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  1. #811
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    TLDR:
    While I am glad to see some of the positives that Javier is accomplishing, I am extremely weary of any person "in power". World Economic Forum, NATO, Israel, the failing American dollar, etc...

    I will wait to form my own opinion/conclusion. Though I might [or might not] be wrong, there is a strong potential that when all is said and done, it can/will lead to 3rd Positionist or other flavor of Fascism.


    Btw, Gary Barnett, so far, is solid.
    Last edited by PAF; 04-27-2024 at 12:56 PM.
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  3. #812
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    While I am glad to see some of the positives that Javier is accomplishing, I am extremely weary of any person "in power". World Economic Forum, NATO, Israel, the failing American dollar, etc...

    I will wait to form my own opinion/conclusion. Though I might [or might not] be wrong, there is a strong potential that when all is said and done, it can/will lead to 3rd Positionist or other flavor of Fascism.


    Btw, Gary Barnett, so far, is solid.
    @Occam's Banana , I should have posed the question in the above post; I am curious to your opinions on Posts #808 and #811.
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  4. #813
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    @Occam's Banana , I should have posed the question in the above post; I am curious to your opinions on Posts #808 and #811.
    As far as #808:

    The article comes across as so much off-puttingly tedious, bombastic, and adjective-laden "libertarian 'macho-flashing'" (à la "why, I am so much more correctly 'libertarian' than all these other pathetic, Milei-cheering bozos who don't really understand what libertarianism is, the way I do."). Then, after wading through all that and getting to the actual criticisms of Milei, they turn out to be nothing that hasn't already been noted and addressed more succinctly and substantively elsewhere (including in this very thread).

    For example, the author asserts that "Argentina [is] one of the most pro-Zionist supporting countries" because of Milei's Judaism and pro-Israel remarks. Now I happen to think that sending billions of dollars and billions-worth of weapons to Israel (which the US has done, but Argentina has not) would make a country and it's leader far, far more "pro-Zionist" in any significant way than mere verbal remarks and/or religious preference - but maybe that's just me *shrug*. As far as I'm concerned, Milei can have whatever opinions he wants about Israel, Palestine, etc. I simply don't care. (In fact, if I never hear another thing about Israel or Palestine ever again, it will be much too soon.)

    For another example, there's the fact that so many non-libertarians hold positions in Milei's government. This is also no new news. As has been pointed out (also in this very thread), it was never going to be otherwise. Milei had to coalition with others in order to win, and his coalition partners were always going to get their quid for that quo. I don't like it one damn bit, but that's the way politics works (insofar as it can be said to "work" at all). See the quote-graphic and the embedded tweet video in the following post from earlier in this thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    https://twitter.com/Milei_Explains/s...39746509398187
    One can reject that approach (and thus reject all participation in and engagement with state politics) if one likes, and that's fine by me - but that Milei and others do not reject it does not make Milei a "wolf in sheep's clothing". At worst (and assuming arguendo the truth of the "rejection" premise), it just makes him a counterproductively misguided and time-wasting wheel-spinner.

    Much the same kind of considerations applies to the rest of the article, so I won't bother with it. I'll just add that I think the author is completely wrong about how Murray Rothbard would react to the situation ("Murray Rothbard would roll in his grave [...]"). Rothbard would be absolutely delighted and enormously heartened by the spectacle of a head of state platforming and publicizing "anarcho-capitalism" as Milei has done, quite regardless of how far short of that ideal Milei might be able to get. Rothbard would criticize what was worthy of being criticized, but he would also love and deeply relish being given the opportunity to do so within the admittedly oxymoronic context of an "anarcho-capitialist head of state". He would exploit and take full advantage of the opportunity to promote the good (as well as criticize the bad) - rather than merely indulge in the smug, self-righteous sneering exhibited in that article.

    IOW & IMO: If Milei is a "wolf in sheep's clothing", then give us more of those, please!


    As for #811:

    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    While I am glad to see some of the positives that Javier is accomplishing, I am extremely weary of any person "in power" [...] there is a strong potential that when all is said and done, it can/will lead to 3rd Positionist or other flavor of Fascism.
    That is always and everywhere the case, no matter what. It is (or should be) an ever-present default.

    But criticizing Milei as being somehow especially perfidious (e,g., a "wolf in sheep's clothing") in this regard is not fair game.

    As compared to whom? What's the differential / "delta"?

    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    World Economic Forum,
    There is/was nothing objectionable about this.

    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    NATO,
    The NATO thing is what he deserves the most/worst criticism for.

    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Israel,
    I don't give a damn about this (see my remarks earlier in this post).

    But if he ever actually does something (other than talk or the like), then I might change my mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    the failing American dollar, etc...
    Again, what's the differential for this? Keeping the (already) failed Argentinian peso?

    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Btw, Gary Barnett, so far, is solid.
    He spent the first four paragraphs of his article ranting about people who like (and disagree with him about) MIlei, and framing them as vile and stupid "posers" (among many other insults). Apparently, there is no place in his "libertarian" cosmology for mistaken but good-faith interlocution.

    To hell with him.
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 04-28-2024 at 09:46 AM.

  5. #814
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    As far as #808:

    The article comes across as so much off-puttingly tedious, bombastic, and adjective-laden "libertarian 'macho-flashing'" (à la "why, I am so much more correctly 'libertarian' than all these other pathetic, Milei-cheering bozos who don't really understand what libertarianism is, the way I do."). Then, after wading through all that and getting to the actual criticisms of Milei, they turn out to be nothing that hasn't already been noted and addressed more succinctly and substantively elsewhere (including in this very thread).

    For example, the author asserts that "Argentina [is] one of the most pro-Zionist supporting countries" because of Milei's Judaism and pro-Israel remarks. Now I happen to think that sending billions of dollars and billions-worth of weapons to Israel (which the US has done, but Argentina has not) would make a country and it's leader far, far more "pro-Zionist" in any significant way than mere verbal remarks and/or religious preference - but maybe that's just me *shrug*. As far as I'm concerned, Milei can have whatever opinions he wants about Israel, Palestine, etc. I simply don't care. (In fact, if I never hear another thing about Israel or Palestine ever again, it will be much too soon.)

    For another example, there's the fact that so many non-libertarians hold positions in Milei's government. This is also no new news. As has been pointed out (also in this very thread), it was never going to be otherwise. Milei had to coalition with others in order to win, and his coalition partners were always going to get their quid for that quo. I don't like it one damn bit, but that's the way politics works (insofar as it can be said to "work" at all). See the quote-graphic and the embedded tweet video in the following post from earlier in this thread:



    One can reject that approach (and thus reject all participation in and engagement with state politics) if one likes, and that's fine by me - but that Milei and others do not reject it does not make Milei a "wolf in sheep's clothing". At worst (and assuming arguendo the truth of the "rejection" premise), it just makes him a counterproductively misguided and time-wasting wheel-spinner.

    Much the same kind of considerations applies to the rest of the article, so I won't bother with it. I'll just add that I think the author is completely wrong about how Murray Rothbard would react to the situation ("Murray Rothbard would roll in his grave [...]"). Rothbard would be absolutely delighted and enormously heartened by the spectacle of a head of state platforming and publicizing "anarcho-capitalism" as Milei has done, quite regardless of how far short of that ideal Milei might be able to get. Rothbard would criticize what was worthy of being criticized, but he would also love and deeply relish being given the opportunity to do so within the admittedly oxymoronic context of an "anarcho-capitialist head of state". He would exploit and take full advantage of the opportunity to promote the good (as well as criticize the bad) - rather than merely indulge in the smug, self-righteous sneering exhibited in that article.

    IOW & IMO: If Milei is a "wolf in sheep's clothing", then give us more of those, please!


    As for #811:



    That is always and everywhere the case, no matter what. It is (or should be) an ever-present default.

    But criticizing Milei as being somehow especially perfidious (e,g., a "wolf in sheep's clothing") in this regard is not fair game.


    As compared to whom? What's the differential / "delta"?



    There is/was nothing objectionable about this.



    The NATO thing is what he deserves the most/worst criticism for.



    I don't give a damn about this (see my remarks earlier in this post).

    But if he ever actually does something (other than talk or the like), then I might change my mind.



    Again, what's the differential for this? Keeping the (already) failed Argentinian peso?



    He spent the first four paragraphs of his article ranting about people who like (and disagree with him about) MIlei, and framing them as vile and stupid "posers" (among many other insults). Apparently, there is no place in his "libertarian" cosmology for mistaken but good-faith interlocution.

    To hell with him.

    I appreciate the response. You have summed up what I initially thought, and I agree with most of it, up until the last 4 words (I gave you a little time to edit it ;-) ): "To hell with him.".

    Referencing the bolded in your response, this is politics, and everything is fair game. If for nothing else, to keep/hold them accountable, and so as not to lead others slowly astray.
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  6. #815
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I appreciate the response. You have summed up what I initially thought, and I agree with most of it, up until the last 4 words (I gave you a little time to edit it ;-) ): "To hell with him.".

    Referencing the bolded in your response, this is politics, and everything is fair game. If for nothing else, to keep/hold them accountable, and so as not to lead others slowly astray.
    Yes, everything is fair game when your goal is destruction of anyone who might make some progress in the right direction.
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  7. #816
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Yes, everything is fair game when your goal is destruction of anyone who might make some progress in the right direction.

    I've lived plenty long enough to know "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me". I like the guy so far, but rest assured, I will keep my eye on him for reasons stated previously.

    He is a lot different than Trump (D), though, isn't he? Trump utilizes and creates federal agencies, Javier talks about them publicly and is actually getting rid of them ;-)
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  10. #818
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    [...] I'll just add that I think the author is completely wrong about how Murray Rothbard would react to the situation ("Murray Rothbard would roll in his grave [...]"). Rothbard would be absolutely delighted and enormously heartened by the spectacle of a head of state platforming and publicizing "anarcho-capitalism" as Milei has done, quite regardless of how far short of that ideal Milei might be able to get. Rothbard would criticize what was worthy of being criticized, but he would also love and deeply relish being given the opportunity to do so within the admittedly oxymoronic context of an "anarcho-capitialist head of state". He would exploit and take full advantage of the opportunity to promote the good (as well as criticize the bad) - rather than merely indulge in the smug, self-righteous sneering exhibited in that article.
    "Roll in his grave", my ass!

    Rothbard would be massively thrilled with and "pumped up" by all of this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Renato Moicano: Why a Brazilian UFC star is championing a dead Austrian economist
    https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/28/a...tam/index.html
    {David Shortell | 28 April 2024}

    [...]

    From Mises to Milei

    Today, many experts believe the Austrian school may have no greater sway than in Buenos Aires, where President Javier Milei, himself a libertarian economist, retweeted a viral clip of Moicano’s rant.

    After reading Mises for the first time, Milei felt “superlative conceptual clarity,” he recalled in a 2017 interview. “Milei considers Mises to be among the greatest economists in history,” said Daniel Raisbeck, a policy analyst at the libertarian Cato Institute.

    Since taking office in December, the wild-haired leader has pushed for wide deregulation. While many of his proposals have been blocked by the country’s congress, his government achieved fiscal parity this year with a robust and controversial set of cuts, including shutting down the Argentina national press agency and reducing aid to soup kitchens.

    Milei’s elimination of rent controls and price controls could be interpreted as harking back to Mises, Raisbeck said, pointing to the Austrian’s thinking that “freely determined prices provide the vital information without which economic calculation becomes impossible.”

    But the idea has also been espoused by free market economists outside the Austrian school, like Milton Friedman, (after whom one of Milei’s dogs is named), Raisbeck said.

    Instead, Raisbeck said, Mises’s fingerprints might be clearest in Milei’s anti-socialist rhetoric, like his January speech before the World Economic Forum in Davos, where he argued the West had to be wrested back from leaders “co-opted by a vision of the world that inexorably leads to socialism and thereby to poverty.”

    Mises-watchers also see strands of the economist’s thinking in the policies pushed by El Salvador’s President Nayib Bukele, another buzzy right-winger upending the Latin American political scene.
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 04-29-2024 at 09:07 AM.

  11. #819
    THREAD: Mises in Argentina: Lessons of the Past for Today

    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Mises Wire
    Octavio Bermudez
    04/29/2024

    [...]

    Although Argentina is in an economic slump, as it has ceased the “fiesta” (party) of public spending, it has already entered a path of recovery. Inflation is falling at a rapid rate. Yet the recovery needs a few important adjustments, and the Milei administration will have to deliver if the recovery is to be carried out swiftly. The biggest obstacle is foreign exchange control and taxes; it is crucial that Milei gets rid of these two barriers to allow for the free entry of capital and investment. Only that way will real wages increase and win against inflation.

    Capitalism was “the beginning of mass production” as Mises decisively argued. This is true for every country that has to an extent embraced individual free enterprise. Argentina has neglected production for the masses for a long time. Production for the bureaucrats has been the project for many years. With Milei’s government in office, egalitarian political commentators ask, “What about the redistribution of income?” The response should be: What about it? The distribution will be decided by the people in the market and not by you.

    Just as Mises would have wanted, the move toward the free market must be swift and decisive. If statism prevails—even for the short-term—then it will be more difficult to take it back, and what has been done will be here to stay. Going back to the start of the article, Mises’s lectures were for his time and tomorrow. Well, tomorrow has come. If real change is to come, then it must be Mises’s time and—should history have it—the time of liberty.

    https://mises.org/mises-wire/mises-a...ons-past-today

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  13. #821
    From last week:
    Argentina's lower house of Congress gave President Javier Milei a boost on Tuesday by approving his sweeping reform bill ahead of a final Senate vote and backing articles related to privatizing state bodies and labour reform.

    The support, even as voting on the hundreds of individual articles continued, cheered markets that have rallied on hopes that Milei's reforms and tough austerity will help erase a deep fiscal deficit and slash inflation now nearing 300%.

    "The most relevant thing for markets is that the government is managing to negotiate with the opposition," local financial consultancy Adcap said in a note, though it cautioned that the bill still faced a second and final vote in the upper house.

    "Now we need to see if this works in the Senate."
    ...
    While his party only has a minority in Congress, Milei has won support from allies in the lower house after months of negotiations and concessions on the reform package, which was rejected at a previous vote in February.

    "This support will allow Milei to govern," conservative lower house lawmaker Victoria Borrego told Reuters, referring to the president's ability to rally political support.
    ...
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ng/ar-AA1nWhEk

    Milei is making some progress on shoring up support for his policies, but the Senate might still deny him. Governing with a minority is tough work.

  14. #822
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  15. #823
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post

    Milei Is Little More Than a Political Wolf in Sheep's Clothing: Beware the False 'Libertarian'

    By Gary D. Barnett
    April 27, 2024


    “And thus I clothe my naked villainy
    With odd old ends stol’n out of holy writ;
    And seem a saint, when most I play the devil.”
    ~ William Shakespeare, Richard III


    How easy it seems to me that people are so readily deceived, and that extreme gullibility among the masses remains as the primary attitude evident. I do realize that this is not uncommon, but it is amazingly confounding, after thousands of years of continuous lies by the ruling State; absurdity beyond reason to be sure. But still they vote to choose (have selected) a master to lord over them. Will this idiocy never end? Now, there is a new ‘Saint’ in town, and as depicted by weak-minded so-called freedom advocates, he is alluded to as a ‘self-described’ Anarcho-capitalist. This is Javier Milei, the new god of ‘libertarian’ type posers. Murray Rothbard would roll in his grave at such an idiotic pronouncement as this.

    Yet another politician, the lowest form of human possible, is lauded and bowed down to by the fake alternative crowd, who claim to be the freedom society of the peasant class. Those being fooled by these deceitful political imposters have become tiring to say the least, as one after another of these trimmers takes his place at the top of the power pyramid, only to affect his personal and political desires on others, and sees his need for power over the many as his highest purpose. This is always at the expense of his subject class. There are many of these plotting chameleons who reach high positions of power; Trump comes immediately to mind, but in fact, there will always be more to come, as they gleefully follow in the footsteps of their duplicitous predecessors.

    This Milei character is no different, but he has been able to trick the alternative media into a frothing state of undue worship, and has taken center stage by storm, even in the face of complete and total contradiction. First and foremost, he is certainly no Anarcho-capitalist. That term is reserved for true anarchists who abhor government and the State, and capitalists, who in the real sense of the word, believe only in actual free markets; meaning private markets without government or government interference or control. Milei is neither of these things, and in fact is the exact opposite. This can be easily uncovered by merely observing every action he has proposed, mandated, or initiated.

    He made many claims while campaigning for the highest position in government, something no real anarchist could ever carry out, making promise after promise to free the people, and make them prosperous, while claiming he would tear down the very government he was seeking to control. Hypocrisy at this level is saved for the most corrupt among us, as no sane or honest person could pull it off without losing his soul. What that means of course, is that he had no soul to begin with, but was seeking a position that he was at the same time condemning. This is a common practice of politicians, and is double-speak of course, but could only be meant to fool the weak-minded proletariat, and claimed ‘intellectual’ liberty frauds, and never be a sincere objective. The proof is in his actions, and they are oh so telling of lies, corruption, manipulation, and power-seeking.

    Milei took office in December of 2023, with grand plans to overhaul the Argentine government. His first order of business, as proclaimed by Milei during his campaign, would be to shut down completely, and abolish, the central bank, which is Banco Central de la República of Argentina. Did he do so? Of course not, but he did place some of the same past criminal heads in government, at the helm of that evil institution. He immediately appointed the insider Santiago Bausili as Governor and head of the Board of Directors. Bausili had been with J.P. Morgan for 11 years, and Deutsche Bank for 9 years, responsible for international capital markets in Latin America, handling hedging and derivative (unbridled leverage) instruments. Before then, he was Secretary of the Ministry of Finance and the Treasury of Argentina. He was in the middle of the latest downfall and economic destruction of Argentina over many years, but he was the immediate and first choice of Milei to head the central bank. So much for “abolishing” the Fed, and saying that it was a “Patricia Bullrich, and insider who ran in opposition against Melei, and is the president of Propuesta Republicana, (Republican Proposal) which was made up of the ruling coalition during Mauricio Macri’s presidency from 2015 to 2019. He attended the World Economic Forum seeking investment, and held meetings with the likes of Biden, David Cameron, Branson, Eric Schmidt of Google, the Queen of the Netherlands, and other globalists and CEOs. He was a disaster of course. Inflation rates exceeding 40% during his tenure were common, and Bullrich now has the same position with Milei. There are other suspect cabinet members who have been appointed by Milei, including Luis Caputo, but what else is new? His is a cabinet of insiders with close ties to past Argentinian failures.

    But it gets much worse. Milei has tied himself strongly to Israel, and the fanatical and evil murdering Netanyahu, even to the point of converting to Judaism, making Argentina one of the most pro-Zionist supporting countries. This is happening at a time when Israel is committing mass genocide against all Palestinians, and fomenting horrendous regional war that could escalate into world war. As far as I see it, this is a political scam on the part of Milei.

    In the midst of claiming to being ‘libertarian,’ Milei has sold his soul to Israel, has destabilized Argentina’s own currency in favor of a failing U.S. dollar; essentially tying Argentina to the U.S. Federal Reserve Bank run by private and government criminals and manipulators like Larry Fink of the evil Blackrock. This could lead to massive dollarization of Argentina to the detriment of their own money, and could also lead to the outside privatization of Argentina’s economy at the hands of the U.S., Israel, and all their fascist partners. This is an incredibly dangerous situation for Argentina, as satellites are now mapping out large swaths of this country and others in that region, for globalized control of all natural resources.

    When Milei took office, 60% of Argentina’s population was in poverty, and Milei immediately devalued the currency by an additional 50%, leading to a much worse situation for the entire population. In the meantime, Milei has requested to join NATO, to achieve a more intrusive western alliance so as to gain a military guarantee, hoping to get military support at the expense of U.S. citizens and the West.

    At this point, Milei should refer to himself as a self-described dictator, and never an anarcho-capitalist, who has seemingly decided to control Argentina by legislative and non-legislative fiat. He is no ‘libertarian,’ even though so-called modern ‘libertarianism,’ is just another arm of an abusive prevailing governing structure, and he is not and never has been an anarchist at any level. Those who continue to applaud these fascist tyrants, are making a great mistake in judgement, but when Trump is ‘elected,’ (selected) the writing on the wall will be telling, and in lock-step with these same type of policies. Criminal all.

    The fooling of the voting fools will likely never end, as the herds of the peon class will continue to seek rule. This it seems, is the way of the world, and what a sad commentary this is concerning those beings (humans) who are supposed to be the most intelligent life on earth. That is a joke my friends, but not one worthy of laughter.


    “Religion, the dominion of the human mind; Property, the dominion of human needs; and Government, the dominion of human conduct, represent the stronghold of man’s enslavement and all the horrors it entails.” ~ Emma Goldman


    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2024/04/...ertarian-hype/

    A Rothbardian Dissection of Javier Milei – Part I

    A Rothbardian Dissection of Javier Milei – Part II
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    Argentinian President Javier Milei revealed in a recent interview that during his last trip to the U.S., he received a proposal to implement Artificial Intelligence (AI) in the training of young people and in his plan to shrink the State

    Through new technologies, the president seeks to accelerate the process of layoffs that his government has already initiated in the public sector and that, according to presidential spokesman Manuel Adorni, will be "permanent and eternal."

    "For every job in the public sector, at least one job is lost in the private sector. [...] Everything we do to shrink the structure of the State results in a greater number of jobs in the private sector."


    He also assured that during his meeting with El Salvador's President Nayib Bukele, they discussed the implementation of AI in reducing the State:

    "Google has a system set up to reform the State with artificial intelligence. Do you know where it was successfully applied? In El Salvador. Do you think the discussions with Bukele were limited to the seven and a half minutes we allowed to be filmed? Anything related to shrinking the State, I am delighted!"

    https://tgstat.com/channel/@tupireport/17537

    Working with Google to put AI in government is EXTREMELY suspicious.
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  19. #826
    He's an Izraeli Firster.

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  21. #828
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    They prefer this clown?

    https://x.com/madorni/status/1801600016714170870

  22. #829
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Argentinian President Javier Milei revealed in a recent interview that during his last trip to the U.S., he received a proposal to implement Artificial Intelligence (AI) in the training of young people and in his plan to shrink the State

    Through new technologies, the president seeks to accelerate the process of layoffs that his government has already initiated in the public sector and that, according to presidential spokesman Manuel Adorni, will be "permanent and eternal."

    "For every job in the public sector, at least one job is lost in the private sector. [...] Everything we do to shrink the structure of the State results in a greater number of jobs in the private sector."


    He also assured that during his meeting with El Salvador's President Nayib Bukele, they discussed the implementation of AI in reducing the State:

    "Google has a system set up to reform the State with artificial intelligence. Do you know where it was successfully applied? In El Salvador. Do you think the discussions with Bukele were limited to the seven and a half minutes we allowed to be filmed? Anything related to shrinking the State, I am delighted!"

    https://tgstat.com/channel/@tupireport/17537

    Working with Google to put AI in government is EXTREMELY suspicious.

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    Top Firms Warn AI Could Cause Collapse of Social Order

    In a joint statement, Nippon Telegraph and Telephone (NTT) and Yomiuri Shimbun Group Holdings, two of Japan’s leading companies, issued a stern warning regarding the potential dangers of artificial intelligence (AI). The statement, described as an AI manifesto, highlights concerns that unless appropriate legislation is introduced swiftly across the globe, unchecked AI could destroy democracy and cause mass societal upheaval and war.

    Referencing AI technology being developed by Big Tech companies in the U.S., the manifesto warns that “In the worst-case scenario, democracy and social order could collapse, resulting in wars.”


    https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/social-o...s-say-1a71cc1d



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