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    Maui is burning

    Maui Mayor Richard Bissen’s office said tonight that the confirmed death toll from the windswept wildfires that devastated Lahaina and other Valley Isle communities Tuesday has risen to 36.

    Earlier today, they said six deaths had been confirmed.

    Officials fear the death toll and injuries will rise. In addition to the 36 confirmed deaths, officials say at least 30 were wounded by the fires which forced some residents to jump into Lahaina Harbor to escape flames.

    The firestorm is also estimated to have destroyed or damaged at least 271 structures on the Valley Isle.

    Maui County officials provided no additional information on the deaths.

    Also tonight, the Federal Emergency Management Agency approved the state’s request for a disaster declaration to provide assistance with the wind-whipped wildfires burning in Kula, Kihei and LahainaThe decision under the Fire Management Assistance Grant program opens the door to allow for federal reimbursement of up to 75% of the eligible firefighting costs, state officials said.

    Meanwhile, about 11,000 Hawaii visitors have been flown from Maui as local leaders try to focus efforts on assisting Maui residents.

    That was one of the updates at a news conference at the Hawaii Convention Center this evening held by Lt. Gov. Sylvia Luke, U.S. Sen. Mazie Hirono and other local leaders involved in the response to the Maui and Hawaii island fires.

    State Department of Transportation Director Ed Sniffen said that airlines have helped accommodate Maui travelers to get them off the island.

    Another 600 people are expected to spend tonight at the Kahului airport, he said.

    While the convention center has been set up to accommodate visitors who need help figuring out where to stay or how to get home, it’s been mostly empty as visitors have been able to find a place to stay on their own.

    “The hotels that had occupancy this morning, most of them don’t have that occupancy. That tells us that people are going straight from the airport and finding their accommodations and transportation,” James Tokioka, director of the Department of Business, Economic Development and Tourism, said at the news conference.

    Sniffen noted that Hawaiian Airlines is operating until 2 a.m. Thursday and Southwest Airlines has dropped its fares to help in the effort.

    In the meantime, Luke said the state is still in the “assessment stage,” so the extent of the damage is still not clear, but she said that recovery will take a long time.

    Luke said that the state is applying for several types of federal aid to support affected residents and businesses as well as for rebuilding destroyed infrastructure.

    Maj. Gen. Kenneth Hara of the Hawaii Emergency Management Agency didn’t have an updated figure for the number of fatalities from the fires, deferring to the counties to provide those and similar numbers, but said Mayor Bissen plans on updating figures Thursday morning.

    Regarding the cause of the fire, he mentioned that the high winds across the state, in part caused by Hurricane Dora passing to the south, took him by surprise.

    “That wind speed, how rapidly that fire moved, that was not anticipated,” he said.

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    "wildfires" or something else?


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    Carol has live chats every 7pm est with daily news on this stuff
    the above video is in depth Maui fires Aug 10th.

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    Clearly the global elites have access to a thermonuclear weapon that is responsible for the fires that happened in Maui.
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    probably Russia
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    plenty more images from previous "wildfires" on CONUS.

    lots of standing green trees and flattened homes.

    this is what smart meters can do.

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=united+sta...ages&ia=images

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    probably Russia
    Doubtful..
    Last edited by AngryCanadian; 08-13-2023 at 07:27 PM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    plenty more images from previous "wildfires" on CONUS.

    lots of standing green trees and flattened homes.

    this is what smart meters can do.

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=united+sta...ages&ia=images
    How do smart meters do that?
    No - No - No - No
    2016

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    Oh, maybe an employee microwaved some tinfoil by accident while heating up pizza in the break room
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    Jewish space lasers

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Jewish space lasers
    You know that was a leftist concoction hoax, right?
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
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    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    You know that was a leftist concoction hoax, right?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    You know that was a leftist concoction hoax, right?
    Sure it was...

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    I don't get it. When I was on Maui, it was a lush tropical garden island with waterfalls all over it.

    Yes, the windward side of the island is dryer than the leeward side but not so much as to be a fire hazard.

    I stayed at a hotel on the east side (cheaper) and rented a car so I could go over to where it wasn't raining on the windward (west) side and spend some time on the beach.



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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Sure it was...
    The post is right above yours, you can read it for yourself. TheCount was nice enough to post the debunking. Nowhere does it refer to "Jewish space lasers".

    It's sad that some people on the right continue to spew bull$#@! leftist propaganda.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Trees survive fires that burn right up to their trunks all the time. There's a hell of a lot of moisture in a living tree that must be boiled out before it will burn. Anyone who has ever tried to start a fire at camp or in a fireplace has that much sense.

    Doesn't mean one or more of these fires was or wasn't arson. It just means either way, some happy futuristic technology wasn't necessary.

    Maui sure looks like arson to me, because fires rarely get hot enough there to dry trees out that that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Trees survive fires that burn right up to their trunks all the time. There's a hell of a lot of moisture in a living tree that must be boiled out before it will burn. Anyone who has ever tried to start a fire at camp or in a fireplace has that much sense.

    Doesn't mean one or more of these fires was or wasn't arson. It just means either way, some happy futuristic technology wasn't necessary.

    Maui sure looks like arson to me, because fires rarely get hot enough there to dry trees out that that way.
    These fires in Greece were Arson as the Greek government already arrested a few for starting fires.


    Greece arrests man suspected of starting wildfire, thousands evacuated near Athens

    Most fires in Greece were started ‘by human hand’, government says

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    The post is right above yours, you can read it for yourself. TheCount was nice enough to post the debunking. Nowhere does it refer to "Jewish space lasers".

    It's sad that some people on the right continue to spew bull$#@! leftist propaganda.
    You mean the FB post where the crazy lady states it was space lasers?

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    FEBRUARY 04, 2021
    Smart Meters Coming to All Islands in Hawai`i!

    RFK Jr's website (he is anti-smart meters)
    https://hi.childrenshealthdefense.or...nds-in-hawaii/



    Ginny, in comments:
    "I read that many places have been converted to smart meters, including the boat slips."

    https://mustreadalaska.com/what-went...-preparedness/

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    Maui wildfire survivor tells of 'dead bodies floating in the water'

    https://news.yahoo.com/maui-wildfire...170521429.html

    ELECTRIC SHOCK IN WATER.

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    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    Maui wildfire survivor tells of 'dead bodies floating in the water'

    https://news.yahoo.com/maui-wildfire...170521429.html

    ELECTRIC SHOCK IN WATER.
    Lightning?
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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    As expected, FEMA is keeping food and supplies from being distributed to the people still trapped there.

    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    https://twitter.com/TaraBull808/stat...64258716016641


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    Huge tourist attraction that has profited for many years. Let private industry rebuild it.

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    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Either one of them?

    https://twitter.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/...63114292334592


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    Thanks to Government, Maui's Lahaina Fire Became a Deadly Conflagration\
    https://mises.org/wire/thanks-govern...-conflagration
    Connor O'Keeffe (16 August 2023)

    The most destructive natural disasters are never 100 percent natural. Human choices, land use, and government policies play a big role in how harmful hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, flash floods, and wildfires are to the affected communities.

    And after catastrophes like the wildfire that destroyed much of the historic Hawaiian city of Lahaina last week, it’s worth taking stock of how much of the disaster was the result not of natural or accidental factors, but of policies and institutions that can be changed.

    Though details are still emerging, it’s becoming clear that government failure did much to make this disaster worse—and possibly even started it. While the so-called experts are blaming climate change—and in the process demanding that government grab even more power and authority ostensibly to someday give us better weather—the destructiveness this fire was the product of an all-powerful and all-incompetent régime.

    The specific origins of the fire are still being investigated, but there is much we already know. The city of Lahaina sits on the west coast of Maui, Hawaii’s second-largest island. It is surrounded by grassland, much of which the state owns.

    Nearly a decade ago the Hawaii Wildfire Management Organization, a research nonprofit, warned the Hawaiian government that the area around Lahaina was extremely fire-prone due to frequent downslope winds, steep terrain, and dry grass. Little was done to address these risks. A subsequent report in 2020 added that an invasive species of exceptionally flammable grass was prevalent in the surrounding fields and that passing hurricanes created strong winds known to fuel wildfires on the islands.

    Early last week, Hurricane Dora crossed the ocean south of Hawaii. By early Tuesday morning, August 8, winds as fast as sixty miles per hour were blowing down the slopes of the West Maui Mountains into Lahaina. Around sunrise, a large fault was detected in the power grid, indicating a downed power line. Twenty minutes later, the first reports of fire came in from the area around Lahainaluna Road, uphill and upwind from the city.

    The area where flames were first spotted is full of electrical infrastructure, mostly operated by Hawaiian Electric, the state’s monopoly electricity supplier. This included a substation and a multitude of power lines. Most of the land in the area is owned by the State of Hawaii except for a parcel belonging to the estate of one of Hawaii’s last princesses. This parcel housed a solar farm supplying electricity to the Hawaiian Electric substation. Early last year, NPR published a glowing article about the solar project, praising it the direct result of government regulation crafted to help transition Hawaii to 100 percent renewable power by 2045.

    But on the morning of August 8, as winds hammered the old wooden utility poles, this highly electrified area in the dry grasses above Lahaina was quickly becoming dangerous. Yet no formal procedure was in place to shut off sections of the grid in the face of severe fire risks. As a result, twenty-nine fully energized poles fell across West Maui that day.

    But even with downed poles in the way, the first firefighters on the scene met with some early success. Around 9 a.m., the county fire department declared the fire “100 percent contained.” But the message to residents included an ominous request. The county’s water pumps were powered by electricity, much of which was frantically being turned off to deactivate the downed lines. Officials asked the public to conserve water to preserve water pressure.

    But by midafternoon, a flare-up brought the fire back to life on the Lahaina Bypass, a major road that heads straight into town. The flames moved swiftly into Lahaina at 4:46 p.m., one minute after the county government finally sent out an alert to warn the city’s population, largely without power, about the flare-up that had occurred over an hour before.

    To make matters worse, county officials failed to activate emergency sirens, leaving residents unaware of the danger bearing down on them. And as firefighters heroically rushed toward the flames to try and save their community, they found that there was little to no water pressure in the fire hydrants, which quickly ran dry.

    With a single backed-up highway leading out of the city, many residents of Lahaina had nowhere to go. Some scrambled into the ocean to escape the smoke and flames. But in the end, many couldn’t get out. At least ninety-nine people have been confirmed dead at this writing, making this the deadliest American wildfire in over a century. In addition, 2,207 buildings were destroyed, with property damages expected to reach $5.5 billion.

    To review, a power company shielded from competition by the state placed electrical infrastructure among highly flammable state-owned grass fields above the historic city of Lahaina, which the government was twice warned were highly susceptible to fire. And once a fire broke out, a combination of defective water infrastructure, terrible communication by government officials, and only one escape route doomed the people of Lahaina to the worst wildfire experienced in this country in over a hundred years.

    This was government failure through and through. In Human Action, Ludwig von Mises explains that on the market, the ultimate source of profits is foresight—the ability to anticipate future conditions. And economic loss occurs when market actors fail to anticipate the future. This possibility of riches if one succeeds, and the guarantee of painful failures if one doesn’t, forces producers and service providers on the market to constantly weigh risks and opportunities.

    Government immunizes itself from the profit and loss system, and therefore from much of the need to weigh risk. Sure, some county officials may resign because of this. And the share price of Hawaiian Electric may dip. But the people of Maui will be forced to keep compensating the very organizations that have failed them. And there’s nothing natural about that disaster.



    Thanks to Government, Maui's Lahaina Fire Became a Deadly Conflagration by Connor O'Keeffe is licensed under CC-BY-NC-ND 4.0

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