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    Exclamation Our Biggest Threat

    Ron Paul Institute
    by jacob g. hornberger
    may 23, 2023




    Both liberals and conservatives are convinced that the biggest threat to our freedom and well-being lies with Russia and China. And, well, also the terrorists, Muslims, drug dealers, illegal immigrants, North Koreans, Cubans, Syrians, Vietnamese, communists, Reds, and others.

    They are wrong. The biggest threat to our freedom and well-being is our very own federal government, especially the national-security branch of the federal government.

    The Framers clearly understood this. That’s why the Constitution strictly limited the powers of federal officials.

    Our American ancestors also clearly understood this. That’s why they demanded the enactment of the Bill of Rights. They knew that the federal government would inevitably attract people who would destroy their fundamental, God-given rights of life, liberty, property, and the pursuit of happiness. With the Bill of Rights, they wanted to make it clear to all those future little federal power-mongers that they lacked the powers to engage in such destruction.

    No Russian and no Chinese has ever infringed upon my freedom. The same holds true for all the other things that scare liberals and conservatives to death (i.e, the terrorists, Muslims, illegal immigrants, drug dealers, Cubans, North Koreans, Vietnamese, commies, Reds, Syrians, etc.)

    The same can’t be said, of course, for the federal government. It not only has destroyed our freedom, it has also threatened our economic well-being with its out-of-control federal spending and debt as well as its decades of monetary debauchery. Currently, it is getting us perilously close to life-destroying nuclear war, just as it did back in 1962.

    Consider American socialism, which is best manifested by income taxation, Social Security, and Medicare, which are the crown jewels of America’s welfare-state way of life. Operating through the coercive and terrifying apparatus of the IRS, the feds forcibly take money from young people in order to give it to seniors. They say that socialism reflects our collective “care and compassion.” But freedom entails the right to keep everything you earn and decide for yourself what to do with it, with charity being totally voluntary.

    Consider the drug war. The feds punish people with criminal prosecution, incarceration, and fines for ingesting unapproved substances. Freedom entails the right to ingest whatever you want to ingest, no matter how harmful.

    Consider embargoes and sanctions. The feds punish Americans who travel to unapproved countries or enter into economic transactions with unapproved people. Freedom entails the right to travel wherever you want, associate with whomever you want, and trade with whomever you want.

    Consider the federal government’s socialist system of immigration controls. It has brought a police state to the American Southwest. A police state is the opposite of freedom. Freedom entails the right to cross any political border in search of a better life and to enter into mutually beneficial transactions with others.

    Consider the federal government’s trade wars and trade restrictions. They prohibit Americans from trading with foreigners. Freedom entails the right to trade with whomever you want.

    Consider America’s system of paper money and the Federal Reserve. It has resulted in decades of monetary debauchery that tax people in a fraudulent, surreptitious way. Freedom entails the right to use whatever money you wish to use.

    Consider the regulated economy. The minimum wage, for example, has locked countless people out of the labor market, such as black teenagers. Freedom entails the right to enter into any transaction with anyone on any mutually agreeable terms, including wages.

    Consider the Pentagon, the CIA, and the NSA. All three wield omnipotent powers, including torture, indefinite detention, mass secret surveillance, and assassination against both Americans and foreigners. No one living under a system of omnipotent government can ever be considered free.

    Consider the federal government’s policy of deadly and destructive foreign interventionism. It has produced an endless supply of people who hate Americans, which the feds use as an excuse for destroying our freedom in the name of keeping us “safe and secure.”

    What do Russia and China and all those other scary creatures have to do with all this? They provide a convenient way to divert the attention of the American people away from the real threat to their freedom and well-being.



    Reprinted with permission from Future of Freedom Foundation.


    http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives...iggest-threat/
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    no Chinese has ever infringed upon my freedom
    The Chinese communist government released a man made bioweapon virus that has, so far, killed over 1 million of your fellow citizens, is still killing people and may kill you one day.

    I'd say that was a pretty significant infringement of those people's freedom and all the rest of us as well.

    If our government was not shot full of traitors, Quislings, moles and wreckers, if it followed the constitution in any meaningful way, Congress would have declared open and unlimited warfare on the Chinese government 2 years ago.

    Yes, it is a significant portion of our problems.

    That does not mean there are not foreign enemies and actors who wish to see us destroyed.
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    The Chinese communist government released a man made bioweapon virus that has, so far, killed over 1 million of your fellow citizens, is still killing people and may kill you one day.

    I'd say that was a pretty significant infringement of those people's freedom and all the rest of us as well.

    If our government was not shot full of traitors, Quislings, moles and wreckers, if it followed the constitution in any meaningful way, Congress would have declared open and unlimited warfare on the Chinese government 2 years ago.

    Yes, it is a significant portion of our problems.

    That does not mean there are not foreign enemies and actors who wish to see us destroyed.

    My take is completely different.

    If our government was not shot full of traitors, Quislings, moles and wreckers, if it followed the constitution in any meaningful way, Congress never would have funded it in the first place, certainly not overseas.

    And then there's the jab, which the tax-payers funded too.

    I never cared for passing the buck or shifting blame. The word responsible still means something to me.
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    The End of All Evil ~ Jeremy Locke (free PDF download)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    The Chinese communist government released a man made bioweapon virus that has, so far, killed over 1 million of your fellow citizens, is still killing people and may kill you one day.

    I'd say that was a pretty significant infringement of those people's freedom and all the rest of us as well.

    If our government was not shot full of traitors, Quislings, moles and wreckers, if it followed the constitution in any meaningful way, Congress would have declared open and unlimited warfare on the Chinese government 2 years ago.

    Yes, it is a significant portion of our problems.

    That does not mean there are not foreign enemies and actors who wish to see us destroyed.
    The so-called "virus" has never been proven to exist. The man made bioweapon is the jab.

    The whole purpose was to scare people about a non-existent virus, call every illness "Covid", & then scare/force everyone into taking the shot.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    The whole purpose was to scare people about a non-existent virus, call every illness "Covid", & then scare/force everyone into taking the shot.
    There could be a weaponized cold. But it didn't make the flu disappear, so obviously it was overblown.

    Otherwise, yes. Exactly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    The so-called "virus" has never been proven to exist. The man made bioweapon is the jab.

    The whole purpose was to scare people about a non-existent virus, call every illness "Covid", & then scare/force everyone into taking the shot.
    Well, that's odd, because I had it.

    Put me in the hospital and came close to killing me.

    Call it Covid or CCP virus or what have you, I experienced symptoms unlike anything else I've ever experienced before.
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Well, that's odd, because I had it.

    Put me in the hospital and came close to killing me.

    Call it Covid or CCP virus or what have you, I experienced symptoms unlike anything else I've ever experienced before.

    I don't wish ill on anybody and it is unfortunate that you had something.

    But, is that what they told you? Or did you actually confirm/identify what you had yourself? Because from what I know, and it has been documented, claiming Covid on the form resulted in receiving $$$$$ from Fed.gov.


    IOW: I chipped in, and you took a handout
    Last edited by PAF; 05-24-2023 at 08:11 PM.
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    An Agorist Primer ~ Samuel Edward Konkin III (free PDF download)

    The End of All Evil ~ Jeremy Locke (free PDF download)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I don't wish ill on anybody and it is unfortunate that you had something.

    But, is that what they told you? Or did you actually confirm/identify what you had yourself? Because from what I know, and it has been documented, claiming Covid on the form resulted in receiving $$$$$ from Fed.gov.
    I'm not a doctor, but I do have some medical training, as part of my job, collateral duty included chief medical officer.

    I know I had symptoms unlike any I had before. I insisted on copies of medical records and x rays. The abnormalities in my lungs were different than what I was shown to look for in standard cases of flu or pneumonia.

    I still can't smell or taste quite right, but amazingly, nicotine, smoked as tobacco or in gum form, went a long way in helping that.

    So, I had something out of the ordinary that severely reduced lung capacity and oxygen saturation in the blood.

    I'm convinced my understanding of the creation, release, spread and response to this new pathogen is correct.

    IOW: I chipped in, and you took a handout
    So did I.

    That little misadventure cost me a fortune.
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    The so-called "virus" has never been proven to exist. The man made bioweapon is the jab.

    The whole purpose was to scare people about a non-existent virus, call every illness "Covid", & then scare/force everyone into taking the shot.
    I was personally sick by SOMETHING that had me unable to even sit up from more that 15 minutes straight. And I tested positive for this "made up virus." Granted the self test came back negative but I assume I did it wrong. No, I don't think I was suffering from 5G radiation poisoning. Within 2 days of taking magnesium citrate and crapping my bowels out I was back on my feet. (Thanks MD ex wife for the suggestion). No it wasn't the flu either. I've had the flu before. I've never been that sick with something in my life.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Our biggest threat is Indian Nazis who drive empty vans 5 MPH over security barriers.
    The wisdom of Swordy:

    On bringing the troops home
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They are coming home, all the naysayers said they would never leave Syria and then they said they were going to stay in Iraq forever.

    It won't take very long to get them home but it won't be overnight either but Iraq says they can't stay and they are coming home just like Trump said.

    On fighting corruption:
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump had to donate the "right way" and hang out with the "right people" in order to do business in NYC and Hollyweird and in order to investigate and expose them.
    Fascism Defined

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    My take is completely different.

    If our government was not shot full of traitors, Quislings, moles and wreckers, if it followed the constitution in any meaningful way, Congress never would have funded it in the first place, certainly not overseas.

    And then there's the jab, which the tax-payers funded too.

    I never cared for passing the buck or shifting blame. The word responsible still means something to me.
    The word responsible, meaning "response-able" holds everybody accountable. So that includes the American government who funded the research, the American researchers who did it, the Chinese researchers who collaborated and the Chinese government who covered up the lab leak. Yes. I wish America would quit doing technology transfers of all kinds to the CCP. We create our own enemies. I remember in college and graduate school in computer science having classes studying algorithms that were banned from export for national security reasons alongside people from the very countries that we didn't want to have that tech. In some cases they taught the classes. You ever wonder why Chinese stealth fighters look almost like a carbon copy of the F-22? Now we have CCP owned TikTok recommending U.S. teens commit suicide by its algorithm while teaching Chinese teens to be patriotic, love their families and accept traditional gender roles. The American version of TikTok would "cancel" the Chinese version of TikTok in a heartbeat. And yet the response from our so called leaders isn't to pressure Apple and Google to do to TikTok what it did to Gab, but rather an attempt at a complete power grab of all social media.

    Two things can be true a the same time. Or in this case 3 things. 1) the threat is real 2) the threat is manufactured by our own government 3) the reaction to the threat is worse than the threat. Same thing was true of Islamic extremism. Real threat, manufactured by our own government, and the "cure" was worse than the disease.


    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I don't wish ill on anybody and it is unfortunate that you had something.

    But, is that what they told you? Or did you actually confirm/identify what you had yourself? Because from what I know, and it has been documented, claiming Covid on the form resulted in receiving $$$$$ from Fed.gov.


    IOW: I chipped in, and you took a handout
    This all reminds me of the "there were no planes" sub genre of the 9/11 truth movement. Just because I believe the official story is complete BS doesn't mean I'm going with some "It was holograms everyone saw and space lasers took down the towers" theory either. The idea that the U.S. government has spent billions on bioweapons research only to somehow fake a worldwide pandemic that ultimately makes its own operatives (Dr. Fauci) look bad makes no sense. It just doesn't.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    The idea that the U.S. government has spent billions on bioweapons research only to somehow fake a worldwide pandemic that ultimately makes its own operatives (Dr. Fauci) look bad makes no sense. It just doesn't.
    By design. They decimated. They controlled. They profited. Not caring about who looks bad. That is what makes sense to me.
    ____________

    An Agorist Primer ~ Samuel Edward Konkin III (free PDF download)

    The End of All Evil ~ Jeremy Locke (free PDF download)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    By design. They decimated. They controlled. They profited. Not caring about who looks bad. That is what makes sense to me.
    Yes. I agree. And part of that design was a real pathogen that really made me, @Anti Federalist and others feel like crap. Was it worth shutting down the entire economy and kicking off "Operation Warp Speed?" It most certainly was not. Coronaviruses and rhinoviruses cause colds. I learned this the first month COVD became a thing right off the CDC website. So...we've got a souped up cold virus. Which means everything that we know about the common cold, namely there's no effective vaccine because the dog gone thing mutates too much and the best way to beat it is to simply use natural remedies to boost your immune system in general, always applied.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Which means everything that we know about the common cold, namely there's no effective vaccine because the dog gone thing mutates too much and the best way to beat it is to simply use natural remedies to boost your immune system in general, always applied.
    I've encountered more than one person who calls it an IQ test. But it did catch some intelligent people. Many, even. I remember talking to one a few years ago. None of the things we know and do about the common cold applies, he said with a straight face. It's a variation of the same thing that's completely different.

    Either this psyop was designed to cull the sheep and spare anti-authoritarians, or its design was surprisingly defective. A disease that's no picnic, bad enough to scare people, but hardly smallpox. A "vaccine" that's basically a medical experiment worthy of Mengele or Frankenstein. That's a recipe which could only be concocted by arrogant people trying to turn the world into the island for misfits in A Brave New World, or a big Galt's Gulch.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 05-25-2023 at 10:30 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    I've encountered more than one person who calls it an IQ test. But it did catch some intelligent people. Many, even. I remember talking to one a few years ago. None of the things we know and do about the common cold applies, he said with a straight face. It's a variation of the same thing that's completely different.

    Either this psyop was designed to cull the sheep and spare anti-authoritarians, or its design was surprisingly defective. A disease that's no picnic, bad enough to scare people, but hardly smallpox. A "vaccine" that's basically a medical experiment worthy of Mengele or Frankenstein. That's a recipe which could only be concocted by arrogant people trying to turn the world into the island for misfits in A Brave New World, or a big Galt's Gulch.
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to acptulsa again.

    Yep! One of the things I heard otherwise intelligent people say is "Don't do your own research." It's like they thought thinking was itself a crime.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to acptulsa again.

    Yep! One of the things I heard otherwise intelligent people say is "Don't do your own research." It's like they thought thinking was itself a crime.
    Touche’… many people I talk with in my daily life… thinking is a crime lol
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    The End of All Evil ~ Jeremy Locke (free PDF download)



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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    I've encountered more than one person who calls it an IQ test. But it did catch some intelligent people. Many, even. I remember talking to one a few years ago. None of the things we know and do about the common cold applies, he said with a straight face. It's a variation of the same thing that's completely different.

    Either this psyop was designed to cull the sheep and spare anti-authoritarians, or its design was surprisingly defective. A disease that's no picnic, bad enough to scare people, but hardly smallpox. A "vaccine" that's basically a medical experiment worthy of Mengele or Frankenstein. That's a recipe which could only be concocted by arrogant people trying to turn the world into the island for misfits in A Brave New World, or a big Galt's Gulch.
    It was a beta test.

    It was designed to see if the ruling classes around the globe could maintain power and control long enough for them to "get to the lifeboats" before the entire world went up in a blaze of death and plague.

    They very carefully watched and noted reaction times, pathogen spread worldwide, lockdown and supply chains effects and blowback.

    They will have their escape routes, hunker down times, supply chains and stores...all of it, will be carefully put in place over the next few years.

    In preparation for the real pathogen to be released.
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    It was a beta test.

    It was designed to see if the ruling classes around the globe could maintain power and control long enough for them to "get to the lifeboats" before the entire world went up in a blaze of death and plague.

    They very carefully watched and noted reaction times, pathogen spread worldwide, lockdown and supply chains effects and blowback.

    They will have their escape routes, hunker down times, supply chains and stores...all of it, will be carefully put in place over the next few years.

    In preparation for the real pathogen to be released.

    The Boy Who Cried Wolf. And then it happened. I still ain't taking a single f&cking thing that they "offer".
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    An Agorist Primer ~ Samuel Edward Konkin III (free PDF download)

    The End of All Evil ~ Jeremy Locke (free PDF download)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    The Boy Who Cried Wolf. And then it happened. I still ain't taking a single f&cking thing that they "offer".
    Nor should you.

    "The Cure" will be much worse than the disease this next go around.

    Even granting how bad "The Current Cure" is
    “Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee



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