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    ‘Literally Impossible’: Trucking Companies Brace for California’s Electric Mandate

    ‘Literally Impossible’: Trucking Companies Brace for California’s Electric Mandate

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/litera...ign=digitalsub

    By Travis Gillmore

    June 5, 2023Updated: June 6, 2023

    Logistics companies are scrambling to meet California’s upcoming Jan. 1, 2024 mandate that all new trucks purchased for servicing ports, rail yards, and distribution centers in the state be zero-emission vehicles, with experts questioning limited access to charging stations and the viability of switching from diesel to electric fleets.

    Availability of electric semi-trucks is a concern, as is the price of the vehicles, the number of miles they can go on a charge, and the cost of maintenance and replacement parts, all of which currently remain unknown variables, according to industry experts.

    “We need to know all of these things in order to plan,” Nelson Sibrian—owner of Sibrian Trucking based in Wilmington, California—told The Epoch Times. “If we don’t know the actual range, it makes it impossible to schedule, and they can’t give me a straight answer on how long [trucks] will take to charge.”

    Charging is problematic on several fronts, as trucks require special charging stations, and with limited infrastructure at and near ports, experts say the frequent need to recharge, and the wait times expected with more trucks than charging ports, add to the time and cost of operation.

    Traditionally, maintenance accounts for the majority of expenditures with diesel trucks, and the lack of information regarding similar requirements for electric vehicles presents unique challenges for logistics companies, according to experts. Some say they’ve heard costs could be tenfold for electric as compared to diesel trucks.

    “Nobody has real numbers when we ask for details about maintenance and replacement costs,” Sibrian said. “With diesel, we know our cost per day to maintain the vehicle.”

    The price of most electric semi-trucks is approximately $500,000, based on listings for new models, and Tesla is seeking to gain market share by undercutting the price, with models ranging from $180,000 and up.

    Availability is considerably different between electric and diesel. Fleet owners have their choice of manufacturers for traditional trucks, while extremely limited production has electric counterparts on backorder in many instances.

    “Even if I had the $500,000 to buy a new electric truck, there aren’t any for sale,” John Williams, a trucking professional servicing Oakland ports, told The Epoch Times.

    With 10,000 drayage trucks—those that access ports and railyards—reportedly replaced on average each year, the newly imposed mandate will create demand that manufacturers will be unable to supply, based on current production standards, according to trucking company owners. Distributors additionally say only a handful of trucks are available at a time, with supply substantially trailing demand.

    Efforts are underway to increase production at facilities in Southern California and Nevada, but transportation professionals expect difficulty buying or leasing the trucks by the time the laws take effect.

    “This is a bigger problem than people realize because we’re being forced to do something that is literally impossible,” Williams said. “There are not enough trucks, not enough charging stations, and not enough information that we can rely on.”

    Industry experts say the estimated 10,000-pound battery pack installed in Tesla trucks is also potentially an issue because replacements would be difficult and costly and lead to less cargo being carried due to laws pertaining to weight limits. They additionally report no success when requesting details from the manufacturer regarding specifics.

    Tesla did not respond to The Epoch Times’ request for comment on deadline.

    Weight of the vehicles is another concern, as the battery packages powering electric trucks cause them to weigh substantially more than standard trucks, and laws regulating weight limits on roads means a heavier truck can carry less cargo, hence less profit for the carrier, according to transportation experts.

    “Packing a truck is how we make money,” Williams said. “If we’re limited by how much cargo we can carry and how far we can carry it, we can’t possibly be as efficient as we are today.”

    Range presents another significant obstacle, as diesel trucks can run more than 1,000 miles before refueling, while the best electric semis currently can go 300 miles or less, with the majority currently operating in California lasting only 100 miles or fewer on average, according to experts.

    PepsiCo purchased the first Tesla semis last December, with several reports of breakdowns near its Modesto distribution center early this year. Tesla additionally issued a voluntary recall of its semis in April due to a problem with the electronic parking brake valve, but it is unclear if the breakdowns are related to the recall.

    Reliability is also a factor affecting owners’ hesitancy to switch to electric, with questions remaining about the long-term effectiveness of the power systems, according to experts.

    Fires are another significant problem worrying operators, with several truckers telling The Epoch Times that the size of the lithium batteries installed in the big rigs will present public safety issues if and when fires occur.

    While many steps remain before electric trucks can replace diesel fleets in California—by 2035 all fleets must be zero emission as required by the Advanced Clean Trucks Regulation passed in 2020—and companies say many questions still need to be answered, the push for zero-emission trucks has many supporters.

    Proponents point to increased power and fewer mechanical components, with some claiming substantial long-term cost savings. But the estimates rely on a decrease in battery and power prices in the future, which critics say is a flawed analysis.

    Given the list of variables still undetermined, owners say uncertainty typically means one thing: increased costs, and with inflation already impacting the economy, some are worried increasing pricing could impact households’ purchasing power.

    “When costs go up, I’m going to have to raise the rates,” Sibrian, the trucking company owner, told The Epoch Times. “And you know who ends up paying for this, it’s the consumers.”
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee



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    Logistics companies are scrambling to meet California’s upcoming Jan. 1, 2024 mandate that all new trucks purchased for servicing ports, rail yards, and distribution centers in the state be zero-emission vehicles, with experts questioning limited access to charging stations and the viability of switching from diesel to electric fleets.
    Why?

    Why are you "scrambling" to meet a "literally impossible" deadline?

    Either you're exaggerating the scope of the mandate, and it IS possible to comply with, or it is in fact, impossible.

    If that's the case, stop chasing your tails like a bunch of retarded puppies and leave.

    Let someone else worry about it.

    I guaran-damn-tee you the majority of the people losing sleep over this and trying to figure out how to jump through the hoops are men, most likely white men.

    MoonBeam and Sha-Neeq-Wah down in Human Resources are not worrying about it. They're too busy using office supplies on your dime, making up flyers and leaflets telling everybody how much you and your business sucks and is racist and homophobic, to pass out at the Pride Weekend coming up.

    $#@! them, leave.

    "Oh but AF, that will cost us moneyyyyyy".

    $#@! that too...our enemies have no problem losing market share and money by the billions, just to advance their agenda.

    If we have to do the same so be it.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 06-07-2023 at 07:31 PM.
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Let someone else worry about it.

    Presidential hopeful Asa Hutchinson, Republican, seems to want that too:

    - Today, I am challenging Arkansas to lead in this world of innovation by focusing on the future of advanced mobility. In order for us to lead, we need to have electric charging stations across the state. Arkansas is scheduled to receive $54 million over the next 5 years from the federal government for electric charging station infrastructure. Quite frankly, this needs to be accelerated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Why?

    Why are you "scrambling" to meet a "literally impossible" deadline?

    Either you're exaggerating the scope of the mandate, and it IS possible to comply with, or it is in fact, impossible.

    If that's the case, stop chasing your tails like a bunch of retarded puppies and leave.

    Let someone else worry about it.

    I guaran-damn-tee you the majority of the people losing sleep over this and trying to figure out how to jump through the hoops are men, most likely white men.

    MoonBeam and Sha-Neeq-Wah down in Human Resources are not worrying about it. They're too busy using office supplies on your dime, making up flyers and leaflets telling everybody how much you and your business sucks and is racist and homophobic, to pass out at the Pride Weekend coming up.

    $#@! them, leave.

    "Oh but AF, that will cost us moneyyyyyy".

    $#@! that too...our enemies have no problem losing market share and money by the billions, just to advance their agenda.

    If we have to do the same so be it.
    100% yes. Just fold, sell off and walk away. It's not worth the toll on your health and sanity for those who do not appriciate you. Take the money from your business sell off and live a simpler quiet life. I did after covid and I'm fine.

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    On the plus side, maybe the Leftys will starve out.

    "An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.

    "To learn who rules over you simply find out who you arent allowed to criticize."

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    Quote Originally Posted by unknown View Post
    On the plus side, maybe the Leftys will starve out.

    This is just ports for now. They won't get their Chinese crap from amazon or walmart.

    By 2035 when they want all trucks electric it will quietly delayed or repealed because it's impossible to implement. They don't even have enough power to charge the small percentage of electic cars in the state now, no less every single OTR truck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    This is just ports for now. They won't get their Chinese crap from amazon or walmart.

    By 2035 when they want all trucks electric it will quietly delayed or repealed because it's impossible to implement. They don't even have enough power to charge the small percentage of electic cars in the state now, no less every single OTR truck.
    Isnt that the point?

    Goodbye car ownership, hello clean air: welcome to the future of transport.
    "An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.

    "To learn who rules over you simply find out who you arent allowed to criticize."



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