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  1. #2731
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    When there is a shooting and the race is unknown....you assume the shooter must be black.
    Most of the time he'd be right.

    And when the shooter is white, they usually disclose that almost immediately. So if the race is not disclosed, that itself is a hint on its own.

    AF didn't make this about race. Everyone else did by demonizing white people and covering up or excusing crimes by black people
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  3. #2732
    Are on-topic posts allowed in this thread?


  4. #2733
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Yes, there is a pattern: of mass shooters, by any metric you care to use, blacks outnumber whites by at least 5 to one or more. I counted up by checking each news item and proved that using your own source: Gun Violence Archive.
    For the places I like to go the mass shooters are usually white. (Schools, colleges, churches).

    Post the thousands and thousands of news stories of white mass shooters shooting up bars, gin mills, strip clubs, and hookah lounges.
    I don't drink or smoke and strippers are too damn expensive unless you do it like All Bundy and tie a string to your money so you can yank it back.

    I reckon because by passing it at state level, they may be able to bypass court rulings that shot down Trump's bump stock ban. I'm not sure either.
    The bumpstock ban doesn't affect glock switches. Nobody is even arguing those are not machine guns. I thought you were a gun guy?

    I can understand why an Alabama politician might not want to have their name attached to anything banning anything concerning guns.
    I understand that as well. The odd argument being put forward for the local law is "give the local police more 'tools'" but it seems redundant to me.

    Well, I don't know for sure, but it seems like you are making my point, in an oblique way.
    Not really. You want to make the world safe for drunkards, smokers and stripper-mongers I guess. Nothing wrong with that I suppose.

    Glock "switches" are not an issue up here.

    Yet, anyway.
    Lucky you I guess. I'm not sure why Bama seems to be ground zero for this. I would have thought we'd be behind in anything techy.

    Final note on the guns:

    The same effect that makes a bump stock work or a Glock switch work, can be achieved with nothing more than proper finger pressure on the trigger.

    Yeah....that's not close to a Glock switch. Your video? Mag dump in 5 seconds. Glock switch? Mag dump in 2 seconds. Again, nobody is even debating whether or not a Glock switch fits the current definition of a machinegun.



    And for reference here is someone bump firing a Glock.



    Here's a video of the inventor of the Glock switch.




    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Most of the time he'd be right.

    And when the shooter is white, they usually disclose that almost immediately. So if the race is not disclosed, that itself is a hint on its own.

    AF didn't make this about race. Everyone else did by demonizing white people and covering up or excusing crimes by black people
    Not when it comes to places I like to go. (Church, schools etc).
    Last edited by jmdrake; 09-22-2024 at 10:03 PM.
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

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    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  5. #2734
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Not when it comes to places I like to go. (Church, schools etc).
    So in other words, places with people who have already been selected (in terms of selection bias) of not being generally violent.

    If you're worried about getting mass-shootered in a church, I think you're probably gonna be OK
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  6. #2735
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    For the places I like to go the mass shooters are usually white. (Schools, colleges, churches).
    And also incredibly rare, statistically speaking. You stand a better chance of getting hit by lightening than being shot by a white mass shooter at school, college or church.

    Sadly, the only school related mass shooting ever, in NH, was when a bunch of blacks from Mass. came up and shot up some girl's "quinceañera" party down in Nashua IIRC.

    I don't drink or smoke and strippers are too damn expensive unless you do it like All Bundy and tie a string to your money so you can yank it back.


    The bumpstock ban doesn't affect glock switches. Nobody is even arguing those are not machine guns. I thought you were a gun guy?
    I am. What I am not is a lawyer, I thought that was your line of expertise.

    All I'm saying is that the same logic that ATF and Trump used to ban bump stocks, is the same logic that is being used to try to ban Glock "switches".

    They both work off the same principle, using the recoil action of the firearm to cycle the action in the same manner you would by pressing the trigger, only much more quickly. That's why under current law, ATF can not ban them because they are not, as you noted, "machine guns" as defined under current law.

    Strike that, I was mistaken on its theory of operation. It jams the trigger bar to allow repeated cycling without releasing the trigger.

    I thought it used recoil to achieve that on a per shot basis, but it appears that it simply applies a steady force to hold back the trigger bar thus acting just like an auto sear.

    That's how ATF can classify it as a part to make a machine gun.

    My guess was that AL was maybe trying to work around that at the state level for whatever reason.

    I understand that as well. The odd argument being put forward for the local law is "give the local police more 'tools'" but it seems redundant to me
    Well, it is...maybe just somebody trying to "do something"?

    Not really. You want to make the world safe for drunkards, smokers and stripper-mongers I guess. Nothing wrong with that I suppose.
    I don't want to see this carnage anywhere.

    I'd prefer that people not choose to shoot each other up over stupid $#@!.

    I'd like to see them change their ways.

    But more importantly, that carnage and chaos is eventually going to be used by Marxists like Harris and Walz for instance, to strip my rights away.

    Yeah....that's not close to a Glock switch. Your video? Mag dump in 5 seconds. Glock switch? Mag dump in 2 seconds. Again, nobody is even debating whether or not a Glock switch fits the current definition of a machinegun.
    I timed it.

    It took 4.47 seconds to empty a 30 round mag.

    That's 6.7 rounds per second.

    That's 402 rounds per minute, that is the standard metric for measuring rate of fire.

    A full auto AK, built and designed from the factory as such, has a rate of fire of 600 rounds per minute.

    Here's a vid of a guy bump firing a Glock.

    He empties a thirty round mag in 1.91 seconds.

    That's 15 rounds per second, 900 rounds per minute.

    The only factory Glock made to fire full auto achieves a rate of around 1200 rounds per minute.

    What am I getting at?

    That you can achieve almost factory rates of full auto fire from various semi auto weapons simply by using exact finger tension and placement on the trigger.

    And the reason for the difference between the Glock's rate of fire and the AK's rate is that one is a short pistol cartridge that can cycle in the weapon much faster than a much longer rifle cartridge.

    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 09-23-2024 at 12:01 AM.
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  7. #2736
    The whole narrative is absurd on its face - at the same time the USA was both founded on White supremacy, slavery, and genocide, yet always meant to be a place that infinity Africans, Indians, and South Americans could come for a "better life"? - Unknown



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  9. #2737
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    And also incredibly rare, statistically speaking. You stand a better chance of getting hit by lightening than being shot by a white mass shooter at school, college or church.

    Sadly, the only school related mass shooting ever, in NH, was when a bunch of blacks from Mass. came up and shot up some girl's "quinceañera" party down in Nashua IIRC
    Ah. So not even a school shooting. A party. Got it. Tragic and terrible. Anyway I've got zero chance of getting shot at a strip club, party, gin joint or whatever else you want to throw around. (I gotta admit. Some of the women on the Instagram were pretty hot. In my 20s that might have been tempting. But I'm old enough to be their grandpa now). And the last strip club shooting in Nashville, where I used to live, was done by a white guy. Bottom line is, for the "I was just minding my own business not doing anything shady and someone just started shooting the place for no damn reason" most of those are white people. And white people started freaking World War 1, World War 2 and are working on World War 3. I grew up in the 70s with most of the world going to bed at night thinking some idiot white person either in the U.S. or Russia was going to end the entire planet for no good reason. And no I wouldn't trust Obama with nukes if it was up to me either despite his "peace prize." Humanity sucks. But most of what you're talking about is driven by poverty induced gang culture. And I already gave the solution when I posted about Tangelo Park Florida. As I recall you didn't like that for reasons I can't even fathom even though the solution was done without any government money.



    I am. What I am not is a lawyer, I thought that was your line of expertise.
    True. But lawyers have to rely on expert witnesses because we don't know everything.

    All I'm saying is that the same logic that ATF and Trump used to ban bump stocks, is the same logic that is being used to try to ban Glock "switches".

    They both work off the same principle, using the recoil action of the firearm to cycle the action in the same manner you would by pressing the trigger, only much more quickly. That's why under current law, ATF can not ban them because they are not, as you noted, "machine guns" as defined under current law.

    Strike that, I was mistaken on its theory of operation. It jams the trigger bar to allow repeated cycling without releasing the trigger.

    I thought it used recoil to achieve that on a per shot basis, but it appears that it simply applies a steady force to hold back the trigger bar thus acting just like an auto sear.

    That's how ATF can classify it as a part to make a machine gun.

    My guess was that AL was maybe trying to work around that at the state level for whatever reason.
    Yep. That's the "logic." The politicians clamoring for this argue that the federal machine gun ban just isn't enough. Alabama actually doesn't have a local machine gun ban period. Nor did it ever have an assault weapons ban. Yet, supposedly, even though people like our gun grabbing mayor laud the federal assault weapons ban as SOOOO effective and even though machine guns are already effectively banned at the federal level for a long time and even though most of these shootings are not being done with the types of weapons covered by the assault weapons ban, our mayor (well...technically I just live NEAR Birmingham so he's not my mayor) wants both a new federal assault weapons ban and a state Glock switch ban. Not a machine gun ban mind you, but specifically a ban on parts to convert regular guns to machine guns. Oh, and he also decries Alabama becoming a permitless carry state because...reasons. "These people can drive around with a gun in the car and the police can't do anything about it." Well...even before permitless carry, the police couldn't do anything about it unless they pulled someone over for some reason and found out that person had a gun. And if that person turns out to be a felon the police can still arrest him because it's still illegal to be a felon carrying a gun.

    And here's where I think we agree. The machine gun ban itself is unconstitutional. I get why it was enacted. Back when the whole "tax stamp" scheme came into play you had Bonnie and Clyde and "machine gun Kelly" (the ganster, not the goofy white rapper) gunning people down with machine guns and the "St. Valentine's Day massacre" etc. All of this prohibition era (white on white) gang violence done with machine guns. Those SOBs ruined it for the rest of America. The Ronnie Raygun came along in the wake of the crack wars he helped fuel to fund the Contras, made the machine gun ban even worse based on black on black drug prohibition gang violence. We had a steady decline in murder for decades based on multiple factors including Tookie Williams, Louis Farrakhan and others negotiating a peace between the bloods and the crips, crack falling out of favor as a drug of choice. The statists on the left want to give credit to the assault weapons ban. The statists on the right want to give credit to the racist 1993 Clinton/Gingrich/Biden crime bill and local laws like three strikes and "stop and frisk." The assault weapons ban expired in 2004 but there wasn't an immediate jump in murders. Trump finished off the 1993 crime bill in 2018 and their wasn't an immediate jump in murders. The next drug wave was the opiod crisis that was initially in rural America with people making meth from farm chemicals and from prescription drugs. Despite the hype of the "Breaking Bad" TV show, the original meth crisis didn't cause a huge spike in murders like alchohol prohibition and crack did. But now fentynal is in the inner cities and thug / drug dealers are even lacing weed with fentynal in order to make the weed more addictive. I would say the inner city fentynal crisis combined with the "I'm entitled to destroy my own commuity because of racist cops killing George Floyd" mentality of 2020 is responsible for the current spike. The Glock switches don't help that's for sure. Idiots who have no business with automatic weapons can turn their Glocks into machine guns for $5 worth of 3D print filiment. Nobody should just pick up an automatic weapon without proper training and just start shooting. Or you get results like this.



    The latest on the Birmingham shooting you posted is that it was a hit with multiple shooters outside of the club. The intended target was killed with 3 innocent bystanders. And that's tragic. And I wouldn't want anybody to die. But someone with decent training should be able to assasinate someone who's standing in line waiting to get into a club with 1 or 2 bullets. I know this sounds terrible to say. But I wish these thugs were at least better trained so that they only killed their intended targets. But I'm way off the subject now I suppose.

    Well, it is...maybe just somebody trying to "do something"?
    Yep. Never let a good crisis go to waste.

    I don't want to see this carnage anywhere.

    I'd prefer that people not choose to shoot each other up over stupid $#@!.

    I'd like to see them change their ways.

    But more importantly, that carnage and chaos is eventually going to be used by Marxists like Harris and Walz for instance, to strip my rights away.
    Sure. I don't want 600,000+ Europeans to kill each other in Ukraine and/or Russia either. Not sure what I can do about it though. Here's the kicker. Harris and Walz love people talking about the inner city mass shootings you keep highlighting, without actually giving a solution, because they're ready in the wings with their own solutions. And they don't mind "conservative" solutions either. And the DNC Joe Biden in another semi coherent moment blamed the 2020 rise in crime on Trump (funny enough even PBS fact checked him on that) and talked about how he and Harris spent more money on police. These were the same people who were embracing the "defund the police" and "reimagine the police" movements. Democrats are behind the "cop city" training facility near Atlanta. And cops killed that non-binary protestor who was living in the woods to block the construction and claimed he shot at them but strangely there is no body camera footage. But conservatives will go along with cop city and stop and frisk and a new version of the racist 1993 crime bill and new gun control will get slipped in their. That happened under Ronald Raygun. It happened with Newt Gingrich. It will eventually happen again. And all because people keep highlighting the problem without highlighting actual solutions. (Again...Tangelo Park Florida).

    I timed it.

    It took 4.47 seconds to empty a 30 round mag.

    That's 6.7 rounds per second.

    That's 402 rounds per minute, that is the standard metric for measuring rate of fire.

    A full auto AK, built and designed from the factory as such, has a rate of fire of 600 rounds per minute.

    Here's a vid of a guy bump firing a Glock.

    He empties a thirty round mag in 1.91 seconds.

    That's 15 rounds per second, 900 rounds per minute.

    The only factory Glock made to fire full auto achieves a rate of around 1200 rounds per minute.

    What am I getting at?

    That you can achieve almost factory rates of full auto fire from various semi auto weapons simply by using exact finger tension and placement on the trigger.

    And the reason for the difference between the Glock's rate of fire and the AK's rate is that one is a short pistol cartridge that can cycle in the weapon much faster than a much longer rifle cartridge.

    Okay. Well you're the gun expert. If by some crazy twist of fate I ever find myself in Federal court arguing that auto sear bans should be struck down as a violation of the Second Amendment I'll be sure and contact you as a witness. Meanwhile there's only one law being proposed that would actually stem the tide of the Glock switch problem and that's a ban on guns that can take a Glock switch.

    https://www.opb.org/article/2024/05/...matic-weapons/

    And, of course, that will require people like Whoopie Goldberg to turn in their Glocks. She's so clueless she doesn't know that Glocks are semi-automatic just like AR-15s.

    Last edited by jmdrake; 09-23-2024 at 06:26 AM.
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  10. #2738
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    So in other words, places with people who have already been selected (in terms of selection bias) of not being generally violent.

    If you're worried about getting mass-shootered in a church, I think you're probably gonna be OK
    And if you're worried at getting shot at the other places I mentioned I just have to ask what are you doing there?
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  11. #2739
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Okay. Well you're the gun expert.
    Meh.

    Yes, @Anti Federalist, it is about all that stuff you put between STRIKE and /STRIKE. Both semi-auto and full-auto tap a fraction of the force accelerating the bit of lead to cycle a fresh round into the chamber. Double action revolvers are the only firearms I'm aware of that use the finger force on the trigger for anything other than shoving the firing pin up the bullet's ass, while full auto weapons find a way to use recoil energy to do all of that.

    When it comes to mechanical things, follow the energy. Without energy, every machine is just a fancy brick.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 09-23-2024 at 07:26 AM.

  12. #2740
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Meh.

    Yes, @Anti Federalist, it is about all that stuff you put between STRIKE and /STRIKE. Both semi-auto and full-auto tap a fraction of the force accelerating the bit of lead to cycle a fresh round into the chamber. Double action revolvers are the only firearms I'm aware of that use the finger force on the trigger for anything other than shoving the firing pin up the bullet's ass, while full auto weapons find a way to use recoil energy to do all of that.

    When it comes to mechanical things, follow the energy. Without energy, every machine is just a fancy brick.
    Well, sure, but that was not the discussion taking place.

    The questions were, as I understood it, are bump stocks and Glock switches similar items, and why is one banned and the other not, and why is AL trying to "double ban" them, if already banned by the feds?

    I thought they were, and it turned out I was wrong, while a bump stock or "Hell Fire" device works on a closed sear system to simply cycle the action and trigger pulls faster than what you normally could, a Glock switch does not. It mechanically lifts the trigger bar and holds it up and out of the way so that the weapon fires in a true full auto fashion, i.e. it fires continuously as long as you depress the trigger.

    Which is, of course the ATF's definition of a "machine gun". And that is the only distinction between a semi and full auto on the books.
    The whole narrative is absurd on its face - at the same time the USA was both founded on White supremacy, slavery, and genocide, yet always meant to be a place that infinity Africans, Indians, and South Americans could come for a "better life"? - Unknown

  13. #2741
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    And if you're worried at getting shot at the other places I mentioned I just have to ask what are you doing there?
    Point is, the overall picture doesn't change because you are only interested in "places you visit".

    The only place I visit is Taco Bell and as far as I know there's never been a mass shooting there so I think I'm OK.

    (But if there has been a mass shooting at a taco bell I bet it was black people)
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!

    My pronouns are he/him/his

  14. #2742
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Point is, the overall picture doesn't change because you are only interested in "places you visit".

    The only place I visit is Taco Bell and as far as I know there's never been a mass shooting there so I think I'm OK.

    (But if there has been a mass shooting at a taco bell I bet it was black people)
    Do you go to Waffle House? A white person did a mass shooting of black people there until a black man disarmed him.

    See: https://www.npr.org/2022/02/04/10784...unts-of-murder

    The shooter:



    The hero:



    The victims:



    One of the victims looks like he might have been white or hispanic.
    Last edited by jmdrake; 09-23-2024 at 01:52 PM.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  15. #2743
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Well, sure, but that was not the discussion taking place.

    The questions were, as I understood it, are bump stocks and Glock switches similar items, and why is one banned and the other not, and why is AL trying to "double ban" them, if already banned by the feds?

    I thought they were, and it turned out I was wrong, while a bump stock or "Hell Fire" device works on a closed sear system to simply cycle the action and trigger pulls faster than what you normally could, a Glock switch does not. It mechanically lifts the trigger bar and holds it up and out of the way so that the weapon fires in a true full auto fashion, i.e. it fires continuously as long as you depress the trigger.

    Which is, of course the ATF's definition of a "machine gun". And that is the only distinction between a semi and full auto on the books.
    +rep! That is seriously the best explanation I've seen on the difference between the two. If I ever get a gun case you're my go to expert witness. (Seriously). All I know about the subject I learned from Colin Noir and Brandon Herrera. (Let's go Brandon! Hopefully he'll run again for congress and win next time.)
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  16. #2744
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Do you go to Waffle House?
    Nope, I do not. Therefore the rest of your post has no relevance to me
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
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  18. #2745
    https://x.com/NatCon2022/status/1838206578907807921

    The whole narrative is absurd on its face - at the same time the USA was both founded on White supremacy, slavery, and genocide, yet always meant to be a place that infinity Africans, Indians, and South Americans could come for a "better life"? - Unknown

  19. #2746
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    +rep! That is seriously the best explanation I've seen on the difference between the two. If I ever get a gun case you're my go to expert witness. (Seriously). All I know about the subject I learned from Colin Noir and Brandon Herrera. (Let's go Brandon! Hopefully he'll run again for congress and win next time.)
    Glad to be of service, I learned something myself.
    The whole narrative is absurd on its face - at the same time the USA was both founded on White supremacy, slavery, and genocide, yet always meant to be a place that infinity Africans, Indians, and South Americans could come for a "better life"? - Unknown

  20. #2747
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    https://x.com/NatCon2022/status/1838206578907807921

    Strange how they missed the other "ghetto airstrike" with 11 victims.


    Oh, right, the drunk driver of that car was white.
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  21. #2748
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Are on-topic posts allowed in this thread?

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    Pinochet is the model
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    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
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    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

  22. #2749
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    fake news tweet
    Happily deleted my reference to that post.

    Thanks for the heads up.
    The whole narrative is absurd on its face - at the same time the USA was both founded on White supremacy, slavery, and genocide, yet always meant to be a place that infinity Africans, Indians, and South Americans could come for a "better life"? - Unknown

  23. #2750
    https://x.com/NatCon2022/status/1837899544719180095

    The whole narrative is absurd on its face - at the same time the USA was both founded on White supremacy, slavery, and genocide, yet always meant to be a place that infinity Africans, Indians, and South Americans could come for a "better life"? - Unknown

  24. #2751
    https://x.com/iamyesyouareno/status/1838239693839773757



    I don't know lady...why not ask these guys:

    The whole narrative is absurd on its face - at the same time the USA was both founded on White supremacy, slavery, and genocide, yet always meant to be a place that infinity Africans, Indians, and South Americans could come for a "better life"? - Unknown

  25. #2752
    The whole narrative is absurd on its face - at the same time the USA was both founded on White supremacy, slavery, and genocide, yet always meant to be a place that infinity Africans, Indians, and South Americans could come for a "better life"? - Unknown



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  27. #2753
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    https://x.com/NatCon2022/status/1837899544719180095

    Birmingham is short 300 police with a current force of 912. That means Birmingham is missing 1 in 4 police officers.

    https://www.al.com/news/birmingham/2...eing-done.html

    From what I've heard there weren't any officers in Five Points South then the latest shooting happened. Compare that to Nashville with all of the cops on Lower Broadway on any given weekend night. And...they're adding even more cops.





    Contrast that with the mayor of Birmingham talking about banning (already illegal) Glock switches and (not used in the shooting) assault rifles and attacking permitless carry.



    It's not like there's a shortage of black people in Nashville but Nashville is MUCH safer.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  28. #2754
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Contrast that with the mayor of Birmingham talking about banning (already illegal) Glock switches and (not used in the shooting) assault rifles and attacking permitless carry.
    You know I'm no friend of cops, but, if you are going to have them, then let them be cops and vigorously patrol for and arrest violent criminals.

    Having cops that are working under weak, woke, white, women's rules (And we both know who pull their strings), is the very worst of both situations.
    The whole narrative is absurd on its face - at the same time the USA was both founded on White supremacy, slavery, and genocide, yet always meant to be a place that infinity Africans, Indians, and South Americans could come for a "better life"? - Unknown

  29. #2755
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    You know I'm no friend of cops, but, if you are going to have them, then let them be cops and vigorously patrol for and arrest violent criminals.

    Having cops that are working under weak, woke, white, women's rules (And we both know who pull their strings), is the very worst of both situations.
    I'm curious why, based on the scenario (a mass shooting in an entertainment district with no cops present) you believe the issue to be lack of vigorous enforcement as opposed to lack of police presense at all? In every jurisdiction with the possible exception of Uvalde Texas, cops are certainly allowed to use deadly force to stop and active shooter or to apprehend a murder suspect. Do remember the Tamir Rice shooting? Black kid with BB gun that was shot by the cops? The cops were never prosecuted. And to be honest I black the 911 operator (who happens to be a black woman) more than the cops because even though the (white female?) civilian who called it in said he possibly had a toy but she wasn't sure, the 911 operator reported it as an "active shooter." And...the cops weren't charged.

    Anyway, I'm not a fan of cops either, but in large cities they seem to be a necessary evil. And, I could be wrong, but I think their visible presense sometimes (not always) determs some crime.Also it seems the mayor wants rules that allow "vigorous patrol" of peoiple carrying guns without express government permission.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  30. #2756
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I'm curious why, based on the scenario (a mass shooting in an entertainment district with no cops present) you believe the issue to be lack of vigorous enforcement as opposed to lack of police presense at all?
    I'm trying to find one of the clips, there was a shooting at some street fight, I think it was in Philly, and they shot four people with the cops right there, in full view.

    Presence of cops alone, no longer deters.

    At least, not much.

    ETA - Here it is.

    https://x.com/CrimeWatchMpls/status/1837616844074537172



    No deterrence effect.

    https://x.com/i/status/1836581354558878141



    No deterrence effect.

    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 09-24-2024 at 05:53 PM.
    The whole narrative is absurd on its face - at the same time the USA was both founded on White supremacy, slavery, and genocide, yet always meant to be a place that infinity Africans, Indians, and South Americans could come for a "better life"? - Unknown

  31. #2757
    https://x.com/NatCon2022/status/1838617676924530838

    The whole narrative is absurd on its face - at the same time the USA was both founded on White supremacy, slavery, and genocide, yet always meant to be a place that infinity Africans, Indians, and South Americans could come for a "better life"? - Unknown

  32. #2758
    https://x.com/NatCon2022/status/1838625315196711383

    The whole narrative is absurd on its face - at the same time the USA was both founded on White supremacy, slavery, and genocide, yet always meant to be a place that infinity Africans, Indians, and South Americans could come for a "better life"? - Unknown

  33. #2759
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I'm trying to find one of the clips, there was a shooting at some street fight, I think it was in Philly, and they shot four people with the cops right there, in full view.

    Presence of cops alone, no longer deters.

    At least, not much.

    ETA - Here it is.

    https://x.com/CrimeWatchMpls/status/1837616844074537172



    No deterrence effect.

    https://x.com/i/status/1836581354558878141



    No deterrence effect.

    Meh. Apples and oranges. When you already have a full blown riot going on a handful of cops aren't going to make a difference. In each of your videos there are about 20 people engaging in wanton lawlessness. That's harder to deal with using the right amount of force than dealing with a small hit squad. For comparison...Ireland riots.



    When you have multiple seemingly unaarmed people milling around acting lawless you don't have cart blanche to open fire. Even if you as an officer "get away" with it there are still long term political repercussions. For instance the Ashley Babbit wrongful death lawsuit is still going on. "Oh but she was unarmed" you say. So are most of the people in the video th posted. And as a handful of police keep their eyes on the unarmed riotrs, some armed thugs can get some shots off unnoticed. What recently happened in Birmingham doesn't at all sound like that. It sounds like what was a peaceful night where some thugs got out of thier car, made a hit and drove off. Kind of like this:



    Edit: This probably won't embed but you can click through and watch it again for the hundreth time. Notice the handful of police at the door didn't deter members of the crowd from punching the glass. But had a full SWAT contingent been there they most likely would have backed off.

    Last edited by jmdrake; 09-24-2024 at 07:02 PM.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  34. #2760
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Notice the handful of police at the door didn't deter members of the crowd from punching the glass. But had a full SWAT contingent been there they most likely would have backed off.
    Well, I'm not going to argue the point, I'll cede your point that having just plain beat cops patrolling would reduce crime.

    But by your own words they also have to play the role of hard ass as well.

    Again, assuming society must have them, and if you must have them they should perform the job as required.

    My ideal "high trust" society would have almost no need for them at all.
    The whole narrative is absurd on its face - at the same time the USA was both founded on White supremacy, slavery, and genocide, yet always meant to be a place that infinity Africans, Indians, and South Americans could come for a "better life"? - Unknown



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