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    Trump indictment #3: 2020 election & January 6th [US / federal]

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    Today Jack Smith indicts Trump for Jan 6th. Merely questioning election outcomes is now illegal. In 2018 and 2019, Kamela Harris declared voting machines cannot be trusted and to prevent Russia hacking our elections we must use paper ballots. Not to mention the many people that to this day say Hillary Clinton was the rightful winner of the 2016 election. No indictments for them tho...
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 08-14-2023 at 12:51 PM. Reason: added link to index of threads
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 01/15/24
    Trump will win every single state primary by double digits.
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16
    There won't be a contested convention
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.



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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    Today Jack Smith indicts Trump for Jan 6th. Merely questioning election outcomes is now illegal. In 2018 and 2019, Kamela Harris declared voting machines cannot be trusted and to prevent Russia hacking our elections we must use paper ballots. Not to mention the many people that to this day say Hillary Clinton was the rightful winner of the 2016 election. No indictments for them tho...
    You didn't even read the indictment did you? It explicitly states that questioning the outcome IS legal. His actions are what he was indicted for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    You didn't even read the indictment did you? It explicitly states that questioning the outcome IS legal. His actions are what he was indicted for.
    I did read it and its all bull$#@!, crafted by democrats for democrats.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 01/15/24
    Trump will win every single state primary by double digits.
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16
    There won't be a contested convention
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    I did read it and its all bull$#@!, crafted by democrats for democrats.
    Yeah that is about the response I expected. Was it also for the half of Republicans that don't poll for Trump?

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    Trump indicted for J6

    Indictment (PDF file): https://s3.documentcloud.org/documen...indictment.pdf

    https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/...02262733250560
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    "They thought Trump was the river but he was the dam." -- Michael Malice

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    https://twitter.com/michaelmalice/st...87618430312448



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    Ze plot thickens...

    I was pondering this last night: what does Trump have on these people?

    Anybody else would have died from lead poisoning long ago.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

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    Well I'll be dipped...turns out there IS a law against violating the people's rights under the constitution and Bill of Rights.

    But wait, there's more: if a death, attempted murder or sexual assault results, the penalty can be death.

    18 U.S.C § 241, “Conspiracy Against Rights,” includes a penalty of up to 10 years in federal prison. But it adds that if death results from the actions covered under this provision, the offender may be executed:

    If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or

    If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured—

    They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.


    This is Jack Smith's "crown jewel" of charges against Trump.

    My only question is: where has this law been hiding all my life, and why haven't a half a million motherfuckers before Trump been charged with it?

    In the time took to read the law, I thought of twenty, right off the top of my head.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 08-02-2023 at 04:33 AM.
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    https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/sta...92707718377472


    https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/sta...93539918577665


    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Ze plot thickens...

    I was pondering this last night: what does Trump have on these people?

    Anybody else would have died from lead poisoning long ago.
    https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/sta...94451651244032

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    https://twitter.com/i/status/1686521461098389509

    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Well I'll be dipped...turns out there IS a law against violating the people's rights under the constitution and Bill of Rights.

    But wait, there's more: if a death, attempted murder or sexual assault results, the penalty can be death.

    18 U.S.C § 241, “Conspiracy Against Rights,” includes a penalty of up to 10 years in federal prison. But it adds that if death results from the actions covered under this provision, the offender may be executed:

    If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or

    If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured—

    They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.


    This is Jack Smith's "crown jewel" of charges against Trump.

    My only question is: where has this law been hiding all my life, and why haven't a half a million motherfuckers before Trump been charged with it?

    In the time took to read the law, I thought of twenty, right off the top of my head.

    Well, I actually did charge a couple of "public officials" (a Justice of the Peace and a deputy sheriff) with violating that very statute way back in like 1985 in a civil suit. Needless to say the suit was dismissed and no criminal charges were ever pursued. Imagine that.
    Chris

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    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/...18314460192768


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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Well, I actually did charge a couple of "public officials" (a Justice of the Peace and a deputy sheriff) with violating that very statute way back in like 1985 in a civil suit. Needless to say the suit was dismissed and no criminal charges were ever pursued. Imagine that.
    I know, right?
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    ITT: Blue checks screech
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Ze plot thickens...

    I was pondering this last night: what does Trump have on these people?

    Anybody else would have died from lead poisoning long ago.
    He is worth more to them alive. His candidacy ensures a win for Biden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    probably just taking more than 930 days to count them all.
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    I cant imagine them not getting a conviction.

    Is a unanimous jury decision required? There may be 1 holdout but I doubt it.
    "An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.

    "To learn who rules over you simply find out who you arent allowed to criticize."

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    If they do send Trump to prison, think people would protest?
    "An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.

    "To learn who rules over you simply find out who you arent allowed to criticize."

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    Quote Originally Posted by unknown View Post
    If they do send Trump to prison, think people would protest?
    They'll kick up a little fuss...some SWLODs will be sent...but any meaningful "protest", like say, a million armed citizens marching on DC...not on your life.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

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    I'm sorry they conspire against our rights everyday we've a complaining about it on this website for 15 years what the f***
    FLIP THOSE FLAGS, THE NATION IS IN DISTRESS!


    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkr View Post
    I'm sorry they conspire against our rights everyday we've a complaining about it on this website for 15 years what the f***

    And therein lies the true problem. It takes significantly more substantive action than mere bitching and moaning and casting a worthless vote now and again. But that’s about all the self-proclaimed defenders of liberty seem willing to do.

    The saddest part is that the job could be accomplished with significantly less drastic action, and significantly less risk than most imagine if they’d just follow the clearly laid out blueprint that’s been sitting in plain sight now Waiting for them for almost two-and-a-half centuries.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul



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    So Trump wins the election while in prison and then as president, pardons himself.

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    The New Trump Indictment Over 2020 Election. Plus: FBI Gets Caught Again Manufacturing Its Own Crimes | SYSTEM UPDATE #122
    https://rumble.com/v33wcki-system-update-122.html


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    I realize that Trump is controversial, but they will do this and worse to any credible candidates you support in the future. It's pretty obvious what's happening here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unknown View Post
    If they do send Trump to prison, think people would protest?
    Millions of keyboards will be furiously attacked.

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    What a small world. Hunter Biden, Burisma, Ukraine, and now Trump's Judge...

    Judge Chutkan: Hunter Biden associate, appointed by Obama, throwing the book at Jan 6 protesters.


    https://rumble.com/v3400i1-do-you-kn...ctment-wo.html

    Do you know Judge Chutkan who will preside over the new Trump indictment worked with Hunter Biden??
    Tanya Sue Chutkan (born July 5, 1962) is a Jamaican-born American lawyer and jurist serving as a United States district judge of the United States District Court for the District of Columbia. She is the judge overseeing the criminal trial of former U.S. president Donald J. Trump over the events leading up to the January 6, 2021, United States Capitol attack.
    ...
    From 1987 to 1990, Chutkan was in private practice at the law firm Hogan & Hartson (now Hogan Lovells). From 1990 to 1991, she worked at the law firm of Donovan, Leisure, Rogovin, Huge & Schiller. From 1991 to 2002, she was a trial attorney and supervisor at the Public Defender Service for the District of Columbia. In 2002, Chutkan joined the law firm of Boies, Schiller & Flexner, becoming a partner in 2007. Her practice focused on complex civil litigation and specifically antitrust class action cases.[3][4]

    Her husband, Peter A. Krauthamer, served as a judge on the Superior Court of the District of Columbia from 2012 to 2023. They have two sons.
    ...
    In summer 2017, Chutkan presided over the Imran Awan and Hina Alvi fraud case.
    ...
    On April 26, 2019, Chutkan sentenced Maria Butina to 18 months in prison for conspiring to be an unregistered agent of the Russian government in the United States.
    ...
    On November 9, 2021, Chutkan denied former President Donald Trump's plea to keep records from being released to the House Select Committee investigating the attack on the Capitol on January 6, 2021.[33][34] The D.C. Circuit affirmed that decision, and the U.S. Supreme Court declined review.
    ...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanya_S._Chutkan

    In April 2014, Hunter was asked to join the board of Burisma, the largest independent natural gas producer in Ukraine. At the time, Hunter was of counsel with Boies Schiller Flexner LLP [fn 1] (“Boies Schiller”), a major U.S. law firm, and was advising Burisma on its corporate reform initiatives, an important aspect of fueling Burisma’s international growth and diversity. Vibrant energy production, particularly natural gas, was central to Ukraine’s independence and to stemming the tide of Vladimir Putin’s attack on the principles of a democratic Europe.

    To further its goals of independence, Burisma sought to adopt standards and practices traditionally employed by Western companies. At Hunter’s urging, Boies Schiller engaged Nardello & Co., a leading global investigative firm, to assess, among other things, Burisma’s corporate structure and governance practices. Burisma agreed to pay the legal expenses of Boies Schiller to support Hunter in developing corporate reform initiatives.
    ...
    https://medium.com/@george.mesires/a...9-d80bc11087ab
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Ze plot thickens...

    I was pondering this last night: what does Trump have on these people?

    Anybody else would have died from lead poisoning long ago.
    Epstein connection ?
    "I am a bird"

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