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    [Video] Full 40 minute interview of UFO whistleblower David Grusch

    I see three options:

    1. true

    2. lie / psyop

    3. error: they are analyzing some secret human technology and dont realize its human.

    And I would like Rand to get briefed by this guy.




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    • Lawyer Daniel Sheehan tells DailyMail.com that a whistleblower told him of a crashed UFO recovered by the US military that 'distorted space-time'
    • 'They had a guy go into it and it was the size of a football stadium, while the outside was only about 30 feet in diameter.' Sheehan said
    • Sheehan has been helping bring whistleblowers like former senior Air Force intelligence officer David Grusch to Congress
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...pace-time.html

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    Video posted earlier is not available, so here is a copy of the full 40+ minute interview:



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVGLKB-ozig


    or you can watch on NewsNation website:
    https://www.newsnationnow.com/space/...blower-speaks/



    Here's a recap of the interview I found on reddit:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/commen...stuff_summary/


    • The personnel interviewed by Grusch shared extreme detail about the programs they are working on and Grusch found it credible.
    • Grusch investigated this topic for 4 years before believing it is credible and 100% factual then submitted a report to DOD Oversight Director which in 2023 determined it as “Credible and urgent”. This has been forwarded to Congress.
    • Grusch has known Kirkpatrick for eight years and has discussed the subject with him. Grusch is unsure why Kirkpatrick has not contacted Grusch on this matter or why key evidence has not been presented.
    • 1933 craft recovered in Italy by Mussolini's forces was intercepted by the US in "1944 OR 1945" - Grusch was unsure, so this lines up with a historical anachronism. We can assume 1945, aligned with history. Grusch showcased a hand-written memo in Italian that also contained small drawings at the bottom as proof.
    • The Vatican informed the US of what the Italian government had in its possession. The Vatican helped suppress this find. This means, The Vatican does indeed know NHI (NON-HUMAN INTELLIGENCE) exist and is actively covering this up.
    • NHI may be alien, may be interdimensional or both.
    • Football-field-sized craft have been sighted. Multiple operational craft have been recovered. It's unclear if the football-field-sized craft is the alleged 30-ft diameter craft that apparently contained a "football field sized interior" that was recently disclosed. Alternatively, it may be this craft is the Indonesian UAP that allegedly was smuggling drugs and weapons that was reported this week. We don't yet know the context of where it was seen. It may have been seen in a US facility or not.
    • "Quite a number" of crafts have been recovered by the US. At least 12 according to Grusch. Other sources claim many more than this.
    • NHI occupant bodies have been recovered.
    • It's somewhat implied that the US government may have an existing formal relationship/agreement with some NHI factions. "Agreements that risk putting our future in jeopardy". It remains unclear if Grusch was making the implication or if Coulthart was jumping to that conclusion and trying to get Grusch to fill in the blanks.
    • Not all factions are peaceful - but the extent of why/how is not elaborated on.
    • Kirkpatrick is lying by means of omission to Congress. AARO needs to be held to account.
    • The US government have killed people to keep this information suppressed.
    • Nukes are an ongoing concern to NHI.
    • Private enterprise are working with this technology. Aerospace and defence projects.
    • The events of Roswell 1947 happened. Subsequent addendums by the US government were part of a disinformation campaign that continues to today.
    • An ongoing broad UFO disinformation campaign is being perpetrated by the US government. As part of this campaign, Grusch claims some "true" or factual intel has been presented or pushed, along with false claims or disinformation in an effort to muddy the narrative.
    • Grusch has seen/verified the evidence to back these claims. Has seen "photos and documents". His job was essentially to research and corroborate witness testimony, which led him here.
    • Grusch stated there were techniques to bring down these UAPs. This implies that there are crafts that the US has brought down forcefully by some means.
    • There are also craft that were left or given to us for whatever reason. There were also partially damaged craft (including the 1933 craft recovered in Italy).
    • Grusch mentioned people working with these recovered UAPs have gotten sick. He did not elaborate how specifically or what work was being done that might have caused this.
    • Grusch highlighted the possibility that private industry could make a breakthrough and sell it back to the government. Give this has been funded by tax payer money, it is unethical and needs oversight. This also implies this technology is/could already be in the hands of private enterprise and there may be advancements sufficient to on-sell the technology.
    • Grusch alluded to China's willingness to throw bodies at reverse engineering and finding success. This might also provide a speculative rationale for why we're speeding up disclosure: the need to compete with a foreign power for tech superiority.
    • In 1971, the USA and USSR signed a treaty explicitly stating that both nuclear powers would confirm if UFOs or similar breached nuclear facility airspace and/or caused malfunctions that might trigger arming/disarming of nuclear weapons. This was cited as proof of ongoing UFO/UAP interference and knowledge by both superpowers of the situation and reality.
    • Grusch alleges that Russia and China are in a Cold War over this technology.
    • The DOD determine what specific points David Grusch is cleared to talk about and what breaches national security or classified intel. Who or how they make that distinction (or why) is unclear.
    • The videos released by the pentagon in 2020 were “just the tip of the iceberg” and he claims that additional video (or other) evidence exists that are far more extraordinary. This also speaks to the fact that he has seen these pieces of video with his own eyes.
    • Coulhart mentioned Grusch is starting his own science foundation. Was not mentioned if this would be a continuation of his current knowledge or expanding into different aspects of the scientific community.
    • AARO does not have the adequate security clearance (it has Title 10, needs Title 50) in order to actually investigate some of the operations that the crash retrieval program falls under - This has been also reported by Coulthart independently.
    • Grusch says he will "Make myself available to Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin, Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines, who was a recipient of my complaints - I'm happy to further brief elected officials on the specific ecosystem of secrecy down to the fine details."

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    Story told and approved by government......

    I'll need to see some actual evidence not hear words and see grainy pictures.

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    Haven't watched yet.

    "An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.

    "To learn who rules over you simply find out who you arent allowed to criticize."

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    "An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.

    "To learn who rules over you simply find out who you arent allowed to criticize."



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    House GOP plans to hold long-teased UFO hearing
    “That’s what it is about: aliens. … I think people deserve to know,” Rep. Tim Burchett (R-Tenn.), who is leading the effort, told POLITICO.

    By JORDAIN CARNEY
    07/13/2023

    The House Oversight Committee is finally planning to hold a long-teased hearing on UFOs.

    A small but vocal contingent of the Republican conference has been pushing for a hearing after the Pentagon and other national security agencies have said in recent months that they are investigating unidentified aircraft and hundreds of new reports of UFOs.

    Senior Republicans have now tentatively slated such a hearing for the last week of July, according to two Republicans familiar with the hearing.

    “That’s what it is about: aliens. … I think people deserve to know,” Rep. Tim Burchett (R-Tenn.), one of the two Republicans, told POLITICO.

    Both Oversight Chair James Comer (R-Ky.) and Speaker Kevin McCarthy have signed off on holding a hearing, with Burchett and Rep. Anna Paulina Luna (R-Fla.) asked to take the lead.

    A spokesperson for Comer noted that the hearing is still in its planning stages but it is “looking like it will happen towards the end of this month.” The Kentucky Republican said that it will be a subcommittee hearing.

    Despite the early stages, the hearing has already sparked pushback not only within the committee but from the Defense Department, according to Burchett.

    ...
    read more:
    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/0...aring-00106188

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    "An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.

    "To learn who rules over you simply find out who you arent allowed to criticize."

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Story told and approved by government......

    I'll need to see some actual evidence not hear words and see grainy pictures.
    I agree

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    House Oversight Committee to hold UFO hearing next week
    "I'd love to see whatever facts and information we have," McCarthy said Monday.

    ByJay O'Brien and Alexandra Hutzler
    July 17, 2023

    The Republican-led House Oversight Committee will hold a hearing on UFOs, officially called unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs), next week.

    Rep. Tim Burchett, R-Tenn., announced on Twitter that the session is scheduled for July 26.

    The hearing comes after Republican lawmakers have promised to look deeper into UAPs following unconfirmed claims from a former intelligence official that the U.S. military had allegedly found crashed alien spacecraft. The Pentagon has said it hasn't discovered any information to substantiate this claim.

    ...

    Burchett, who is leading the panel's inquiry into UAPs with fellow GOP hard-liner Rep. Anna Paulina Luna of Florida, had previewed the hearing last week.

    "We're going to have professionals in here and we're getting blowback from some of the alphabet agencies," he claimed to reporters without elaborating further.

    "I'm sick of government ... that does not trust the people," he said when pushed by the press for more detail.

    ...
    read more:
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hous...y?id=101345935

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    David Grusch, David Fravor, and Ryan Graves will testify at the hearing next week, according to Tim Burchett. Interesting press conference he held with Rep. Anna Paulina Luna this morning, they are getting lots of pushback from military officials apparently.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-hCpZcVD50




    David Fravor and Ryan Graves were featured in the 60 Minutes report from a couple years ago btw.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBtMbBPzqHY

  19. #46
    I'm from the government and I'm here to tell you the truth.

    Trust Me.

  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    I'm from the government and I'm here to tell you the truth.

    Trust Me.
    Yeah right. They've been hiding the truth since July 8, 1947 at least.

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    https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/sta...01497972670466





    Last edited by acptulsa; 07-27-2023 at 05:46 AM.

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    This page has links to .PDF copies of the witness testimonies (opening statements) from the hearing:

    https://oversight.house.gov/hearing/...-transparency/

  25. #51
    It is obvious lies. None of the names and testimonies of actual first-hand witnesses are being brought forth.

    This is a psyop. The true owners of these technologies have zero intention to share them with the populations
    of the world. They will lie point blank to Congress because Congress is not part of their regime. JFK knew this when
    the CIA was putting all new people into Roswell in 1947. He demanded answers (as the junior Senator from MA) but
    was not given them. The metallic balls are the same as the foo fighters over Germany. The men who run these UFO's
    can get away with telling people it's aliens because nobody has access not even the POTUS.

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    https://twitter.com/LPMisesCaucus/st...46103243317248

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    "An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.

    "To learn who rules over you simply find out who you arent allowed to criticize."

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    So they can build a ship capable of intergalactic travel, but somehow crash them repeatedly just flying around in the atmosphere on our planet? And then just allow humans to take things from their crash site? Seems unlikely. Nobody from the government is saying extraterrestrial. It's always non-human. So interdimensional or a previously undisclosed race on earth seems more likely where this story is going.

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    Here, I'll fix this part for you...

    • 1933 NAZI craft recovered in Italy by Mussolini's forces was intercepted by the US in "1944 OR 1945" - AFTER MUSSOLINI WAS KILLED AND ITALY WAS NO LONGER AXIS. Grusch was unsure, so this lines up with a historical anachronism. We can assume 1945, aligned with history. END OF THE NON-HIDDEN WAR Grusch showcased a hand-written memo in Italian that also contained small drawings at the bottom as proof.
    • The Vatican informed the US OSS/CIA of what the Italian government RUN BY OSS/CIA had in its possession. The Vatican helped suppress this find. VATICAN AGREED NOT TO TELL WORLD NAZIS MADE THE SAUCERS AND WERE STILL IN SOUTH AMERICA AND ANTARCTICA This means, The Vatican does indeed know NHI (NON-HUMAN INTELLIGENCE) NAZIS STILL exist and is actively THREATENED BY US covering this up.



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    https://twitter.com/ThatmattersNews/...83503534424064


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    And it just so happens that the aliens who travelled a bazillion light years to reach us are globalist communists.
    "I shall bring justice to Westeros. Every man shall reap what he has sown, from the highest lord to the lowest gutter rat. They have made my kingdom bleed, and I do not forget that."
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    https://twitter.com/beinlibertarian/...23780060397808


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    ...
    This behind-the-scenes peek at Grusch’s visit to Washington is part of “Close Encounters of the Human Kind,” a documentary by Kandil, who stars with Michels as confidants to Grusch in the days before and after his visit to Congress. ...

    The documentary’s subtitle is “7 Days With The Man Claiming Aliens Exist (under oath in congress),” although Grusch’s purported knowledge is secondhand and he has offered no hard evidence in public. To Kandil, this is sort of beside the point.

    “Our audience responds the most to moments of humanity,” said Kandil, in an interview Saturday with The Washington Post, the day before the documentary was uploaded into the feeds of Yes Theory’s 8.5 million subscribers, ...
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/be...ll/ar-AA1hKiMB





    Start at around the 7 minute mark if you want to skip the very long intro.

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