Appalled by GOP support for E-Verify

[PAF]

By Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.
May 10, 2023


Writes Ryan McMaken:

The fact that so many conservatives are attacking Rep Massie over E-Verify is just the latest reminder that as soon as you give the GOP the slightest amount of power they start with their usual surveillance state garbage. Vaccines are the ONLY thing conservative activists have ever been good on, it seems. Tyranny is fine so long as it’s to own the Muslims and the Messicans.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/politica...-for-e-verify/

[PAF]

[acptulsa]

[Voluntarist]

Isn't identifying a nation's citizens a prerequisite for securing that nation's borders - unless, of course, you're not going to allow anyone to pass in either direction?

[Anti Federalist]

https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/...51219072622614

Typical.

The foreign invader gets a pass, the American citizen gets the shaft.

[PAF]

Isn't identifying a nation's citizens a prerequisite for securing that nation's borders - unless, of course, you're not going to allow anyone to pass in either direction?

Let me consult with the 4th Amendment... hold on a sec...

Ok, here's what I found out:

Tax-payers shell out $$$$$ in Freebies out of their hard-working pockets to create the magnet, so instead of taking the conservative approach and preserving our Bill of Rights (they hate us for our freedoms), let's fund the Police-State apparatus as well.

Yeah, that's the right approach, ask anybody in DC (District of Corruption) and the lobbyists they have meetings with.


Edit to add: It's not foreigner who hate our Bill of Rights - it's the American People, who are doing everything they can to emulate other countries with costly welfare/socialist and draconian measures.

[jmdrake]

Isn't identifying a nation's citizens a prerequisite for securing that nation's borders - unless, of course, you're not going to allow anyone to pass in either direction?

E-Verify isn't for coming in and out of the country. It's whether or not you can get a job. For my first job (paper boy) I didn't even have a social security number. Then again as a boy we walked across the border to Mexico, bought a pinata for my birthday, came back to the U.S. without ever going through a checkpoint. We did have to go through a checkpoint crossing the border from Arizona to California because there was a fruit quarantine.

[CaptUSA]

E-Verify isn't for coming in and out of the country. It's whether or not you can get a job. For my first job (paper boy) I didn't even have a social security number. Then again as a boy we walked across the border to Mexico, bought a pinata for my birthday, came back to the U.S. without ever going through a checkpoint. We did have to go through a checkpoint crossing the border from Arizona to California because there was a fruit quarantine.

Just for the record... I support a fruit quarantine in California.

[PAF]

E-Verify isn't for coming in and out of the country. It's whether or not you can get a job. For my first job (paper boy) I didn't even have a social security number. Then again as a boy we walked across the border to Mexico, bought a pinata for my birthday, came back to the U.S. without ever going through a checkpoint. We did have to go through a checkpoint crossing the border from Arizona to California because there was a fruit quarantine.

Exactly.

But since then, even "CONSERVATIVES" are so far to the LEFT, that "if you see something, say something". Gone are the days when a private person or a private business can hire anybody they want, and based on personal/private contracts. Now they want "fairness" across the board, and have no problem with "other people, including immigrants, must pay their fair share to fund the Fed via taxes!".


Hey @Anti Federalist , how much is fruit and meat in your parts? It's pretty expensive here. Think maybe once those immigrants start working I'll start seeing product on the shelves again? I asked the white folks down in Section 8 if they wanted a job and they told me to go f&ck myself.

[jmdrake]

Let me consult with the 4th Amendment... hold on a sec...

Ok, here's what I found out:

Tax-payers shell out $$$$$ in Freebies out of their hard-working pockets to create the magnet, so instead of taking the conservative approach and preserving our Bill of Rights (they hate us for our freedoms), let's fund the Police-State apparatus as well.

Yeah, that's the right approach, ask anybody in DC (District of Corruption) and the lobbyists they have meetings with.


Edit to add: It's not foreigner who hate our Bill of Rights - it's the American People, who are doing everything they can to emulate other countries with costly welfare/socialist and draconian measures.

Exactly.

But since then, even "CONSERVATIVES" are so far to the LEFT, that "if you see something, say something". Gone are the days when a private person or a private business can hire anybody they want, and based on personal/private contracts. Now they want "fairness" across the board, and have no problem with "other people, including immigrants, must pay their fair share to fund the Fed via taxes!".


Hey @Anti Federalist , how much is fruit and meat in your parts? It's pretty expensive here. Think maybe once those immigrants start working I'll start seeing product on the shelves again? I asked the white folks down in Section 8 if they wanted a job and they told me to go f&ck myself.

I fully concur with everything except I think foreign policy is a much larger driving force of immigration than welfare. We didn't have 100,000 Ukrainians coming to the U.S. prior to the war for example.

[Anti Federalist]

Hey @Anti Federalist , how much is fruit and meat in your parts? It's pretty expensive here. Think maybe once those immigrants start working I'll start seeing product on the shelves again? I asked the white folks down in Section 8 if they wanted a job and they told me to go f&ck myself.

Hey @PAF I $#@!ing doubt it.

We've killed off all the small independent and family farms for the most part, farms that could have paid a young white man a decent enough wage to get a family started. So they're just laying around watching porn and waiting to hype their fatal blast of Chinese fentanyl and die. Not that anybody gives a $#@! about them.

It's the trans national, globalist Agri corps that love the cheap invader labor...the same folks run the mines in Africa with 8 years olds digging cobalt and lithium for the batteries to power trendy earth hugging Marxists around the world.

But see, those same hyper global Agri-corps are also thoroughly onboard the various "Agenda 30" or what have you, and actively shutting down farms and cutting off access to farm land and supplies all across the world.

In addition to the fact that the same people that support the invasion also support shutting down domestic energy production, everything is more expensive, because everything relies on so called "fossil" fuel to run.

So no, you'll not see any big increase in supply or decrease in price.

Your taxes will go up though, as a couple million more invaders storm the border and demand their freebies.

[nobody's_hero]

Hey @PAF I $#@!ing doubt it.

We've killed off all the small independent and family farms for the most part, farms that could have paid a young white man a decent enough wage to get a family started. So they're just laying around watching porn and waiting to hype their fatal blast of Chinese fentanyl and die. Not that anybody gives a $#@! about them.

It's the trans national, globalist Agri corps that love the cheap invader labor...the same folks run the mines in Africa with 8 years olds digging cobalt and lithium for the batteries to power trendy earth hugging Marxists around the world.

But see, those same hyper global Agri-corps are also thoroughly onboard the various "Agenda 30" or what have you, and actively shutting down farms and cutting off access to farm land and supplies all across the world.

In addition to the fact that the same people that support the invasion also support shutting down domestic energy production, everything is more expensive, because everything relies on so called "fossil" fuel to run.

So no, you'll not see any big increase in supply or decrease in price.

Your taxes will go up though, as a couple million more invaders storm the border and demand their freebies.

One of my first jobs was picking corn for a farmer who was up in years. He paid $10/hr (decent money for a teenager 20 years ago) for us to walk behind the tractor and toss the ears of corn into the wagon he was towing, and bought lunch whenever we worked for him. It was a small plot of land though, far from corporate. Those 'family farms' are definitely dying off, and now we've got corporate agriculture that spontaneously burns down and kills thousands of cows.

Didn't really think about how much the corn costs. I had to have money to buy anything anyway. Funny how that works.

[nobody's_hero]

Also if we had a wall (the best of terrible ideas) we could catch more at the border and there'd be less justification attempts for systems like e-verify.

For what it's worth, I support stopping people at the border as a preferential strategy to massive electronic identification databases. I believe some of us have warned about the lack of border security actually causing a growth of the police state, and well, here we are.

[PAF]

Hey @PAF I $#@!ing doubt it.

We've killed off all the small independent and family farms for the most part, farms that could have paid a young white man a decent enough wage to get a family started. So they're just laying around watching porn and waiting to hype their fatal blast of Chinese fentanyl and die. Not that anybody gives a $#@! about them.

It's the trans national, globalist Agri corps that love the cheap invader labor...the same folks run the mines in Africa with 8 years olds digging cobalt and lithium for the batteries to power trendy earth hugging Marxists around the world.

But see, those same hyper global Agri-corps are also thoroughly onboard the various "Agenda 30" or what have you, and actively shutting down farms and cutting off access to farm land and supplies all across the world.

In addition to the fact that the same people that support the invasion also support shutting down domestic energy production, everything is more expensive, because everything relies on so called "fossil" fuel to run.

So no, you'll not see any big increase in supply or decrease in price.

Your taxes will go up though, as a couple million more invaders storm the border and demand their freebies.

Cry Me A River. When republicans fall for and side with the corporatist lobbyists, the small/medium companies and farms can not compete. Mounting regulations that the small/medium companies find more and more difficult to abide by, it's just another form to fill out for the multinational companies. Forced minimum wage, reporting/preventing "non-filing" and/or "illegal" workers, don't complain that corn is no longer a buck a bakers dozen @nobody's_hero. Federal government eminent domain taking over small/medium private/business land, the globalists/multinationals have no problem buying as much as they want where they want, greasing the politicians hands.

Free Market principles, contract rights, property rights. As long as it's consensual, who the f&ck business is it other than mine who I hire, for how much, what was negotiated during a bi-lateral contract, and whether it is under the table [or not]?

Like I said, the so-called right have moved so far left, it simply amazes that the right even has the gull to trash-talk leftists/globalists. You're they're one and the same.

Anyway, it seems we go round and round and not able to come to an agreement. Keep the course, build the wall, roll out e-verify, implement every police-state piece of technology you can come up with, and keep paying your taxes to pay for it all. I'll sit back, watch how it works out for you, and eat popcorn chicken wings as long they're on sale.

[Anti Federalist]

Also if we had a wall (the best of terrible ideas) we could catch more at the border and there'd be less justification attempts for systems like e-verify.

For what it's worth, I support stopping people at the border as a preferential strategy to massive electronic identification databases. I believe some of us have warned about the lack of border security actually causing a growth of the police state, and well, here we are.

Exactly.

[jmdrake]

Also if we had a wall (the best of terrible ideas) we could catch more at the border and there'd be less justification attempts for systems like e-verify.

For what it's worth, I support stopping people at the border as a preferential strategy to massive electronic identification databases. I believe some of us have warned about the lack of border security actually causing a growth of the police state, and well, here we are.

You sure about that?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/video-cap...-border-secure
Video captures migrants in camo scaling Arizona wall after Harris says border secure




The non authoritarian way not to have in influx of migrants fleeing political instability is to quit creating political instability.

[PAF]

You sure about that?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/video-cap...-border-secure
Video captures migrants in camo scaling Arizona wall after Harris says border secure

[IMG]https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxne....jpg?ve=1&tl=1[/IMG]

The non authoritarian way not to have in influx of migrants fleeing political instability is to quit creating political instability.

@nobody's_hero is a spend-spend-spend-like-there's-no-tomorrow republican. He doesn't believe Ron Paul when he said that walls don't work. I doubt he holds responsible finances or the BoR dear, so perhaps he will advocate building an even way-way bigger one that reaches all the way to the moon. That, and/or shoot-to-kill. No questions asked. Not even a trial.

[acptulsa]

When I see a cockroach, I neither try to chase them all down nor seal the place in hopes they can't find a way in. I clean the kitchen. I stop feeding them. Trying to keep them unemployed ostensibly helps with that, but as long as they can survive on benefits it won't help with that issue at all.

I'm no fan of an excess of immigration. But I hate this E-Verify crap a damned sight more. They want to join us because of our freedoms, so just cede our liberty to make the U.S. less attractive to them? Screw that.

[PAF]

When I see a cockroach, I neither try to chase them all down nor seal the place in hopes they can't find a way in. I clean the kitchen. I stop feeding them. Trying to keep them unemployed ostensibly helps with that, but as long as they can survive on benefits it won't help with that issue at all.

I'm no fan of an excess of immigration. But I hate this E-Verify crap a damned sight more. They want to join us because of our freedoms, so just cede them? Screw that.

+ REP

It would also help if they put pressure on biden to STOP funneling them in, and even get rid of DHS once and for all. Think of all that money we could save that could be diverted to another corporate lobby! At least the inflow would slow to a reasonable rate.

[PAF]

+ REP

It would also help if they put pressure on biden to STOP funneling them in, and even get rid of DHS once and for all. Think of all that money we could save that could be diverted to another corporate lobby! At least the inflow would slow to a reasonable rate.

Oh wait... they want to spend-spend-spend.

[Brian4Liberty]

Once again, Massie stands (almost) alone:

https://twitter.com/USAB4L/status/1655965764799586305

[Anti Federalist]

Anyway, it seems we go round and round and not able to come to an agreement. Keep the course

Because this IS the course.

Amnesty after amnesty. Wave after wave of migrant invaders. Borders more open and unsecured year by year.

For my entire lifetime we've been doing it your way.

[acptulsa]

Because this IS the course.

Amnesty after amnesty. Wave after wave of migrant invaders. Borders more open and unsecured year by year.

For my entire lifetime we've been doing it your way.

Easy, now. Attracting them with benefits is not "his way". Marching them up with bottled water deliveries and wifi along the way is not "his way".

It has been a very long time since "we" did things his way. In fact I don't think we had been born yet.

[Anti Federalist]

When I see a cockroach, I neither try to chase them all down nor seal the place in hopes they can't find a way in. I clean the kitchen. I stop feeding them. Trying to keep them unemployed ostensibly helps with that, but as long as they can survive on benefits it won't help with that issue at all.

I'm no fan of an excess of immigration. But I hate this E-Verify crap a damned sight more. They want to join us because of our freedoms, so just cede our liberty to make the U.S. less attractive to them? Screw that.

Having dealt with more than my share of roach infestations, I've found it requires both.

A thorough cleaning and a pesticide to make the vessel uninhabitable for the invaders.

[acptulsa]

A thorough cleaning and a pesticide to make the vessel uninhabitable for the invaders.

Doesn't hurt. Just don't know what pesticide is in my metafor...

[Anti Federalist]

Easy, now. Attracting them with benefits is not "his way". Marching them up with bottled water deliveries and wifi along the way is not "his way".

It has been a very long time since "we" did things his way. In fact I don't think we had been born yet.

The Immigration Reform Act was passed within a year of my birth.

It turned immigration upside down, based immigrant quotas on big business labor needs, utterly changed the demographics and political composition of the country, reduced enforcement that provoked wave after wave of illegal invaders and began chain migration.
@PAF seems to be in favor of all these things.

[Anti Federalist]

Doesn't hurt. Just don't know what pesticide is in my metafor...

A good pesticide forms a chemical barrier, a wall, that prevents or discourages new pests from crossing over the barrier into your home or vessel.

And just to be clear, I am just as opposed to "E-Verify" and other big brother, big government "solutions" as you are.

That's the equivalent to spraying yourself with pesticide.

[PAF]

The Immigration Reform Act was passed within a year of my birth.

It turned immigration upside down, based immigrant quotas on big business labor needs, utterly changed the demographics and political composition of the country, reduced enforcement that provoked wave after wave of illegal invaders and began chain migration.
@PAF seems to be in favor of all these things.

Why, oh why, do you put words into my mouth?

Come on, AF, an AnCap/Agorist, who supports RFK Jr., supporting such things? I doth protest!

[nobody's_hero]

You sure about that?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/video-cap...-border-secure
Video captures migrants in camo scaling Arizona wall after Harris says border secure




The non authoritarian way not to have in influx of migrants fleeing political instability is to quit creating political instability.

It helps, but Kamala Harris hasn't taken the border seriously since she entered office. If she says it's secure, it probably just means she wants to be done and doesn't want to have to deal with it. Like telling your kids to clean their room and you find out they just shoved everything out of the middle of the floor.

[Occam's Banana]

Of course, being a "conservative" outlet, The Post Millennial pretends that Massie (and Duarte ?) "vote[d] against border security" instead of against e-Verify. In fact, when it comes to e-Verify, they could only be bothered to make a single, brief, and innocuous-sounding comment about it at the very end of the article - as if it is of little significance and no concern.

House votes YES on Secure Border Act in 219-213 vote, includes e-Verify requirement, with 2 Republicans joining Democrats to vote against border security
The bill passed 219-213.
https://thepostmillennial.com/breaki...-mexico-border
Hannah Nightingale (11 May 2023)

[bold emphasis added - OB]

On Thursday, House Representatives debated the Secure the Border Act of 2023 as Title 42 expired at the southern border, which lays out sweeping new requirements and restrictions for securing the southern border.

The bill passed 219-213. Two Republicans, Reps. Thomas Massie and John Duarte voted along side all Democrat members against the bill.

House votes 'YES' on measure to secure US-Mexico border
https://rumble.com/v2nbb0y-house-vot...co-border.html

The bill was introduced to the House of Representatives on May 2 in anticipation of the flood of illegal immigrants expected in the wake of Title 42, which allowed expulsions due to the pandemic emergency.

The bill calls for the "immediate resumption of border wall construction" no later than seven days after the bill is enacted, using previously set aside funds and materials for its construction.

No later than 180 days after the bill is enacted, a report shall be submitted to congressional committees that outlines a strategic 5-year technology investment plan for border security, including potential upgrades in security technology, communications equipment, screening equipment, incorporating in input from the private sector.

In an effort to retain Border Patrol personnel, the bill will authorize up to $100,000,000 in appropriated funds for the Commissioner of the US Customs and Border Protection to give to front-line agents who hold a position equal to or below level GS-12, has been with Border Patrol for five years or longer, and commits two additional years of service with Border Patrol upon acceptance of the bonus.

The bill also requires that the Commissioner hire and train enough Border Patrol agents to maintain an active duty presence of no less than 22,000 full-time agents.

The bill also includes a provision prohibiting the requirement to take a Covid-19 vaccine or adverse actions taken against a Department of Homeland Security employee.

The Secretary of Homeland Security would be required to send a report no later than 60 days after the bill is enacted on whether Mexican drug cartels meet the criteria for being designated as a foreign terrorist organization.

The bill amends the Immigration and Nationality Act, stating that those found not to be eligible for parole shall be deported from the country.

The bill also increases penalties for illegal entry or presence in the country from $50-$250 up to $500-$1000.

Illegal immigrants who overstay a visa are subject to imprisonment of no more than six months and/or a fine for the first offense, and a fine and/or no more than two years of imprisonment for subsequent offenses.

The bill also mandates the use of e-Verify, a system used to check if a person is authorized to work in the United States.