Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast
Results 31 to 60 of 84

Thread: Capitol police shut down Christian children's choir singing national anthem. "Too offensive".

  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Kind of sounds like how we ended up in Afghanistan for 20 years. Please explain why I'm wrong for thinking that.
    I don't think you are.

    It should have stayed a maritime issue and a maritime fight, over the rights of sailors not to be enslaved by a hostile foreign power on the high seas.

    That phrase was the rallying cry for the war as a matter of fact:

    Free Trade and Sailors’ Rights

    The nation was still angry at the British over the 1807 USS Chesapeake - HMS Leopard incident as well.

    The slow communications of the day, led to the Canadian invasion after the treaty was agreed to.

    That was also the reason for Andrew Jackson's attack and brilliant, but utterly meaningless victory in the Battle of New Orleans.

    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan



  2. Remove this section of ads by registering.
  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Cops do. And we've both seen it.
    True.

    Possibly. But is that "douchiness" rooted in racism or making an overtly racist remark?

    No, not at all.
    You are entitled to your opinion. I disagree.

    The "pay" was next to nothing, worse than prison pay. Prize money was often never paid out. And most of the press ganged men, died, long before being discharged or released.
    They got paid more than the people F.S. Key threatened in his song.

    Because a formal declaration of war was passed, legally and constitutionally.

    Not a weak sauce "AUMF".

    Now, that does not mean it was strategically smart, nor morally justified.

    I never made those points, just that it was constitutionally justified.
    LOL. I'm going to channel my inner @PAF here. Somehow the fact that a stupid and immoral decision was constitutional made it not as bad? Ummm...nope. Alcohol prohibition was 100% constitutional.

    Monroe could have handled things better.
    Agreed.

    These were British ships-of-line, the best, most heavily armed, fastest and heavily crewed vessels on the sea.

    There is not the room, the crew or the supplies that would fit on a merchant vessel or whaling vessel of the time that could defend against a British warship of the day.
    And yet...the U.S. won its most significant battles at sea. Not on land.

    At the turn of the 19th century for example, a typical long range whaling vessel was only 100 to 120 feet long with a crew of thirty or so and every square inch was taken with supplies, casks, tools, men and longboats for the purpose of hunting whales. Many vessels already carried a swivel gun, small arms and maybe a "Long Nine" but these were more for use against pirates and hostile natives.

    Letters of Marque were not a sure thing either.
    Better than what we actually did. And again, the sea is where the U.S. actually stood toe to toe with Britain. Okay, send some Navy vessels to escort the merchant marine ships until the Brits decided it wasn't worth it and go get their sailors elsewhere and/or tell the Brits they could buy all the southern slaves they wanted and teach them to be sailors. Problem solved without a stupid war trying to take Canada from Canadians that didn't want anything to do with us just because we were mad at there overlords in Britain. And the biggest gripe we had against Britain, which was the trade restrictions and not the sailor impress issue you're trying to make the main issue, was solved before the fighting started.

    Nice song! Always love acapella music. Was this a sea chanty?
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



  4. Remove this section of ads by registering.
  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I don't think you are.

    It should have stayed a maritime issue and a maritime fight, over the rights of sailors not to be enslaved by a hostile foreign power on the high seas.

    That phrase was the rallying cry for the war as a matter of fact:

    Free Trade and Sailors’ Rights

    The nation was still angry at the British over the 1807 USS Chesapeake - HMS Leopard incident as well.

    The slow communications of the day, led to the Canadian invasion after the treaty was agreed to.

    That was also the reason for Andrew Jackson's attack and brilliant, but utterly meaningless victory in the Battle of New Orleans.

    Okay. I SMILE every time I hear that song. Just can't help it.

    Love the Lego version.

    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Nice song! Always love acapella music. Was this a sea chanty?
    Yes it's in the "style" of a shanty, written in the modern era by the late, great Stan Rogers.



    Take a listen to these guys: The Longest Johns.

    I am prepared to fly to England to see them, they are that good.

    An a capella musical rendition of Robert Louis Stevenson's poem "Christmas At Sea".

    Having just had my mother and father both die fairly recently, the last line hits home hard now.



    If you like this, search on YouTube "The Longest Johns - Made of Ale" sessions.

    My top five personal recommendations for the group, excluding the song listed above:

    1 - Bones in the Ocean

    2 - Hog Eye Man

    3 - Hard Times Come Again No More

    4 - The Mary Ellen Carter

    5 - Four Hours (my entire life was spent in four hour blocks at sea, until it broke me)
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 06-03-2023 at 10:04 PM.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Double Secret Really Extra Hard Voting?
    Is there any other kind?
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 06-03-2023 at 10:04 PM.

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Is there any other kind?
    No, comrade, there is not.

    DoublePlusGood
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    And the biggest gripe we had against Britain, which was the trade restrictions and not the sailor impress issue you're trying to make the main issue, was solved before the fighting started.
    1 - The sailor impressment was a major issue at the time, and the historical record shows that. Granted, I'm biased, considering my background.

    2 - Nobody knew that, due to the slow communications.

    3 - I still maintain that nothing Key wrote, in the third verse or anywhere, could be construed in any way as "racist". No race was mentioned at all. I've gone to great lengths to show that an impressed sailor in the British fleet was, for all intents and purposes, a slave. Since impressed seamen were actively involved in the battle of Fort McHenry, how do you know Key was not referring to them? Or to both?
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    1 - The sailor impressment was a major issue at the time, and the historical record shows that. Granted, I'm biased, considering my background.

    2 - Nobody knew that, due to the slow communications.

    3 - I still maintain that nothing Key wrote, in the third verse or anywhere, could be construed in any way as "racist". No race was mentioned at all. I've gone to great lengths to show that an impressed sailor in the British fleet was, for all intents and purposes, a slave. Since impressed seamen were actively involved in the battle of Fort McHenry, how do you know Key was not referring to them? Or to both?
    Oh I'm sure sailor impressment carried great emotional weight but it had far less effect on the entire country. It's like how the for African Americans who got kidnapped by the Mexican drug cartel was a bigger story than all of the people dying every day from fentanyl. You had Republicans threatening to invade Mexico. And I'm sure the families of the two survivors were appreciative of the pressure because the cartel returned the captives pretty quickly after the public pressure and even turned over some patsies...I mean "kidnappers."

    As for the verse not mentioning a race....ummm....seriously that's your argument? By that time white slavery had been abolished in the U.S. I even remember reading about a southern town that almost rioted because they thought a very light skinned black slave was actually white.

    As for the slow communication part, it came after the war was declared but before the invasion of Canada. This would be like the U.S. declaring war on Mexico, not knowing the kidnapped victims were freed, and then finding out they were freed and going along with the invasion anyway. A SEAL Team Six extraction of the kidnapped victims would have been justified. A full on invasion, not so much.

    Look at this from the point of view of the individual Canadian frontiersman who's now defending his home from U.S. invaders over something he had nothing to do with. I can see killing British sailors trying to board U.S. ships. But killing Canadian frontiersman over British sailors boarding U.S. ships? Yeah...not buying that.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Yes it's in the "style" of a shanty, written in the modern era by the late, great Stan Rogers.



    Take a listen to these guys: The Longest Johns.

    I am prepared to fly to England to see them, they are that good.

    An a capella musical rendition of Robert Louis Stevenson's poem "Christmas At Sea".

    Having just had my mother and father both die fairly recently, the last line hits home hard now.



    If you like this, search on YouTube "The Longest Johns - Made of Ale" sessions.

    My top five personal recommendations for the group, excluding the song listed above:

    1 - Bones in the Ocean

    2 - Hog Eye Man

    3 - Hard Times Come Again No More

    4 - The Mary Ellen Carter

    5 - Four Hours (my entire life was spent in four hour blocks at sea, until it broke me)
    Thanks for sharing! My first (and only really) exposure to the merchant marines was that episode of Taxi where one of the cabbies temporarily joined them. This was their "sea chanty."

    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    As for the slow communication part, it came after the war was declared but before the invasion of Canada. This would be like the U.S. declaring war on Mexico, not knowing the kidnapped victims were freed, and then finding out they were freed and going along with the invasion anyway. A SEAL Team Six extraction of the kidnapped victims would have been justified. A full on invasion, not so much.

    Look at this from the point of view of the individual Canadian frontiersman who's now defending his home from U.S. invaders over something he had nothing to do with. I can see killing British sailors trying to board U.S. ships. But killing Canadian frontiersman over British sailors boarding U.S. ships? Yeah...not buying that.
    Well, all we're arguing about here is war strategy.

    Was it handled wrong by Madison and his generals, yes, I acknowledged that already.

    I'm not anti war so much as I am anti arbitrary force with no proper legal oversight and no end in sight.

    I would have no problem with a Congressional declaration of war against Mexico for the invasion on our border.

    Nor would I against Communist China for the millions dead from the China Virus.

    The armed enslavement of thousands of US citizens on the high seas by the British is an act of war as far as I'm concerned.

    As for the verse not mentioning a race....ummm....seriously that's your argument? By that time white slavery had been abolished in the U.S. I even remember reading about a southern town that almost rioted because they thought a very light skinned black slave was actually white.
    I'm not following you here...

    Look, even if Key meant by "slave" specifically African slaves, I still do not find the line inherently racist in any way.

    He not singling out any particular group, he is wishing defeat on the enemies of his country, including those assisting them.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan



  13. Remove this section of ads by registering.
  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Thanks for sharing! My first (and only really) exposure to the merchant marines was that episode of Taxi where one of the cabbies temporarily joined them. This was their "sea chanty."

    Now that made me laugh

    It was good to see Mr Fudderman from Gremlins again
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

  15. #42
    OK, now back on the rails...

    Bottom line: the kids and the choir leader were telling the truth, and the cops were lying through their teeth.

    They had written permission all along from both of their congressmen and the speaker of the house, to perform.


    Children’s Choir Singing National Anthem Silenced by Capitol Police

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...apitol-police/

    ELAINE MALLON 4 Jun 2023

    Capitol police silenced a South Carolina children’s choir during their rendition of the National Anthem in National Statuary Hall.

    David Rasbach, the founder and director of the Rushingbrook Children’s Choir, had received prior written approval from three congressman — including Speaker of the House Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) — to perform five songs at the Capitol on Friday, May 26, the Daily Signal reported.

    Micah Rea, founder and principal of The Rea Group and organizer of the trip, said the group received written approval from South Carolina Republican Reps. William Timmons and Joe Wilson. In addition, he had a staffer from Rep. Wilson’s office to confirm it was still approved.

    Upon arriving at the Capitol that day, the choir from Greenville, South Carolina, was momentarily stopped by Andrew Tremel, the visitor operations manager at the Architect of the Capitol, but he allowed them to continue once he received approval through his earbud, the Western Journal reported.

    But before the choir could finish the fourth verse of the National Anthem, a female officer instructed a staffer to tell Rasbach to end the performnance.

    Video footage shows the officer talking with the staffer for more than 30 seconds. When he proceeds to walk away, she taps him on the shoulder, prompting him to shut down the perfromance.

    “I was shocked, I was dismayed, I was stunned,” Rasbach told the Daily Signal. “I couldn’t believe that was happening, that they would stop the National Anthem of all songs.”

    Rabach said the officer told him that the demonstration was not allowed and that people complained about its offensiveness.

    In an email to the Daily Signal, the Capitol Police denied the claim that it was shut down because people were offended.

    Capitol Police said, “Recently somebody posted a video of a children’s choir singing the Star-Spangled Banner in the U.S. Capitol Building and wrongfully claimed we stopped the performance because it ‘might offend someone'”:

    Of course, because the singers in this situation were children, our officers were reasonable and allowed the children to finish their beautiful rendition of the Star-Spangled Banner. … The Congressional staff member who was accompanying the group knew the rules, yet lied to the officers multiple times about having permission from various offices. The staffer put both the choir and our officers, who were simply doing their jobs, in an awkward and embarrassing position.

    Rea and Rabach both called this an outright lie.

    “That’s a bald-faced lie,” Rea, told the Daily Signal. “You can see clearly in the video, they literally stopped him before they finished singing ‘The Star-Spangled Banner.’”

    Capitol Police later released a statement apologizing for the miscommuniation in a statement to Newsweek.

    “Although popup demonstrations and musical performances are not allowed in the U.S. Capitol without the proper approval, due to a miscommunication, the U.S Capitol Police were not aware that the Speaker’s Office had approved this performance,” the statement read.

    However, that is simply not true. On March 29, a group of 80 pastors sang in the Rotunda
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Double Secret Really Extra Hard Voting?
    Jer. 11:18-20. "The Kingdom of God has come upon you." -- Matthew 12:28

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Well, all we're arguing about here is war strategy.

    Was it handled wrong by Madison and his generals, yes, I acknowledged that already.

    I'm not anti war so much as I am anti arbitrary force with no proper legal oversight and no end in sight.

    I would have no problem with a Congressional declaration of war against Mexico for the invasion on our border.

    Nor would I against Communist China for the millions dead from the China Virus.

    The armed enslavement of thousands of US citizens on the high seas by the British is an act of war as far as I'm concerned.



    I'm not following you here...

    Look, even if Key meant by "slave" specifically African slaves, I still do not find the line inherently racist in any way.

    He not singling out any particular group, he is wishing defeat on the enemies of his country, including those assisting them.
    Whoopie Goldberg infamously said the Holocaust was not about racism. In a way she has a point similar to the one you're making. Hitler had a reason to consider Jews "Enemies of the state." There is an article I read decades ago on the pro-Jewish, pro-Zionist website jewishvirtualhistory.org titled "Could we have stopped Hitler." That article admits that prior to World War 2 there was an organized international boycott of Germany by Jews who saw Hitler as dangerous. The Zionists conspired with the Hitler to undermine the boycott in exchange for Hitler allowing more German Jewish emigration to Palestine. I look at this as undermining the legitimacy of Zionism as they would sell out their own. But of friend of my, who's ethnic Mexican, had a different take. He viewed the boycott as an act of war and concluded this justified rounding up Jews and putting them in concentration camps. (That literally blew my mind.)

    So really all of this comes down to statism and collectivism versus individualism. From the "state" point of view, almost anything can be justified to ensure the "state" continues, thrives and propagates. Slaves might act in their own interest and against the state? Threaten them with death! Jews might act in their own interest and undermine the state? Set up the concentration camps! Anti vaxxers and pro gunners might threaten the state? Well....I think you can see where that goes.

    Anyhow, above the state, above my race, above my family, is God. And I truly believe God's hand was with Canada in repelling the U.S. invasion. Andrew Jackson invaded and took Florida to prevent escaped slaves from having a haven there. But Canada remained a haven for escaped slaves as it did not respect the "fugitive slave law." The U.S. Civil War was our nations bloodiest. I believe it was God's punishment on the South for having slaves and God's punishment on the North for complicity with slavery. If you disagree you can take that up with God when we both get to heaven.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Well, it is still the national anthem, all four verses of Key's poem.

    It has not been memory holed yet.

    And my point still stands: you think they would have shut down those other choirs I mentioned for singing all of the national anthem?

    That said, unlike, say, the roads built and designed by Robert Moses, that we discussed once before, I see no overtly "racist" line in the second verse (or any verse).

    I'm assuming this is the line in question, which is actually in the third verse:

    Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution!
    No refuge could save the hireling and slave
    From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave


    "Their blood", in this context, are American soldiers.

    "Their foul footsteps", are the steps of the invading British troops.

    Key is saying, in his patriotic fervor, that the fight that his fellow country men gave the British, will defeat them, and will not save their mercenaries or hired slaves.

    There is nothing racist about that statement.

    Complete version of "The Star-Spangled Banner" showing spelling and punctuation
    from Francis Scott Key's manuscript in the Maryland Historical Society collection.


    O say can you see, by the dawn's early light,
    What so proudly we hail'd at the twilight's last gleaming,
    Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight
    O'er the ramparts we watch'd were so gallantly streaming?
    And the rocket's red glare, the bomb bursting in air,
    Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there,
    O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

    On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep
    Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
    What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
    As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
    Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
    In full glory reflected now shines in the stream,
    'Tis the star-spangled banner - O long may it wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

    And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
    That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
    A home and a Country should leave us no more?
    Their blood has wash'd out their foul footstep's pollution.
    No refuge could save the hireling and slave
    From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
    And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

    O thus be it ever when freemen shall stand
    Between their lov'd home and the war's desolation!
    Blest with vict'ry and peace may the heav'n rescued land
    Praise the power that hath made and preserv'd us a nation!
    Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
    And this be our motto - "In God is our trust,"
    And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.




    Let me ask you this: We both have sons who are young men now.

    If Volodymyr Zelenskyy sent armed troops out all across America, and in every town and city started randomly dragging off in chains, randomly chosen young men of a fighting age, the same age as our sons, and then shipped them off to fight as conscripts in the Russian - Ukrainian war, under threat of death, would you consider it an act of war?

    Because that is what the British had been doing to our merchant seamen and fishermen, by the thousands, for years up until the war.

    Congress lawfully declared war for that reason and the economic reasons that went along with it, and as a strategy of war, then invaded Canada, to hopefully use that as a bargaining chip to force the British to acquiesce to our demands.

    One of the primary ones being: the cessation of enslaving seamen
    Let me ask you. If a bunch of Dutch farmers moved into New Hampshire, kicked you off your land and killed anyone who resisted, and if when the American government tried to make them stop they rebelled and declared "independence" like the Dutch Boers did to the British, how would you feel about the Boers? Then, years later, they quit oppressing you directly...but didn't give back your family farm?

    Oh, and just a couple of generations after the war of 1812 both sides in the U.S. Civil war started using conscription and the South started conscription first. So that whole "We had to invade Canada to stop the British draft" rational is pretty thin.
    Last edited by jmdrake; 08-04-2023 at 12:03 PM.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Let me ask you. If a bunch of Dutch farmers moved into New Hampshire, kicked you off your land and killed anyone who resisted, and if when the American government tried to make them stop they rebelled and declared "independence" like the Dutch Boers did to the British, how would you feel about the Boers? Then, years later, they quit oppressing you directly...but didn't give back your family farm?
    I'd be pissed and I'd be singing songs of rebellion and slaughter of my enemies and I would want to do so.

    Own it.

    I know a song of genocide when I hear one.

    It is what it is...don't blame me for sounding the alarm.

    If Julius Malema gains power next year in South Africa, every white person in the country will be in mortal danger.

    https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/stat...38493696704513

    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 08-04-2023 at 01:53 PM.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

  20. #47
    And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
    That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
    A home and a Country should leave us no more?
    Their blood has wash'd out their foul footstep's pollution.
    No refuge could save the hireling and slave
    From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
    And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
    And I maintain there is nothing at all racist in that verse.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I'd be pissed and I'd be singing songs of rebellion and slaughter of my enemies and I would want to do so.

    Own it.

    I know a song of genocide when I hear one.

    It is what it is...don't blame me for sounding the alarm.

    If Julius Malema gains power next year in South Africa, every white person in the country will be in mortal danger.

    https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/stat...38493696704513

    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    And I maintain there is nothing at all racist in that verse.
    You are free to defend racist lyrics all you want. But compare apples to apples. Not all white people are Boers or farmers just like not all black people are hirelings or slaves. There was a particular context to when the "hireling or slaves" lyrics. I don't think it was justified but I get it. There was also a particular context to the "kill the Boer, kill the farmer" lyrics when they were written. You don't think it was justified but I think you get it. The question for 2023 is are either set of lyrics justified now i 2023? Seriously, why would anybody sing the second verse of the national anthem now?
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



  22. Remove this section of ads by registering.
  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    The question for 2023 is are either set of lyrics justified now i 2023? Seriously, why would anybody sing the second verse of the national anthem now?
    Now that's a whole 'nother question.

    Why would you sing any verses of the national anthem in 2023?

    Nothing good was ever accomplished here...the history of this country is nothing but an endless bloody litany of white oppressions, white crimes, white sins and white atrocities committed by my fathers, that I and all my posterity, for the rest of all time, must spend atoning for.

    Why glorify in song any of that?

    And even if that wasn't the case, certainly we are not free nor brave in any sense of the words anymore.

    Those lyrics are just a cruel mockery.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 08-04-2023 at 10:06 PM.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

  24. #50
    @jmdrake

    I answered your question here in this thread a couple of days ago.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I'd be pissed and I'd be singing songs of rebellion and slaughter of my enemies and I would want to do so.

    Own it.

    I know a song of genocide when I hear one.

    It is what it is...don't blame me for sounding the alarm.

    If Julius Malema gains power next year in South Africa, every white person in the country will be in mortal danger.

    https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/stat...38493696704513

    You understand that just like not every hireling was black, not all white people, even in South Africa, were "Boers" or farmers right? It's odd that you are able to see nuance in one context and not see it in another context. Very odd. Oh, and for the record, the "Jewish" people who listed as funding the EFF are....drum roll please....white.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    @jmdrake

    I answered your question here in this thread a couple of days ago.
    Yeah. I know you did. And I've used that answer against your argument in the other thread. Racism is racism. Threatening black slaves is just as racist as threatening white farmers. You can't have it both ways.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Threatening black slaves is just as racist as threatening white farmers. You can't have it both ways.
    You can, if at the time the lyric was written, there were still Irish in indentured servitude.

    Jesus. Wokism has us unable to sing a damned song unless we have a doctorate in history. Can't we all just chill out, bury the ugly days of our barbarous ancestors (as Jefferson described his own slave-owning self) and live?

    "Can't we all just get along?"--Rodney King

  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You can, if at the time the lyric was written, there were still Irish in indentured servitude.

    Jesus. Wokism has us unable to sing a damned song unless we have a doctorate in history. Can't we all just chill out, bury the ugly days of our barbarous ancestors (as Jefferson described his own slave-owning self) and live?

    "Can't we all just get along?"--Rodney King
    An indentured servant is not the same as a slave. Not even kind of. The children of indentured servants didn't automatically become indentured servants. The servitude ended once you worked off your contract. It wasn't that far removed from apprenticeships.

    Edit: And this isn't about "wokism." It's about context. Everything has context. The South African "kill the Boer" song has context and the Star Spangled Banner has context. I'm 56. I think I was 50 before I even knew there was a second verse! I bet most black people don't even know about the second verse. Why sing it? Nobody has answered that question.
    Last edited by jmdrake; 08-06-2023 at 08:00 AM.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Yeah. I know you did. And I've used that answer against your argument in the other thread. Racism is racism. Threatening black slaves is just as racist as threatening white farmers. You can't have it both ways.
    The "slaves" that Key wrote about, and that you are referring to, were no longer agricultural slaves.

    They had been conscripted into the British Army, carried arms and waged war against the soldiers and civilians of young America.

    Key was a patriot and wished death and defeat on his country's enemies.

    People used to think that way, you know.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    An indentured servant is not the same as a slave. Not even kind of.
    True. The ones who were conscripted were far more likely to die a gruesome death than any cotton picker. Plantation owners were more protective of their property than sergeants were of their indentured draftees.

    And I don't know. I've always had a Jehovah's Witness kind of attitude toward pieces of colorful cloth, and hymns too. Can't sing anyway and I've been ready to shuck off Washington D.C. and their colorful flag too for years now. So I don't even sing the first verse.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 08-06-2023 at 08:07 AM.



  31. Remove this section of ads by registering.
  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    You understand that just like not every hireling was black, not all white people, even in South Africa, were "Boers" or farmers right? It's odd that you are able to see nuance in one context and not see it in another context. Very odd.
    I'm certain that did not or does not matter to either Key or Malema.

    Oh, and for the record, the "Jewish" people who listed as funding the EFF are....drum roll please....white.
    Yes they are, LOL...like this is news to me.

    The Chosen Ones have been using blacks as their Bolshevik "muscle" for over half a century now.

    If you watched all of Malema's speech, you'd hear him extol of the virtues of queeerness and pledge unlimited support for the alphabet freak show.

    This is why I think a separation is in order. It's all upside for the black diaspora in America. No more flabby, tattooed white weirdosexuals grooming your kids into queeerdom, for starters.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    The "slaves" that Key wrote about, and that you are referring to, were no longer agricultural slaves.

    They had been conscripted into the British Army, carried arms and waged war against the soldiers and civilians of young America.
    Simply not true. The "slaves" referred to people who might choose to join the British army in exchange for their freedom. They were "conscripted." They volunteered. About 20,000 did. Key didn't want them volunteering.

    Key was a patriot and wished death and defeat on his country's enemies.

    People used to think that way, you know.
    And when the "kill the Boer" song was written, the Boer farmers, not all white people, were the enemies of "patriots" in South Africa. And the question that you refuse to address is why sing the 2nd verse of the Star Spangled Banner in 2023? And don't give the cop out answer you gave earlier. A real answer for black people who still waive the American flag and don't hate America. Why bring forward the second verse that most Americans don't even know exist? Like, what the hell?
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    And I don't know. I've always had a Jehovah's Witness kind of attitude toward pieces of colorful cloth, and hymns too. Can't sing anyway and I've been ready to shuck off Washington D.C. and their colorful flag too for years now. So I don't even sing the first verse.
    See, there you go, exactly the point I was making.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Now that's a whole 'nother question.

    Why would you sing any verses of the national anthem in 2023?

    Nothing good was ever accomplished here...the history of this country is nothing but an endless bloody litany of white oppressions, white crimes, white sins and white atrocities committed by my fathers, that I and all my posterity, for the rest of all time, must spend atoning for.

    Why glorify in song any of that?

    And even if that wasn't the case, certainly we are not free nor brave in any sense of the words anymore.

    Those lyrics are just a cruel mockery.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I'm certain that did not or does not matter to either Key or Malema.



    Yes they are, LOL...like this is news to me.

    The Chosen Ones have been using blacks as their Bolshevik "muscle" for over half a century now.

    If you watched all of Malema's speech, you'd hear him extol of the virtues of queeerness and pledge unlimited support for the alphabet freak show.

    This is why I think a separation is in order. It's all upside for the black diaspora in America. No more flabby, tattooed white weirdosexuals grooming your kids into queeerdom, for starters.
    Okay. Send everybody back to their continent of origin. And quit exploiting OPCs (other people's continents). I'm sure there's a nice mountaintop in Scotland for ye. Of course...that's not going to happen. You're not even given Texas back to the Aztecs. (I think everybody's giving up on California anyway).
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast


Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 17
    Last Post: 05-02-2022, 06:55 AM
  2. San Fran Gay Men's Choir: "We're coming for your children"
    By Anti Federalist in forum U.S. Political News
    Replies: 29
    Last Post: 07-10-2021, 11:45 PM
  3. "Capitol Police Officer Dies After Injuries at Trump Riot"
    By enhanced_deficit in forum U.S. Political News
    Replies: 17
    Last Post: 04-19-2021, 10:56 PM
  4. Replies: 23
    Last Post: 04-24-2019, 12:13 AM
  5. Replies: 1
    Last Post: 06-29-2017, 03:31 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •