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    Trump indictment #4: 2020 election RICO conspiracy [Fulton county GA]

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    Trump's (still impending) fourth indictment is already a farce, and it hasn't even officially happened yet.

    https://twitter.com/ToniWaterman_/st...27685337042948
    to: https://twitter.com/ToniWaterman_/st...43777551790096




    Georgia court website briefly publishes, removes document about potential Trump charges
    https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-sta...nt-2023-08-14/
    Reuters (14 August 2023)

    The Fulton County, Georgia, court's website briefly posted a document on Monday listing several criminal charges against former U.S. President Donald Trump that appeared related to his attempts to overturn his 2020 election defeat in the state, before taking the document down without explanation.

    The Fulton County District Attorney's office said in a statement that no charges had been filed against Trump.

    The document was dated Aug. 14 and named Trump, citing the case as "open," but is no longer available on the court's website. Reuters was not immediately able to determine why the item was posted or removed."The Reuters report that those charges were filed is inaccurate. Beyond that we cannot comment," a spokesperson for the District Attorney's office said.

    A Georgia prosecutor, District Attorney Fani Willis, has been probing whether Trump and his allies illegally sought to overturn the state's 2020 election results and has been expected to seek an indictment from a grand jury this week.

    If Trump is charged in Georgia, it would mark his fourth indictment in less than five months, and the second to arise from his efforts to overturn his loss to Joe Biden's in the 2020 presidential election.

    The Fulton County clerk's office could not immediately be reached for comment on the docket report. Representatives for the county and Trump also could not be immediately reached for comment.

    The two-page document cites the "Violation Of The Georgia Rico (Racketeer Influenced And Corrupt Organizations) Act," "Solicitation Of Violation Of Oath By Public Officer," "Conspiracy To Commit False Statements and Writings" and "Conspiracy To Commit Forgery in the First Degree," among other charges listed.



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    Trump should go to Russia while he can.

    I am serious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    Trump should go to Russia while he can.

    I am serious.
    I agree.

    If he goes to the GULAG here, they will Epstein him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    Trump should go to Russia while he can.

    I am serious.
    The sheer farcicalness of it would simultaneously call for, and prevent, WW III
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    Am I understanding this properly?

    The DA's office posted a list of indictments before the grand jury ruled?
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    Does anyone still think Trump is going to be found not guilty in all these cases and be a viable candidate? It's time for him to step aside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Does anyone still think Trump is going to be found not guilty in all these cases and be a viable candidate? It's time for him to step aside.
    How would stepping aside benefit Trump as an individual?

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    Ah they'll clean it up. It may be sloppy, but it's a solid blue district. They wouldn't have dared tried him anywhere else in Georgia. Kinda like how the rest of NY watched with disgust while some pissant DA in NYC made a mockery of things. That's about as much respect as we give Fulton County.
    Last edited by nobody's_hero; 08-14-2023 at 02:23 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Am I understanding this properly?

    The DA's office posted a list of indictments before the grand jury ruled?
    yes
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    [snip]
    They are quick to ignore the scandal with Hunter Biden..

    Potential Biden primary challenger suggests president’s image is corrupted by probe of son Hunter
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 08-14-2023 at 03:28 PM. Reason: snipped quote

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Am I understanding this properly?

    The DA's office posted a list of indictments before the grand jury ruled?
    Yes. You are understanding this properly. That is exactly what happened.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Yes. You are understanding this properly. That is exactly what happened.

    Or someone on Trump's team got hold of it, and released it early to control the news cycle. Trump has done this frequently. Bill Clinton did it all the time and was known for it.

    Be that as it may, the release of Trump got illegal access to the election computers - with permission! - in a different county?! looks like an attempt to influence the grand jury illegally too. Presumably by the prosecutor - but maybe not! See next post.

    I am not of the apparent opinion of a few here - I think both sides are corrupt, and am content to see them take each other down and just watch.

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    Georgia court website posts, removes docket of potential Trump charges in 2020 election probe
    https://nypost.com/2023/08/14/georgi...-probe-report/
    Samuel Chamberlain & Ryan King (14 August 2023)

    Atlanta prosecutors appeared Monday to inadvertently reveal the offenses with which they plan to charge former President Donald Trump in connection with his bid to overturn the 2020 election result in Georgia.

    A two-page docket obtained by Reuters that was briefly posted and then removed from the Fulton County court’s website showed the 77-year-old potentially facing 13 counts — including violation of the Peach State’s anti-racketeering law, conspiracy, false statements and asking a public official to violate their oath of office.

    More than four hours after the docket was posted, the Fulton County Clerk’s office issued a statement warning of a “fictitious document that has been circulated online and reported by various media outlets”.

    “[A]ll members of the media should be reminded that documents that do not bear an official case number, filing date, and the name of the Clerk of Courts, in concert, are not official filings and should not be treated as such,” the statement went on.

    A grand jury convened by Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis met Monday, with an announcement on potential charges against the former president and his allies expected as soon as Tuesday.

    Any counts brought against Trump would have to be voted on by the grand jury.

    “The Fulton County District Attorney’s Office has once again shown that they have no respect for the integrity of the grand jury process,” Trump attorneys Drew Findling and Jennifer Little said in a statement. “This was not a simple administrative mistake. A proposed indictment should only be in the hands of the District Attorney’s Office, yet it somehow made its way to the clerk’s office and was assigned a case number and a judge before the grand jury even deliberated. This is emblematic of the pervasive and glaring constitutional violations which have plagued this case from its very inception.”

    Among the witnesses who testified Monday were two former Democratic state lawmakers who took part in a December 2020 hearing at which Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani claimed widespread election fraud had cost his client re-election.

    “On Dec. 10, 2020, when Rudy Giuliani and the former President’s legal team appeared before the Georgia House of Representatives, I upheld my oath [of office] and told the truth in the face of false testimony about our elections,” one of those former legislators, Bee Nguyen, said in a statement following her testimony.

    “Today, I reaffirmed our allegiance to our State and country — by exercising my patriotic duty as a US citizen and telling the truth under oath.”

    At least two witnesses who were scheduled to testify Tuesday, including former Georgia Lt. Gov. Geoff Duncan, were called in Monday afternoon as the panel appeared to be finishing its work ahead of schedule.

    Earlier Monday, Trump posted on Truth Social that Duncan “shouldn’t” take part in the proceedings, calling him “a nasty disaster” and a “loser.”

    Over the weekend, CNN reported that prosecutors have obtained communications tying Trump’s legal team — including former New York City Mayor Giuliani — to an unlawful Jan. 7, 2021, “breach of election systems in Coffee County.”

    Willis’ nearly two-year-long investigation was triggered by a Jan. 2, 2021, phone call from Trump to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, in which the then-president stressed the need to “find 11,780 votes,” enough to reverse his loss to Joe Biden.

    Trump has vehemently denied wrongdoing.

    An indictment out of Georgia would be the fourth issued against the former president in under five months.

    Trump has also been indicted on four federal counts for alleged 2020 election subversion, 40 federal counts for alleged classified national security document hoarding, and 34 counts out of Manhattan for allegedly falsifying business records to conceal hush-money payments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritOf1776_J4 View Post
    Or someone on Trump's team got hold of it, and released it early to control the news cycle. Trump has done this frequently. Bill Clinton did it all the time and was known for it.

    Be that as it may, the release of Trump got illegal access to the election computers - with permission! - in a different county?! looks like an attempt to influence the grand jury illegally too. Presumably by the prosecutor - but maybe not! See next post.

    I am not of the apparent opinion of a few here - I think both sides are corrupt, and am content to see them take each other down and just watch.
    See http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-New-York-Post for Trump doing it too.

    So far promising to be a very dirty fought case all round (if Trump didn't also release the leaks - we'll see what happens).

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Does anyone still think Trump is going to be found not guilty in all these cases and be a viable candidate? It's time for him to step aside.
    Is that your best strategy for fighting dictatorial regimes?
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    https://twitter.com/Malcolm_fleX48/s...70223037018112
    INDICTMENT WATCH?

    The Fulton County District Attorney’s office has sparked a controversy by posting and then removing a docket on their website that indicated they would be charging former President Donald Trump under their RICO law. The docket, which was posted on Monday morning and deleted by Monday afternoon, listed several charges against Trump, including conspiracy, false statements, and other crimes related to his efforts to overturn the 2020 election results in Georgia. The DA’s office claimed that the docket was posted by mistake and that the investigation is still ongoing.

    CREDIBILITY CONCERNS OVER DISAPPEARING DOCKET & WILLIS' PAST

    The docket’s appearance and disappearance raised questions about the credibility and impartiality of the DA’s office, which is led by Fani Willis, a Democrat who took office in January. Willis has been vocal about her intention to pursue Trump for his alleged role in pressuring Georgia officials to change the election outcome in his favor. She has also been criticized for her frequent use of RICO, a law originally intended to combat organized crime, not political adversaries. Willis has used RICO to prosecute several cases involving public officials, whistleblowers, witnesses, and defendants who have challenged her authority or accused her of misconduct.

    (She used the law against Paul Howard her former boss and Predecessor in Fulton)
    (She also used the law against Vernon Jones, a former state rep and political opponent in her 2020 Dem Primary Election as State Rep.)

    Trump’s supporters have denounced the docket as a political stunt and a witch hunt, while his critics have welcomed it as a sign of accountability and justice. Trump himself has dismissed the charges as baseless and politically motivated, and has maintained that he won the election in Georgia and other states that were certified for Joe Biden. He has also accused Willis and other prosecutors of being part of a deep state conspiracy to destroy him and his movement.

    JUROR INFLUENCING?

    The docket’s posting and removal have also raised concerns about the integrity and transparency of the grand jury process, which is supposed to be secret and independent. The grand jury, which consists of 23 citizens randomly selected from Fulton County, is responsible for deciding whether there is enough evidence to indict Trump or not. The grand jury’s proceedings are confidential and not subject to public scrutiny or interference. However, the docket’s leak suggests that someone inside or outside the DA’s office may have violated the grand jury’s secrecy or tried to influence its decision.

    THE CALL

    Many people in the media have been alleging that Trump Pressured Raffensperger to "Find 11,000" votes. As such they're using this to claim a criminal case in trying to influence and intimidate electors.

    When looking at the transcript however, it seems there may have been contextual dissertations. The transcript shows that Trump repeatedly cited specific instances of alleged fraud, irregularities, errors, and violations of Georgia law that occurred during the election and the subsequent recounts. He also referred to affidavits, witnesses, experts, and reports that corroborated his claims. He asked Raffensperger and his team to verify and investigate these issues, and to correct any mistakes or discrepancies that may have affected the outcome of the election.

    He also expressed his frustration and disappointment with the lack of cooperation and transparency from Raffensperger’s office, which he accused of ignoring or dismissing his complaints without proper examination. Trump did not demand or order Raffensperger to “find” votes out of thin air or to fabricate votes in his favor. He used the word “find” in the context of asking Raffensperger to locate and count the legal votes that he believed were missing, discarded, or switched due to human or machine errors. He also used the word “recalculate” in the context of asking Raffensperger to adjust the vote tally based on the evidence and arguments that he presented. He did not ask Raffensperger to do anything illegal or unethical, but rather to do his job as the secretary of state and to ensure that the election was conducted in accordance with Georgia law and the US Constitution. Furthermore, the claim that Trump pressured Raffensperger is contradicted by the fact that Raffensperger himself INVITED Trump’s team to access and examine the voting systems in Coffee County, Georgia, where a local elections official had raised serious questions about the reliability and security of Dominion voting machines.

    On January 1, 2021, a day before the phone call, Misty Hampton, a former Coffee County elections official who had refused to certify Biden’s win in the county due to her concerns about Dominion machines, sent a “written invitation” to attorneys working for Trump, according to text messages obtained by CNN.

    The text messages also show that Trump’s lawyers were excited about this opportunity and thanked Hampton for her cooperation. The invitation from Hampton was not an isolated incident. It was part of a broader effort by Trump’s team to gain access to voting systems in several key states where they suspected fraud or irregularities had occurred. They were not trying to hack or tamper with the machines, but rather to inspect and audit them for any evidence of malfunctions or manipulations. They were also following up on reports and testimonies from whistleblowers, witnesses, experts, and officials who had exposed various problems with Dominion machines, such as switching votes from Trump to Biden, producing inaccurate results, or being vulnerable to hacking or foreign interference.

    WHERE TO FROM HERE?

    This entire saga has added more fuel to the fire of the ongoing political and legal battle over the 2020 election results, which have been contested by Trump and his allies in several states and courts. The election results have also been challenged by allegations of irregularities, errors, and fraud, which have been dismissed by election officials, judges, and experts as unfounded or insignificant. The election dispute has divided the nation and eroded public trust in the democratic institutions and processes. Whether you believe the election was stolen or not, the actions being taken right now are a net negative as a lack of trust and faith in the system indicate a coming collapse.

    The Fulton County DA’s office has not commented further on the docket or the investigation, citing the ongoing nature of the case. It is unclear when the grand jury will conclude its deliberations or whether it will indict Trump or not. If Trump is indicted, he will face a trial in Fulton County Superior Court, where he could face up to 20 years in prison if convicted. However, Trump could also challenge the indictment on legal or constitutional grounds, or seek a change of venue or a dismissal of the case.



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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Does anyone still think Trump is going to be found not guilty in all these cases and be a viable candidate? It's time for him to step aside.
    LOL.

    I intend to vote for the guy even if he's in Russian exile with Ed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    The sheer farcicalness of it would simultaneously call for, and prevent, WW III
    He can step in when Putin retires.

    It would be freaking awesome.

    Russia is incredible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiritOf1776_J4 View Post
    I am not of the apparent opinion of a few here - I think both sides are corrupt, and am content to see them take each other down and just watch.
    I think what's more likely to happen is that the democrats consolidate the establishment's power by getting rid of Trump, and someone like Pence or Chris Christie will get in and we'll lose about 15 years of progress in trying to put the neocons on the backfoot.

    I can't really see that as a gain, and I would not be content with that, personally.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
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  23. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    LOL.

    I intend to vote for the guy even if he's in Russian exile with Ed.
    Pretty much this.

  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Does anyone still think Trump is going to be found not guilty in all these cases and be a viable candidate? It's time for him to step aside.
    Trump won't step aside until he completes his mission of destroying the GOP and making them unelectable from here on out. It's the whole reason why the Democrats told him to infiltrate the GOP in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Trump won't step aside until he completes his mission of destroying the GOP and making them unelectable from here on out. It's the whole reason why the Democrats told him to infiltrate the GOP in the first place.
    That would have happened if Jeb! had won in 2016.

    If you really wanted to go back to making republicans "electable" you'd have to go all the way back to 2007 and convince Ron Paul not to run, because he started the disunity. (thank God)
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
    T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm
    I part ways with "libertarianism" when it transitions from ideology grounded in logic into self-defeating autism for the sake of ideological purity.

  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Trump won't step aside until he completes his mission of destroying the GOP and making them unelectable from here on out. It's the whole reason why the Democrats told him to infiltrate the GOP in the first place.
    It's also the real reason I think for J6. He didn't expect the States legislatures to change anything, I didn't either. He didn't expect Pence to do anything like Trump said, Trump already knew he wouldn't and Pence is a straight arrow.

    Trump did it so he could get as many Republicans as possible to support it in a vote and then get them all removed in the most embarrassing mess possible. And some of them were going to vote for it. And Trump controlled all those federal agents infiltrating the crowd. He was the executive.

    Mike Pence, Thomas Massie and Rand Paul were right not to go along with it -
    it was a setup to damage conservatives by Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Is that your best strategy for fighting dictatorial regimes?
    Dislike for Trump doesn't equal support for Biden. They are equally awful and both head mafia style crime families in my opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    LOL.

    I intend to vote for the guy even if he's in Russian exile with Ed.
    Seems like another throwaway vote. I'm guilty of that too in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    I think what's more likely to happen is that the democrats consolidate the establishment's power by getting rid of Trump, and someone like Pence or Chris Christie will get in and we'll lose about 15 years of progress in trying to put the neocons on the backfoot.

    I can't really see that as a gain, and I would not be content with that, personally.
    Christie and Pence don't have the support to ever be the nominee.



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  29. #25
    10 more indictments for Trump and co. He is not electable, it's time for all this to end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Dislike for Trump doesn't equal support for Biden. They are equally awful and both head mafia style crime families in my opinion.
    How are they equal if Trump has the full force of the DOJ and intel agencies fighting against him while they are protecting Biden?

    Trump earned his money in the market, Biden got all his from foreign bribes.

    Doesn't sound equal to me, at all...
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  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    10 more indictments for Trump and co. He is not electable, it's time for all this to end.
    More like time to begin.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Christie and Pence don't have the support to ever be the nominee.
    Nothing a few hundred thousand democrat primary crossovers can't fix. Especially when you consider how many disgusted MAGA voters will probably stay home if Trump is stripped of ballot access. ("Yay we saved democracy!" lol)

    You don't think Christie and Pence have a purpose to the left? MSNBC interviews Christie every chance they get. And their audience cheers that fat-ass warmonger (strange world it is these days). I'd be a bit worried for DeSantis if I were you, because they definitely won't be crossing over to vote for him given the media coverage he's been getting on the MSN homepage.

    Or do you still think they're just gonna give up after Trump is out of the picture?
    Last edited by nobody's_hero; 08-14-2023 at 08:24 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
    T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men

    "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato

    We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me

    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm
    I part ways with "libertarianism" when it transitions from ideology grounded in logic into self-defeating autism for the sake of ideological purity.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    How are they equal if Trump has the full force of the DOJ and intel agencies fighting against him while they are protecting Biden?

    Trump earned his money in the market, Biden got all his from foreign bribes.

    Doesn't sound equal to me, at all...
    First off Trump inherited all his money from his daddy. Second off his businesses performed so poorly he would had a better return just investing his inheritance in an S&P 500 fund.

    They threw out Hunter's plea deal and appointed a special prosecutor. The Biden crime family will get what is coming eventually. They won't be in power forever. Same as Trump isn't now and isn't protected.



    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    More like time to begin.
    Begin what? Getting more useful idiots thrown in prison? More old men killed by the FBI? People who follow trumpism have a bad habit of ending up in jail or dead.

    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    Nothing a few hundred thousand democrat primary crossovers can't fix. Especially when you consider how many disgusted MAGA voters will probably stay home if Trump is stripped of ballot access. ("Yay we saved democracy!" lol)

    You don't think Christie and Pence have a purpose to the left? MSNBC interviews Christie every chance they get. And their audience cheers that fat-ass warmonger (strange world it is these days). I'd be a bit worried for DeSantis if I were you, because they definitely won't be crossing over to vote for him given the media coverage he's been getting on the MSN homepage.

    Or do you still think they're just gonna give up after Trump is out of the picture?
    The recent polls show that half of those who currently poll for Trump would not support him if he has a conviction. Which is a certainty at this point if he doesn't die first. The guy is old, overweight and has to be under immense stress.

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Is that your best strategy for fighting dictatorial regimes?
    Supporting an obvious Democratic operative and grifter like Trump isn't exactly a good strategy either.
    Last edited by Anti Globalist; 08-14-2023 at 09:02 PM.
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