LOL.. ya, because it also says they BROKE those policies.Originally Posted by TheCount
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
And what does it say should happen to the people who broke those policies?
I would say it amounts to Seditious Conspiracy to subvert the United States, I don't think anybody could logically argue against that.
As far as who is responsible and who should be charged, it's like the banking analogy I gave earlier.
Somebody dropped an empty duffle bag in front of the bank, somebody else picks it up and takes it into the bank, somebody else brings it up to the counter and asks the lady at the counter if anybody lost their bag, some other guy drops a folded note out of his pocket in front of the bank, somebody else brings the note inside the bank and puts it on the counter, somebody else puts the note on the bag. The lady at the counter reads the note, fills the bag with money. Somebody else comes in, takes the bag and drops it on the ground, somebody else takes the bag and puts it down next to the door, somebody else takes the bag out of the bank and drops it off in front of the bank, somebody else takes the bag and drops it on the sidewalk, and finally somebody picks up the bag on the sidewalk and drives off with it in their car.
Possibly, nobody individually broke the law, but the bank was just robbed, so.....
Funny how the Proud Boys send some text messages about their non-plans for what they wanna do at a protest/riot, before it becomes a protest/riot and they get charged with it.. they try to blame Trump who said numerous times the day before and the day of, during his speech, and tweeted shortly after numerous times to be peaceful and obey the Capitol Police, they are "our friends", but whenever Democrats pull off an op like this, that is a billion times worse, it's just like "Whoopsie!!! We're sowwwyy.. it was all just a big coincidence, we swear!"
Last edited by dannno; 05-19-2023 at 10:00 AM.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
You say lots of things.
What does the report say?
Radio Rothbard | Durham Report Exposes the FBI
Veteran investigative journalist James Bovard joins Ryan and Tho to talk about the Durham Report and what it tells us about the media and the FBI.
https://odysee.com/@mises:1/durham-r...oses-the-fbi:3
It called for the unification of Upper and Lower Canada and the introduction of responsible government. The British Parliament implemented the first point but not the second.
Oh wait, wrong Durham Report.. that was Lord Durham.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Who could be so stupid as to consider that a reflection on the whistle blowers?
That's their bosses admitting their own guilt.
https://twitter.com/shellenberger/st...51335707566080
"Trump was just a chuckle-headed sucker" is not an effective sales pitch.
"Trump was just a chuckle-headed sucker" is not an effective sales pitch.
"Trump was just a chuckle-headed sucker" is not an effective sales pitch.
That's a good start. So, what was it about Trump that so heavily motivated all these players to frame him? It surely can't be because "he's evil", because they love evil. "He's stupid" also doesn't work because you can't get into that much hot-water just by being stupid. They have much simpler methods for dealing with the stupid ones. So, if he's not stupid, and he's not evil, then?!
The Kingdom of God has come upon you. -- Matthew 12:28
So many reports, investigations, memes and stuff to click on! It must all be very important.
I'm sure Casey's quote about confusing the public matters not.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
Oh, no... did the mouthpieces that deliver your talking points mysteriously fail to mention the report's recommendations? At all?
I wonder why that might be...
I guess the answer to this:
Is no.
Good. Steady, now. We're going to try the second step, and see if you can keep from falling down.
Why was he impeached for silly crap that he could skate on, instead of the charges they could have slapped on him that would have stuck?
Denial incoming...
"Trump was just a chuckle-headed sucker" is not an effective sales pitch.
I think you're completely missing the point.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
But you can't be sure, because you're unsure of the point yourself.
His point is, there is an actual report, and it does have actual stuff in it. Doing anything but reading it yourself is unreliable. Believing anything about it without reading it is an act of faith in somebody.
"Trump was just a chuckle-headed sucker" is not an effective sales pitch.
Such as?
The Kingdom of God has come upon you. -- Matthew 12:28
"Trump was just a chuckle-headed sucker" is not an effective sales pitch.
From page 300 of the actual report:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/15/polit...ort/index.html
Thus, we first discuss below the prior review that the OIG conducted of the FBI's handling of the Robert Hanssen investigation, focusing on problems that appeared both in that investigation and Crossfire Hurricane. We then turn to measures to assist in the full and complete consideration of politically sensitive investigations and make FISA applications more understandable and complete for the officials and judges who review and approve them. We conclude with a discussion of bias and improper motivation and suggest one possible FBI reform for consideration by the Department. We do not try to review all the many changes that have already been made but rather seek to build on them.
And no I haven't read the entire 316 page behemoth of a report. The PDF search function is your friend. You're welcome.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
If that "one possible FBI reform" does not come down to "abolish the FBI and replace it with nothing", then they're just posturing.
Spoiler alert:
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
― George Orwell, 1984
The report concludes that the investigation into Trump/Russia collusion should have never happened due to lack of evidence and the FBI, along with others, broke the law to make it happen. The report details how it happened and who was involved. He isn't suggesting much reform because he believes the laws currently in place should have prevented this situation.
He doesn't recommend additional charges for those crimes and there could be several reasons for that.
It could be that he is a giant pussy.
It could also be that he believes the current DOJ is too biased to handle the case, and is hoping that Trump gets elected and can install a better DOJ that can use the evidence in his report to prosecute.
Either way, he has given us yet another reason to vote for Trump, and this is going to be a bumpy election.
Last edited by dannno; 05-21-2023 at 05:30 PM.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
I agree. In case you didn't realize it, I was saying you're more right than wrong on this one. As usual @TheCount is full of crap. And yeah, there should have been a recommendation for a stronger reform...like scrapping the FBI as it exists, but this dude was appointed by intelligence gatekeeper William Barr.
@dannno Edit: My one point of disagreement is that this is somehow a reason to vote for Trump. Trump appointed William Barr. There's no reason to believe Trump will magically start making good appointments next time around.
Last edited by jmdrake; 05-23-2023 at 06:27 AM.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
"Trump was just a chuckle-headed sucker" is not an effective sales pitch.
Tim Pool has discussed this topic a couple times in depth with Don Jr. as this was a very common complaint, including his most recent appearance:
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
And we can expect to hear...?
If listening someone with a voice that irritating stretch ten minutes' worth of content out to two hours through sheer repetition is the only way to get that question answered, Trump doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell.
You present this as useful information, but are unable to summarize it even a little? And you think we should take your word that we'll find it useful because...?
Let me put it this way. Suppose if I listen to two hours of, "He was just a naive little orange snowflake," I'll hunt you down and kill you slowly. Do you still want me to watch it?
Last edited by acptulsa; 05-23-2023 at 10:01 AM.
"Trump was just a chuckle-headed sucker" is not an effective sales pitch.
That is part of the answer, but more importantly why did Trump think that way and what is the plan for the future. Me and you knew not to trust anybody in DC, Trump thought he could trust SOME people there to do the right thing, but he didn't know how swampy the entire thing was. He found some people there he was told he could trust, and they were telling him to trust these other people, etc, etc..
But ultimately it directly addresses jmdrake's concerns. However, more importantly, they discuss going in the next term not trusting the institutions at all and firing everybody. The scorched earthy policy.
The best part is you can hear it in detail in the words of Don Jr.
Tim's news segments are occasionally repetitious, but he is making them for youtube. That means somebody who clicks on it might be listening to him for the first time, so he might make a point that he has made before, because it is a good point. Or he might make the same point again on a single video to try and shift to another avenue of discussion to get his video to the 20+ or 10+ minute mark. You could just say, make the video shorter, but I'm pretty sure there is an algorithmic reason he has chosen to do it a certain way to get maximum reach.
The reason I listen to Tim Pool and not the acptulsa show is because I find that he has good and interesting takes on the news. The rest.. what his voice sounds like, does he occasionally repeat himself, that is not relevant to me.
The IRL show is a bit different. If the guest isn't talking much and the news is something that has been discussed before, there is going to be some repetition from previous shows. If they want the guest to discuss something that has been discussed in previous shows, then they might have to repeat themselves from a previous show.
Fortunately, Don Jr. is a talker. So he dominates the discussion. If you really don't like listening to Tim Pool, watch the Milo Yinnapolis epsiode. I think he says like 5 things the whole 2+ hours.
Last edited by dannno; 05-23-2023 at 10:37 AM.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Wow, are you missing the point.
Does Milo Yinnapolis say anything I need to hear? Because I need to know that. I'm not going to listen to a Tim Pool podcast just because this is the Tim Pool show in which Tim Pool talks the least.
"Trump was just a chuckle-headed sucker" is not an effective sales pitch.
I think you are the one missing the point.
The IRL show has a couple guest hosts and 1-2 guests. Tim will dominate the conversation, or the guest will dominate the conversation, depending mostly on the guest. In this case, Don Jr. is quite domineering.
Milo is very intelligent and pretty much talks the entire time. I would recommend listening to it sometime, but I was using it to make a broader point.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
"Trump was just a chuckle-headed sucker" is not an effective sales pitch.
IOW: "Random schmucks on the Internet have more political savvy than Donald Trump."
Well, okay, I guess ... if you say so ...
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