The jury has found Trump liable for sexual abuse and defamation. Damages are around $5 million.
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Anonymous
Thanks for the informative link...
"Trump was just a chuckle-headed sucker" is not an effective sales pitch.
There wasn't one when I posted, just TV coverage. But here are a couple:Originally Posted by acptulsa
https://www.fox5ny.com/news/donald-t...erdict-tuesday
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/e-jean-...ct-rape-trial/
We have long had death and taxes as the two standards of inevitability. But there are those who believe that death is the preferable of the two. "At least," as one man said, "there's one advantage about death; it doesn't get worse every time Congress meets."
Erwin N. Griswold
Taxes: Of life's two certainties, the only one for which you can get an automatic extension.
Anonymous
From the link:
Trump’s lawyer, Joseph Tacopina, shook hands with Carroll and hugged her lawyer, Roberta Kaplan. As the courtroom cleared, Carroll could be heard laughing and crying.
Ummmm....okay. I usually shake the other lawyers hand at the conclusion of a case, not the opposing party. And I've never hugged the opposing lawyer. I've never seen that done before either. Odd.
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Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
Lol... so she got money for something that never even happened??
What is wrong with those jurors?
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Money can make people do things they wouldn't normally do.
This is proof that no criminal trial for Trump can ever be held in NY and still be considered Constitutional. They will never be able to get an unbiased jury.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
It's Trump's fault he lost. He didn't take it seriously or appear. It was a very weak case. No physical evidence or eyewitnesses. A few biased witnesses. Basically a he said she said situation. This is probably the least of his legal troubles though.
His public statements that he never met the woman coupled with the fact that he later mis-identified her as his ex wife (undermining his "She's not my type" defense) made him a poor witness in his own defense. Frankly he should have settled like Bill Clinton did.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
Oh, no worries, his "republican" base are fired up now and will do everything they can to get him back into office.
Distractions. Over and over again. People never learn. Even +$8 Trillion in a single term later.
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When the defense calls no witnesses it's much easier for a jury to find for the plaintiff by a preponderance of the evidence.
We have long had death and taxes as the two standards of inevitability. But there are those who believe that death is the preferable of the two. "At least," as one man said, "there's one advantage about death; it doesn't get worse every time Congress meets."
Erwin N. Griswold
Taxes: Of life's two certainties, the only one for which you can get an automatic extension.
Anonymous
How can there be any witnesses to something that didn't happen almost 30 years ago?
You aren't very smart for being a lawyer..
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Blaming the victim...
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
I'm smart enough to know that it's not a good idea to fail to put on a defense. Given that Trump didn't appear in court to rebut the plaintiff's story, its pretty obvious that the jury believed Carroll's testimony regarding sexual abuse and disbelieved Trump's deposition testimony, especially when he mistook Carroll for his ex-wife after claiming that Carroll wasn't his type. The grab-'em-by-the-pussy tape didn't help Trump either.
I'd be interested in knowing whether Trump's attorneys advised him to testify and he refused or whether they advised him not to testify, figuring that on the basis of his deposition he was a loose cannon and would make a bad witness. Maybe they were as arrogant as Trump and figured they'd be able to easily discredit Carroll on cross-examination.
Last edited by Sonny Tufts; 05-09-2023 at 03:12 PM.
We have long had death and taxes as the two standards of inevitability. But there are those who believe that death is the preferable of the two. "At least," as one man said, "there's one advantage about death; it doesn't get worse every time Congress meets."
Erwin N. Griswold
Taxes: Of life's two certainties, the only one for which you can get an automatic extension.
Anonymous
That wasn't the only time Trump couldn't see the evidence, they were giving him small blurry images on purpose to confuse him.
Any time a rich/wealthy person is accused of something like this and the person is seeking monetary damages, there should be a VERY high standard for whether the events actually took place. It is very common for people to make up stories about wealthy people and seek money in a lawsuit.
The jurors are either really dumb, or just want to get back at Trump for something the media told them about him, which also never happened.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Trump said it didn't happen. She said it did. Trump got caught lying twice in depositions. The smart lawyer just won 5 million for her client.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
Then it was Trump's lawyer's job to catch that and object. Did Trump pay his own attorney? He has a reputation for not doing that.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-sue-d...claims-1460828
Any time a rich/wealthy person is accused of something like this and the person is seeking monetary damages, there should be a VERY high standard for whether the events actually took place. It is very common for people to make up stories about wealthy people and seek money in a lawsuit.
The jurors are either really dumb, or just want to get back at Trump for something the media told them about him, which also never happened.So tilt the scale of justice either further to the rich? Ummmm.....okay. Trump had enough money to pay for a lawyer to object to the pictures you say are blurry. (I haven't seen them so I'll take your word for it.) With 5 million at stake he could have afforded to pay $100,000 for a competent defense if in fact his defense was incompetent. Trump lied about never having met the victim (photographic evidence of that), and frankly back in the day she was as hot as his ex wife Marla Maples. The jury did him a favor by not finding him liable for rape and only finding him liable for sexual assault. He is the "grab em by the pussy" guy. The jury didn't believe that the victim got raped in a department store without anyone hearing. But a groping? Yeah, that could have happened.
Edit: Also remember there was a defamation part to this case. Trump said he never even met the woman and got caught in a lie. Most of the 5 million dollar judgment was probably for the defamation.
Last edited by jmdrake; 05-09-2023 at 03:39 PM.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
That's how they want you to think.
Whatever you do, don't think back to 2016, and all the talk we heard about the best people, the best deals, and how nobody can fool with America with Trump in charge because he's too smart and fights too hard...
And whatever you do, don't for a second think about just whose rook this 3D chess move is designed to capture.
"Trump was just a chuckle-headed sucker" is not an effective sales pitch.
It was a "he said, she said" case - and if I understand correctly, the "he" side didn't even bother putting on much of a defense beyond "he didn't do it". So of course the "she" side won.
What else could reasonably have been expected?
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They are trying to do everything to make sure Trump is never given the opportunity to run for the White House ever again.
That happens when you have a bias court.
Last edited by AngryCanadian; 05-09-2023 at 04:22 PM.
Unfortunately you are correct. The correct in New York City is biased towards Trump and had being for many years even when he wasn't the president. New York City was always for Hillary Clinton and the Clinton family.
Careful with language... you remember every single person you've ever met? Now multiply that by 1,000, that's how many people Trump has met. For that to be a lie, you would have to prove that he remembered meeting her.
Also, it looks like they "met" in the late 80s... she claims this happened in the mid 90s.
Last edited by dannno; 05-09-2023 at 04:49 PM.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
He said/she said doesn't hold up in court, especially not in a $5 million settlement..It was a "he said, she said" case - and if I understand correctly, the "he" side didn't even bother putting on much of a defense beyond "he didn't do it". So of course the "she" side won.
What else could reasonably have been expected?
I know the standard of proof is lower in a civil case, but it's not THAT low...
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
My guess is 5 million is not a big deal for Trump and it was better for him that he not put on a defense and just let her win.
With a Manhattan jury?It was a "he said, she said" case - and if I understand correctly, the "he" side didn't even bother putting on much of a defense beyond "he didn't do it". So of course the "she" side won.
What else could reasonably have been expected?
LoL - Not a damn thing.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
― George Orwell, 1984
It does when:
(1) a "preponderance of the evidence" is the standard (rather than "beyond a reasonable doubt"), and
(2) no significant or substantive rebuttal to the plaintiff's claims are offered (and "he didn't do it" is not significant or substantive).
Trump either didn't want to win this case, or he couldn't be bothered enough to try (which pretty much amounts to the same thing).
Settlement size - whether $5, or $5,000,000 - doesn't have anything to do with what does or does not "hold up in court".
(And in any case, there was no settlement in this case. The jury awarded damages.)
Yes , no burden of proof , you are correct.
Do something Danke
With any jury.
If you don't really even try to defend yourself in a fight, no one has any business being upset or disappointed when you get punched in the face.
That's as true in Manhattan as it is anywhere else (which is not to say that Trump would have won with a Manhattan jury even if he had put on a strong defense - but apparently, he couldn't be bothered to try, so ... *shrug*).
Last edited by Occam's Banana; 05-09-2023 at 05:25 PM.
The PLAINTIFF had no significant or substantive evidence...
What you are saying is completely insane and is what directly leads to this type of abuse in courts.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
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