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    US Is Coming After Funds Raised By Jan 6th Defendants

    Jan. 6 rioters are raking in thousands in donations. Now the US is coming after their haul

    Less than two months after he pleaded guilty to storming the U.S. Capitol, Texas resident Daniel Goodwyn appeared on Tucker Carlson’s then-Fox News show and promoted a website where supporters could donate money to Goodwyn and other rioters whom the site called “political prisoners.”

    The Justice Department now wants Goodwyn to give up more than $25,000 he raised — a clawback that is part of a growing effort by the government to prevent rioters from being able to personally profit from participating in the attack that shook the foundations of American democracy.

    An Associated Press review of court records shows that prosecutors in the more than 1,000 criminal cases from Jan. 6, 2021, are increasingly asking judges to impose fines on top of prison sentences to offset donations from supporters of the Capitol rioters.

    Dozens of defendants have set up online fundraising appeals for help with legal fees, and prosecutors acknowledge there’s nothing wrong with asking for help for attorney expenses. But the Justice Department has, in some cases, questioned where the money is really going because many of those charged have had government-funded legal representation.

    Most of the fundraising efforts appear on GiveSendGo, which bills itself as “The #1 Free Christian Fundraising Site” and has become a haven for Jan. 6 defendants barred from using mainstream crowdfunding sites, including GoFundMe, to raise money. The rioters often proclaim their innocence and portray themselves as victims of government oppression, even as they cut deals to plead guilty and cooperate with prosecutors.

    Their fundraising success suggests that many people in the United States still view Jan. 6 rioters as patriots and cling to the baseless belief that Democrats stole the 2020 presidential election from Donald Trump. The former president himself has fueled that idea, pledging to pardon rioters if he is elected.

    Markus Maly, a Virginia man scheduled to be sentenced next month for assaulting police at the Capitol, raised more than $16,000 from an online campaign that described him as a “January 6 P.O.W.” and asked for money for his family. Prosecutors have requested a $16,000-plus fine, noting that Maly had a public defender and did not owe any legal fees.

    “He should not be able to use his own notoriety gained in the commission of his crimes to ‘capitalize’ on his participation in the Capitol breach in this way,” a prosecutor wrote in court papers.

    So far this year, prosecutors have sought more than $390,000 in fines against at least 21 riot defendants, in amounts ranging from $450 to more than $71,000, according to the AP’s tally.

    Judges have imposed at least $124,127 in fines against 33 riot defendants this year. In the previous two years, judges ordered more than 100 riot defendants to collectively pay more than $240,000 in fines.
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    Of course they are. Their goal is to make sure those people never see the light of day again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Of course they are. Their goal is to make sure those people never see the light of day again.
    Yup.

    I'm frankly surprised they are not arresting the families of these politicals like they used to do in the old Soviet Union.

    Or do today in Communist China
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    Woodward and Bernstein said, follow the money.

    Government merely steals the money.
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    [...] the attack that shook the foundations of American democracy.
    LOL - they did the meme: American democracy was "literally shaking".

    [P]rosecutors in the more than 1,000 criminal cases from Jan. 6, 2021, are increasingly asking judges to impose fines on top of prison sentences to offset donations from supporters of the Capitol rioters.
    And when their supporters donate more in order to offset the offset - what then? Fine them again? And then again? And ... ?

    (Leave it to the government to indulge in self-masturbatory circle-jerks and call it "justice".)

    The rioters often proclaim their innocence and portray themselves as victims of government oppression, even as they cut deals to plead guilty and cooperate with prosecutors.
    Notice how these $#@!s never speak so cavalierly and contemptuously about things like "cut[ting] deals" when they occur in the context of progressive causes célèbre.

    Rather, in those cases, they criticize the power of prosecutors to intimidate defendants into "cut[ting] deals to plead guilty and cooperat[ing] with prosecutors".

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    “[Nathaniel DeGrave raised money on claims of being a political prisoner] despite seeking to cooperate with the government and admitting he and his co-conspirators were guilty since at least November 2021,” a prosecutor wrote.

    Lawyer William Shipley, who has represented DeGrave and more than two dozen other Jan. 6 defendants, said he advises clients to avoid raising money under the auspices of being a political prisoner if they intend to plead guilty.

    Until they admit they committed a crime, they’re perfectly entitled to shout from the rooftops that the only reason they’re being held is because of politics,” Shipley said. “It’s just First Amendment political speech.”
    And they are perfectly entitled to go right on doing so, even after any "cooperation" or "admission". Entirely regardless of whether one agrees that the J6 defendants are actually "political prisoners", the meaning of the concept denoted by the term "political prisoner" is not in any way contingent upon whether prosecutors induced "cooperation" and/or extracted "admissions" from defendants. (Otherwise, by the same "logic", those who pleaded "guilty" in Soviet and Maoist show-trials can't be described as "political prisoners", either - and that's just blatantly and egregiously absurd.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Yup.

    I'm frankly surprised they are not arresting the families of these politicals like they used to do in the old Soviet Union.

    Or do today in Communist China
    Or today in Germany.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Of course they are. Their goal is to make sure those people never see the light of day again.
    Exactly. While they try to repeat the message..

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    Where in the bill of rigts is the govt authority to wipe out peoples bank accounts on whim ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    [T]he meaning of the concept denoted by the term "political prisoner" is not in any way contingent upon whether prosecutors induced "cooperation" and/or extracted "admissions" from defendants. (Otherwise, by the same "logic", those who pleaded "guilty" in Soviet and Maoist show-trials can't be described as "political prisoners", either - and that's just blatantly and egregiously absurd.)
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