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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Crime. If I'm walking down the street and someone tries to commit a crime on me, am I really thinking about whether he's black, white, (or blue)?? Nope. There's an individual there to do me harm. There's a threat to manage. It's personal. And real.
    But @jmdrake says that mass shootings of and by people that "don't matter" are easy enough to avoid, just stay out of gang banger areas.

    But how am I supposed to do that, if I can not identify what a gang banger looks like?

    Whites ARE the overwhelming majority of the mass shootings that matter! Here's the deal. You know good and well that you can avoid the gangbang mass shootings by simply avoiding gang infested areas.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan



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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    But @jmdrake says that mass shootings of and by people that "don't matter" are easy enough to avoid, just stay out of gang banger areas.

    But how am I supposed to do that, if I can not identify what a gang banger looks like?
    There are many ways to identify a gang banger. Skin color is a weak one. Most people of all races are not gang bangers and gang bangers are not all one race. If you want to use statistics, use those ones. If your risk assessment is based on race, you're gonna make a bunch of mistakes.

    Besides, in the real world, we don't do that anyway. We use cues in posture and behavior, we listen for language and tone, we gauge the security of the neighborhood by how well it's taken care of, we look at how this person presents himself to the world... And we do all this in fractions of seconds. It's just how the mind works. (shout out to Kahneman) Race is just one of a million things, but if we over emphasize it in our imaginations, it'll cloud our judgment in the real world.
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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    When you look at mass school shooters, 95% of them are white males. (The Nashville trans shooter I put in the female category despite her self identification)
    School shootings remain an exceedingly rare occurrence.

    A school is one of the safest places a child can be.

    As compared to the daily mass shootings carried out by black males in clubs, bars, street parties and so on, all across the country.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 07-16-2023 at 10:43 AM.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

  6. #34
    One ting is certain and proven , govt taking from a group and giving to another will produce no results that are positive.
    Do something Danke

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I deliberately chose Camp Hill Alabama. It has a population 1014. Half of Beattyville.

    Both towns are southern, poverty stricken by loss of industry due to globalism, with similar spending on education, both suffered at the hands of corrupt authority roughly 100 years ago, both have similar age distributions.

    Yet one has a violent crime rate 4.9 times lower than the national average.

    The other has a violent crime rate 1.3 times higher than the national average.

    The only significant difference between the two towns is the ethnic makeup of its citizens.
    More cherry picking bullshyt. If your aim is to prove to me that you're racist then okay, that's working. But after I already gave you the town of Mason Tenessee which has a lower relative crime rate than Beattyville and Mason Tennessee is mostly black, for you to search for a small black town with a high crime rate as proof of anything is rather silly don't you think?
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    School shootings remain an exceedingly rare occurrence.

    A school is one of the safest places a child can be.

    As compared to the daily mass shootings carried out by black males in clubs, bars, street parties and so on, all across the country.
    Yes. But when they happen, 95% of the time the shooter is a white male. Now, if you lack ability to figure out what parts of town to avoid to not get caught up in gang violence, simply use a crime map. It's not hard to do. Here's one for the city of Chicago. It tells you which crimes occured at which locations and you can see the clusters.

    https://data.cityofchicago.org/Publi...-Map/dfnk-7re6

    I looked this up because one of my sons is in college in Chicago and said he wants to live off campus and I was worried for him. I suppose you'd be worried to meet him just because he's black and you haven't figured out the difference between dangerous people and black people. That's your loss but I can't those who choose to be willfully ignorant. I doubt he's ever touched a gun and would likely vote to take away yours (yeah he's liberal). Now, what you can't seem to get through your noggin is that while you can avoid the dangerous parts of town using the map that I linked above, you cannot avoid the SSRI jacked up idtiot (usually white) that's living in your neigborhood. Sure, he's rare. So are brown recluse spider bites. If I swim in gator invested water at night there's a better chance that I'll get bit than there is of my getting bit by a brown recluse spider in my house. But since I don't swim in gator invested water at night there's zero chance I'll get bit by a gator, but at least a small chance I'll get bit by a brown recluse. (And....I actually got bit by one once). Similarly, unless you're someone who choses to court death by hanging out in gang invested areas (and again, they have maps to show where these areas are), you less likely to get killed in a gang shooting than by some white random mass shooter. It's the avoidable danger that you can see verses the unavoidable danger that you can't see. If you don't know how to avoid the obvious danger, I'm going to offer a webinar and charge scary white people $25.00 per session on how to read crime maps.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    School shootings remain an exceedingly rare occurrence.

    A school is one of the safest places a child can be.

    As compared to the daily mass shootings carried out by black males in clubs, bars, street parties and so on, all across the country.
    Why are you going to a black strip club? Got a fetish or something?

    Avoid these areas. https://data.cityofchicago.org/Publi...-Map/dfnk-7re6
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  10. #38
    Hey @Anti Federalist, guess what! When you compare the nearby town of Notasulga, Alabama, which is 66.27% white, it has a nearly 50% higher per capita crime rate of Camp Hill Alabama which is 86.98% black! How does that fit in your little crime / race matrix? (Hint. It doesn't).

    https://www.city-data.com/crime/crim...a-Alabama.html

    Notasulga's crime rate is 508.7 per 100k.

    Camp Hill's crime rate is 325.2 per 100k.

    Edit:

    Tallahassee Alabama's crime rate is 344.3 per 100k with a 68.8% white population.

    Opelika Alabama only has a 47.87% white population. (38.54% black. 7.7% latino. 2.2% asian. 3.42% other/mixed) and yet it only has a crime rate of 190.7 per 100k. What is plurality white Opelika doing so much better than majority white Notasulga and Tallahassee?

    Eclectic Alabama is 77% white with a crime rate of 308 per 100K putting it in the Tallahassee (mostly white) and Camp Hill (mostly black) crime clusters.

    Last edited by jmdrake; 07-16-2023 at 10:07 PM.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Yes. But when they happen, 95% of the time the shooter is a white male. Now, if you lack ability to figure out what parts of town to avoid to not get caught up in gang violence, simply use a crime map. It's not hard to do. Here's one for the city of Chicago. It tells you which crimes occured at which locations and you can see the clusters.

    https://data.cityofchicago.org/Publi...-Map/dfnk-7re6

    I looked this up because one of my sons is in college in Chicago and said he wants to live off campus and I was worried for him. I suppose you'd be worried to meet him just because he's black and you haven't figured out the difference between dangerous people and black people. That's your loss but I can't those who choose to be willfully ignorant. I doubt he's ever touched a gun and would likely vote to take away yours (yeah he's liberal). Now, what you can't seem to get through your noggin is that while you can avoid the dangerous parts of town using the map that I linked above, you cannot avoid the SSRI jacked up idtiot (usually white) that's living in your neigborhood. Sure, he's rare. So are brown recluse spider bites. If I swim in gator invested water at night there's a better chance that I'll get bit than there is of my getting bit by a brown recluse spider in my house. But since I don't swim in gator invested water at night there's zero chance I'll get bit by a gator, but at least a small chance I'll get bit by a brown recluse. (And....I actually got bit by one once). Similarly, unless you're someone who choses to court death by hanging out in gang invested areas (and again, they have maps to show where these areas are), you less likely to get killed in a gang shooting than by some white random mass shooter. It's the avoidable danger that you can see verses the unavoidable danger that you can't see. If you don't know how to avoid the obvious danger, I'm going to offer a webinar and charge scary white people $25.00 per session on how to read crime maps.
    I've lived in some areas that had some heavy-duty gangs, both black & latino, & one thing I found out is that if they think you are a good person, they will protect you. I've had some very positive experiences with the"Hood" & I've seen good people & their property protected from crime. Had a friend who moved to Chicago & was a bit afraid of the area. I told him to be kind, help others & show the gangs the good guy he really was. They jumped in and helped him a lot & the Hood became he's favorite place to visit.
    There is no spoon.

  12. #40
    @Anti Federalist, LaFayette Alabama, with a black population of 68.69% of total of 2,684 people, has a crime rate of 48.9 out of 100k. LaFayette is near Camp Hill (mostly black) and Notasulga (mostly white) Alabama.

    Meanwhile Stanton Kentucky, which is near your beloved Beattyville Kentucky, has a 92.5% white population of a total of 2,733 people, and a crime rate of 203.6 per 100K.

    See: https://www.city-data.com/crime/crim...-Kentucky.html

    Why does overwhelmingly majority white Stanton Kentucky have a much higher crime rate than significantly majority black LaFayette?

    Edit: And for the record, I don't think you're racist. But I do think you've spent so much time trying to prove a particular narrative that it's blinded you to the truth. The differences in crime stats cannot be explained by race. Correlation does not equal causation.

    Edit 2 : And I just noticed that mostly black LayFayette has a LOWER crime rate per 100K can overwhelmingly white Beattyville as well! Not much lower, but still lower.
    Last edited by jmdrake; 07-16-2023 at 11:16 PM.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    I've lived in some areas that had some heavy-duty gangs, both black & latino, & one thing I found out is that if they think you are a good person, they will protect you. I've had some very positive experiences with the"Hood" & I've seen good people & their property protected from crime. Had a friend who moved to Chicago & was a bit afraid of the area. I told him to be kind, help others & show the gangs the good guy he really was. They jumped in and helped him a lot & the Hood became he's favorite place to visit.
    I saw a video on Twitter a while back of some black thugs who saved one white dude from another white dude and beat the snot out of the white dude that started the fight.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Hey @Anti Federalist, guess what! When you compare the nearby town of Notasulga, Alabama, which is 66.27% white, it has a nearly 50% higher per capita crime rate of Camp Hill Alabama which is 86.98% black! How does that fit in your little crime / race matrix? (Hint. It doesn't).

    https://www.city-data.com/crime/crim...a-Alabama.html

    Notasulga's crime rate is 508.7 per 100k.

    Camp Hill's crime rate is 325.2 per 100k.

    Edit:

    Tallahassee Alabama's crime rate is 344.3 per 100k with a 68.8% white population.

    Opelika Alabama only has a 47.87% white population. (38.54% black. 7.7% latino. 2.2% asian. 3.42% other/mixed) and yet it only has a crime rate of 190.7 per 100k. What is plurality white Opelika doing so much better than majority white Notasulga and Tallahassee?

    Eclectic Alabama is 77% white with a crime rate of 308 per 100K putting it in the Tallahassee (mostly white) and Camp Hill (mostly black) crime clusters.

    That's great news.

    It proves Malcom X correct.

    When do we start negotiating?
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Yes. But when they happen, 95% of the time the shooter is a white male. Now, if you lack ability to figure out what parts of town to avoid to not get caught up in gang violence, simply use a crime map. It's not hard to do. Here's one for the city of Chicago. It tells you which crimes occured at which locations and you can see the clusters.

    https://data.cityofchicago.org/Publi...-Map/dfnk-7re6

    I looked this up because one of my sons is in college in Chicago and said he wants to live off campus and I was worried for him. I suppose you'd be worried to meet him just because he's black and you haven't figured out the difference between dangerous people and black people. That's your loss but I can't those who choose to be willfully ignorant. I doubt he's ever touched a gun and would likely vote to take away yours (yeah he's liberal). Now, what you can't seem to get through your noggin is that while you can avoid the dangerous parts of town using the map that I linked above, you cannot avoid the SSRI jacked up idtiot (usually white) that's living in your neigborhood. Sure, he's rare. So are brown recluse spider bites. If I swim in gator invested water at night there's a better chance that I'll get bit than there is of my getting bit by a brown recluse spider in my house. But since I don't swim in gator invested water at night there's zero chance I'll get bit by a gator, but at least a small chance I'll get bit by a brown recluse. (And....I actually got bit by one once). Similarly, unless you're someone who choses to court death by hanging out in gang invested areas (and again, they have maps to show where these areas are), you less likely to get killed in a gang shooting than by some white random mass shooter. It's the avoidable danger that you can see verses the unavoidable danger that you can't see. If you don't know how to avoid the obvious danger, I'm going to offer a webinar and charge scary white people $25.00 per session on how to read crime maps.
    A black mass shooter in GA has just shot 7 people.

    There is no "official" motive, but "sources" suggest anti white bias.

    He randomly shot people in nice neighborhoods.

    Meantime across the country there have been 4 other mass shootings in the past 48 hours.

    ETA - The Fargo incident is technically not a mass shooting. It was reported four shot, but it turns out he only shot three cops.

    The Memphis incident has not been confirmed.

    In Chicago IL, Munhall, PA, Memphis TN, and Fargo ND. (Suspect there was not black but a Muslim, who also appeared to target whites).
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 07-16-2023 at 11:59 PM.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Why are you going to a black strip club? Got a fetish or something?

    Avoid these areas. https://data.cityofchicago.org/Publi...-Map/dfnk-7re6
    Why not?

    I'd happily buy you a drink and talk politics at my local watering hole.

    You'd be perfectly comfortable, accepted and in no danger at all.

    Are you suggesting that I would be, by showing up at a black strip club?
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 07-17-2023 at 12:10 AM.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    If your aim is to prove to me that you're racist then okay, that's working.
    Really?

    In all the years we have communicated with each other have I ever been anything but respectful?

    But because I am pointing out uncomfortable truths, and wanting to know what to do about the OP that prompted me to start this thread, I'm a "racist".

    That is how every single argument about every single black/white issue ends, "the white guy is a racist".

    Not anymore...that doesn't work on me anymore.

    If that's what you want to think of me, so be it.

    It makes the next stage that much easier.

    Negotiating.

    What is it going to take to satisfy, once and for all, all black grievances for the crimes of white people?
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    That is how every single argument about every single black/white issue ends...
    So why start them??? What are you hoping to gain?

    This is what the division strategy is all about. We have to rise above it. See it for what it is.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    So why start them??? What are you hoping to gain?

    This is what the division strategy is all about. We have to rise above it. See it for what it is.
    I start them because there is a significant portion of the population of the country that says I must be removed and utterly silenced, pay trillions of dollars in reparations, have everything taken from me, and some go as far as to advocate me being physically exterminated, as punishment for the crimes of my fathers.

    I start them because from the president on down, the entire structure of the government and it's arms in the media organs, corporate offices and "entertainment" wings blare out that I am the danger, I am the killer, I must have my rights and property taken because I lash out violently, when by every metric of that statement the very opposite is true.

    Those are significant issues to me, worthy of serious discussion and certainly nothing I could "unite" around.

    I hope to gain what I hope to gain in every series of threads on different issues I have started over the years: from cops killing dogs then people, to the explosive rise of surgical genital mutilation of kids, to the right to keep and bear arms.

    Awareness of the issue, what can be brought forward as a solution, if indeed there is a solution and a countering and reckoning of the System's propaganda machine, when it shouts untruths as facts.

    I thought that was the purpose of a "discussion" forum.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 07-17-2023 at 06:17 AM.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I start them because there is a significant portion of the population of the country that says I ...
    Significant? Are we sure of that? Hard to tell how well it's really selling, given there are no independent pollsters left.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I start them because from the president on down, the entire structure of the government and it's arms in the media organs, corporate offices and "entertainment" wings blare out that I am the danger, I am the killer, I must have my rights and property taken because I lash out violently, when by every metric of that statement the very opposite is true.
    Buttons are pushed. And people go sproing! like jacks in the boxes.

    I remember how united Americans were (except Arab-Americans) after 9/11. I guess that once they got the two wars they wanted up and going, someone decided that unity wasn't useful to them, and had to go.
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    Yeah, well, you've already collected as many flies with vinegar as you're gonna.



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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    I remember how united Americans were (except Arab-Americans) after 9/11. I guess that once they got the two wars they wanted up and going, someone decided that unity wasn't useful to them, and had to go.
    I was not.

    Neither were you.

    Neither was @jmdrake.

    All three of us believed, and I still believe, the whole thing was a government cluster $#@! and false flag and cover up.

    But we were called traitors and people said we should have been executed for holding those "radical, anti American views".

    We were told we need to "Unite as Americans", join the winning team, and come in for the big win.

    But we refused to unite with a lie.

    Even here, on a website that is held up as a beacon of free speech and thought, dangerous and seditious ideas concerning 9/11 truth had to be locked away from public view and buried in a private forum.

    Or have you forgotten that?
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 07-17-2023 at 10:56 AM.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Significant? Are we sure of that? Hard to tell how well it's really selling, given there are no independent pollsters left.
    I'll cede that point.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I start them because there is a significant portion of the population of the country that says I ...
    Significant? Are we sure of that? Hard to tell how well it's really selling, given there are no independent pollsters left.
    I'll cede that point.
    Whether there is "a significant portion of the population of the country that says [fill-in-the-blank]" doesn't really matter.

    What actually matters is whether the "portion of the population of the country that says [fill-in-the-blank]" is in a position from which it can wield "significant" power.

    Those are not at all the same thing.

    IOW: Portions (as, for example, expressed in polls, "independent" or not) don't matter - power and position do (bold emphasis added):
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    I don't presume to know what percentage of the population is composed of illiberal authoritarians (and their various fellow travelers) - and whatever that quantity may be, I don't know, from among them as a whole, what the ratio of left-socialists to right-fascists is, either. However, I am skeptical that that ratio is quite as tidily equal as you make it out to be. I rather suspect that the right-fascist variety is outnumbered by the left-socialist variety, perhaps significantly so.

    But even granting an even ratio, the left-socialists are at the moment a much greater existential threat [1] than the right-fascists. It doesn't really matter that their numbers might be equal when one side has ten pawns and the other side has ten queens. Indeed, ten pawns would be outmatched even by just two or three queens in the right places. Power and position are what matters, not mere quantities. Whatever their relative numbers, the vanguard of illiberal left-socialist authoritarianism (bearing the standards and tokens of the Woke) increasingly dominates all three wings of the Cathedral - namely, the executive bureaucracy, the corporate media, and the universities & education system. Even if equal [or even greater] in number, the illiberal right-fascist authoritarians can [presently] field no force to compare to this.

    And that the overwhelming majority of people are not illiberal authoritarians (nor among their various fellow travelers) is of little or no account. The bulk of the masses are inert ballast. They will eat whatever is put on their plates. Feed them tyranny (left or right), and they will eat it - they may grouse and grumble about it, but they will eat it. Feed them liberty, and they will eat it - they may grouse and grumble about it, but they will eat it. Wherever their hearts may be, sheep will graze whatever pasture they find themselves in. That's what makes them sheep. Just ask Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.

    As for the distinction between Democrats and Republicans (to the extent that there even is one), the only Democrats and Republicans that really matter are the ones with actual power - and by and large, they aren't so much ideologically illiberal authoritarians as they are mere establishmentarian opportunists looking to exploit and capitalize on the strife and division engendered by the real illiberal authoritarians. At present, the most critical distinction is between the illiberal left-socialist authoritarians (of whatever party or faction) and everyone else. The power of the former is increasing apace (unlike that of the illiberal right-fascist authoritarians), and should they achieve victory, the Bidens, McConnells, Pelosis, and other partisan hacks will be among the first to be (figuratively or literally) lined up against the wall.



    [1] As for the extent of that threat, they may indeed, as you say, want to kill us. I don't talk in terms of "genocide" or the like myself, and I think Michael Malice states it quite well when he says, "they want you dead but will settle for your submission." Nonetheless, it may be, as some can and do assert, that they will take matters well beyond mere submission. But submission to illiberal authoritarians (of any variety) is by itself quite bad enough. The prospect of gulag does not need the promise of the grave to make it any more objectionable.

  26. #52
    Sorry, AF... I'm trying to highlight something for you...

    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I start them because...

    I start them because...

    I hope to gain...
    By your own admission, your stated intent is not being met. In fact, the opposite keeps happening.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    That is how every single argument about every single black/white issue ends, "the white guy is a racist".
    I agree that there are important issues in this topic, but the approach is divisive. Instead of calling out the destructive nature of the government programs that are causing these issues, you want to focus on the disparate racial impacts of those programs. Worse yet, it comes off like you're pointing the finger at a whole race of people because of how a percentage of that population responds to the government damage. Yeah, you don't like the finger pointed at your race any more than someone else does. I get it. But there should be unity in that rather than division.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I thought that was the purpose of a "discussion" forum.
    It is. It is also the reason why I'm "discussing" this instead of letting the thread go by. Where you see a race issue, I see a poverty issue. Poverty of the mind and poverty of wealth creation. And yes, the racial demographics in that condition are interesting, but I see that as a correlation rather than a causation. There are many people of all races living in those conditions with very much the same outcomes. The biggest difference being the percentage of people of each race living in those conditions. Well, if you've been told your whole life that the powers that be will never let you succeed because of your race and your start to believe it, it saps your energy to try. It's easier to point the finger.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Sorry, AF... I'm trying to highlight something for you...

    By your own admission, your stated intent is not being met. In fact, the opposite keeps happening.
    Is it? Support for BLM has dropped by double digits since 2020. Whether my opinions and scribblings on the subject are swaying minds one way or the other is almost impossible to quantify, but there are signs that indicate progress or not. "Audit or Abolish The Fed" was not a rallying cry or talking point 20 years ago. It is now. Did we help make that so?

    I agree that there are important issues in this topic, but the approach is divisive. Instead of calling out the destructive nature of the government programs that are causing these issues, you want to focus on the disparate racial impacts of those programs. Worse yet, it comes off like you're pointing the finger at a whole race of people because of how a percentage of that population responds to the government damage. Yeah, you don't like the finger pointed at your race any more than someone else does. I get it. But there should be unity in that rather than division.
    I'm an $#@!...both my parents did not care for me, the wife can't stand me, I have about 3 friends in the whole world, my kids are about the only ones who tolerate me. So yeah, I'm divisive and harsh. And even with that accounted for I'm mincing about like a fairy and choosing my words with the utmost care on this subject, because if I cross the line, I'm gone.

    I don't think for one second that the cessation of destructive government programs will do any good in reducing the problems within black communities, any more than I think ending subsidies and handouts will stop the foreign invasion across our border.

    With these exceptions: those programs that have deliberately removed the black father from the black family and the globalist/Marxist "free traders" that have sold off industry so that a father, black or white, can no longer support and provide for a family on a working class salary.

    It is. It is also the reason why I'm "discussing" this instead of letting the thread go by. Where you see a race issue, I see a poverty issue. Poverty of the mind and poverty of wealth creation. And yes, the racial demographics in that condition are interesting, but I see that as a correlation rather than a causation. There are many people of all races living in those conditions with very much the same outcomes. The biggest difference being the percentage of people of each race living in those conditions. Well, if you've been told your whole life that the powers that be will never let you succeed because of your race and your start to believe it, it saps your energy to try. It's easier to point the finger.
    It's also easier to demand that the "oppressor" hand over all his earthly wealth and his institutions and his posterity's birthright.

    Which is what this thread was all about.

    Trying to pin down an absolute dollar value that will absolve all my sins and the sins of my fathers, once and for all.

    To see if that figure was in any way feasible and to negotiate my terms for paying that sum.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I was not.

    Neither were you.

    Neither was @jmdrake.

    All three of us believed, and I still believe, the whole thing was a government cluster $#@! and false flag and cover up.

    But we were called traitors and people said we should have been executed for holding those "radical, anti American views".

    We were told we need to "Unite as Americans", join the winning team, and come in for the big win.

    But we refused to unite with a lie.

    Even here, on a website that is held up as a beacon of free speech and thought, dangerous and seditious ideas concerning 9/11 truth had to be locked away from public view and buried in a private forum.

    Or have you forgotten that?
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Anti Federalist again.

    I will happily unite with you in not uniting with the Bush / Cheney crime cabal. But sadly I bought the Kool Aid at first. Even Ron Paul kind of bought it when he voted for the Afghan war. It was the Iraq war that started to wake me up. Learining that Bush and Kerry were both Skull and Bones pushed me over the edge.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Why not?

    I'd happily buy you a drink and talk politics at my local watering hole.

    You'd be perfectly comfortable, accepted and in no danger at all.

    Are you suggesting that I would be, by showing up at a black strip club?
    Dude I avoid black strip clubs. I went there in my 20s but I took all sorts of chances in my 20s. That's places where people go to "make it rain" with their drug money or rap money or both. Now, I'll take you to a black church anytime. You might even get filled with the Holy Ghost and dance!



    Now I'll let you have the Pride celebrations on your own.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Really?

    In all the years we have communicated with each other have I ever been anything but respectful?

    But because I am pointing out uncomfortable truths, and wanting to know what to do about the OP that prompted me to start this thread, I'm a "racist".

    That is how every single argument about every single black/white issue ends, "the white guy is a racist".

    Not anymore...that doesn't work on me anymore.

    If that's what you want to think of me, so be it.

    It makes the next stage that much easier.

    Negotiating.

    What is it going to take to satisfy, once and for all, all black grievances for the crimes of white people?
    I added in another post that I don't think you're racist, but you've clearly blinded yourself to the truth on race by selectively looking at stats that fit your own bias. And we all have bias. When comparing apples to apples, small majority white towns, small majority black towns, and 50/50 split towns have similar crime stats. Crime is overall lower in Kentucky thn in Alabama because Kentucky is not a coastal state! Kentucky doesn't even boarder a coastal state. By contrast Alabama has Mobile Bay and it boarders Georgia, Florida and Mississippi. Why does that matter? Because drugs and human trafficing come in through the coast!

    That said, even if you were racist that doesn't mean you couldn't be respectful or that we couldn't be friends. Like these two.



    One of the klansmen even went to his wedding....his mixed race wedding. Dialog. What a wonderful thing.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    That's great news.

    It proves Malcom X correct.

    When do we start negotiating?
    How do you figure that when Opelika Alabama is 47% white, 38 percent black and has lower crime than a lot of similarly sized towns which are nearly all white?
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Dude I avoid black strip clubs. I went there in my 20s but I took all sorts of chances in my 20s. That's places where people go to "make it rain" with their drug money or rap money or both. Now, I'll take you to a black church anytime. You might even get filled with the Holy Ghost and dance!

    Lord have mercy...about the best I could manage is The Dan Ackroyd Dance.



    Now I'll let you have the Pride celebrations on your own.
    Facts are facts...I have no choice but to own that without reservation.

    The child butchering demons behind "Pride" are a bloody stain on the white race, almost without exception.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I'll cede that point.
    You aren't the only one being forced to do so...

    https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/stat...89479889801217

    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    Yeah, well, you've already collected as many flies with vinegar as you're gonna.

  35. #60
    So, at least CNN admits now, based on "new studies" that blacks are more likely to be both victims and perpetrators of mass shootings than whites.

    What do they figure is the cause of that?

    "Structural Racism"...but of course it is.

    Evil whites are making blacks go out and commit mass murder and mayhem.

    Damn me...seems like I am someone blacks would not want to be around at all.


    Structural racism may contribute to mass shootings, study says

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/19/us/ma...ism/index.html

    By Nicole Chavez, CNN Updated 2:55 PM EDT, Wed July 19, 2023

    CNN

    Mass shootings in major metropolitan areas in the United States disproportionately affect Black people, and structural racism may play a role, according to a study published on Wednesday in the journal JAMA Surgery.

    Researchers at Tulane University analyzed data relating to the 51 largest metropolitan areas, including demographic and income data as well as reports of mass shootings from 2015 to 2019 compiled by the Gun Violence Archive, a non-profit organization that tracks gun violence in the US.

    CNN and the Gun Violence Archive define a mass shooting as a shooting that injured or killed four or more people, not including the shooter. (That is the definition I have been using myself, for years. - AF)

    The study found that in areas with higher Black populations, mass shootings are likelier to occur compared to communities with higher White populations.

    There are also more Black people injured and killed when mass shootings take place, the findings say.
    (Shocked, shocked I am - AF)

    The study examined 865 mass shootings between 2015 and 2019, which resulted in a combined 3,968 injuries and 828 fatalities.

    Researchers intended to find whether mass shootings are a consequence of structural racism, which they described as “the normalized and legitimized range of policies, practices, and attitudes that routinely produce cumulative and chronic adverse outcomes for people of color.”

    They correlated the cities’ Black-White segregation index, demographic data, poverty rates, educational attainment and crime rates.

    Chicago had the greatest number of mass shootings during that period with 141, which led to 97 deaths and 583 injuries.

    According to the study, Milwaukee had the highest segregation index, which tracks racial disparities in schools and neighborhoods, while Baltimore had the highest unemployment rate.

    Cleveland had the greatest income inequality.

    Researchers said the study did not find a link between income and mass shooting events, but further research may be needed to define how income equality and poverty have an influence in mass shootings.

    “The (study’s) results have implications for targeted interventions to address firearm violence at community and national levels,” Dr. Kimberly B. Golish and Dr. Leah C. Tatebe with the Department of Surgery at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine in a commentary about the study’s findings.

    While the study “provides evidence to support interventions to decrease the downstream effects of structural racism,” Golish and Tatebe said “it is time to focus on supporting patients beyond the hospital and research.”

    Golish and Tatebe said in addition to policy changes, something that could be critical to reducing mass shootings and the effect of racial disparities is creating a framework in which surgeons like them can combat gun violence.

    “Solidifying how surgeons can combat the influence of structural racism on gun violence on a grander scale is critical to combat these prevalent and deadly disparities,” they wrote. “We need to call on strengths from our interdisciplinary teams and ability to provide resources and support to those who have suffered from gun violence.”

    The study’s authors cautioned the number of mass shootings and casualties reported by the GVA is not exact and subject to change as reports from law enforcement, media and other sources the group relies upon are updated and verified.

    But they concluded “racial and ethnic minority populations are significantly more likely to be victims of (mass shootings),” systemic inequities lead to a variety of outbreaks of gun violence in the US, and it’s something the public health sphere needs to address.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

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