Interesting because the one thing I know about Dems is they take a big D no matter what so if they kill him and he is alreafy on the ballot he gets lots of votes anyway.Originally Posted by Anti Globalist
Do something Danke
They got almost all the answers wrong - but at least they knew what the problems really were (and that's no small thing).
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Anti Federalist again.
The gun-grabber thing is a non-negotiable deal-killer for me.
But I'm glad he's running, anyway. It will be interesting to see what shakes loose.
This was also back in the optimistic days when I thought that freedom was indeed popular (2007). I actually prefered the Kucinich guys who wanted out of Iraq to the McCainiacs who wanted to stay there for 100 years. Some of those friends woke up, some of them just went woke.
A commie (a literal communist) acupuncturist who I used to sublet from who told me I needed a vacs despite him knowing I have bad reactions to them, regularly posts articles about "The Wellness-To-White-Supremacy Pipeline Is Alive and Well." Maybe this might shake these woke zombies awake.
TLDR:. A leftie vegetarian wellness guru is a white supremacist because she supported the Canadian trucker's convoy. RFK will probably be considered alt right soon.
https://www.metafilter.com/194308/Th...Alive-and-Well
"Okay, at first glance, Liddon doesn’t seem like she’d be a supporter of far-right movements. She started Oh She Glows in 2008 as a hobby and a way to repair her relationship with food...which is lovely and admirable. But what Liddon was also doing—probably without understanding this at the time—was entering the wellness space, which would soon explode in popularity and become a breeding ground for misinformation, exploitation and white supremacy."
The Wellness-To-White-Supremacy Pipeline Is Alive and Well
February 7, 2022 10:34 AM Subscribe
On Friday, Angela Liddon, a Canadian food personality whose brand, Oh She Glows, encompasses multiple popular social media profiles, a website and a slew of bestselling cookbooks, posted this ~wild~ Instagram Story that breathlessly proclaimed her support for the trucker convoy.
"Okay, at first glance, Liddon doesn’t seem like she’d be a supporter of far-right movements. She started Oh She Glows in 2008 as a hobby and a way to repair her relationship with food...which is lovely and admirable. But what Liddon was also doing—probably without understanding this at the time—was entering the wellness space, which would soon explode in popularity and become a breeding ground for misinformation, exploitation and white supremacy."
(Previous trucker convoy post, previous counter-protest post)
posted by chococat (93 comments total) 42 users marked this as a favorite
When Liddon talks about "ALL Canadians" this is code for white Canadians who feel aggrieved that other ethnicities and backgrounds are given space to be a part of Canadian society.
Not to take the discussion away from Canada, but there is enough overlap with this protest, extremist right-wing American politics, and Russian vaccine disinformation campaigns around the world, that south-of-the-border extremism might add some context to why some Canadians are now waving Nazi flags through Ottawa:
Trump and allies try to redefine racism by casting White men as victims.
This circles back to Umberto Eco's classic Ur-Fascism, particularly racism being at the core of the political movement:
5. Besides, disagreement is a sign of diversity. Ur-Fascism grows up and seeks for consensus by exploiting and exacerbating the natural fear of difference. The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.
posted by They sucked his brains out! at 10:54 AM on February 7, 2022 [32 favorites]
I didn't realize the spillover from the wellness to crowd to extremism was such a thing, though come to think of it, I've seen it several times. It's sort of the secular version of the right-thinking-white-people ethos, I guess.
There's actually a joke we tell about one person we know.
Flight attendant: This man is having a heart attack. Is anyone on this plane a medical professional?
Redacted, stepping forward, nodding solemnly: I am a fitness blogger.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 10:57 AM on February 7, 2022 [53 favorites]
I hate that they are stepping up all these protests NOW, agitation NOW, because the wave of omnicron has (in many but not all places) peaked, and is starting to fall.
Any evidence-based politics is going to start scaling back the restrictions, in repsonse to the changing conditions on the ground. These $#@!ers KNOW that, and they are scheduling their dark money protests NOW so that they can take credit for what, in many places, was going to happen anyway.
posted by subdee at 10:57 AM on February 7, 2022 [42 favorites]
For anybody reading on a smaller screen or with a zoomed in view to compensate for aging eyes - the popup does not size to screen. You need to zoom out to see the x to close the popup.
(Pop-ups that don't properly size are probably less of a dark pattern and more just $#@! web design but the effect is the same).
posted by srboisvert at 11:02 AM on February 7, 2022 [3 favorites]
The article goes into wellness as it's rooted in cultural appropriation/rich white women/etcetcetc, but honestly, I think it's simpler than that.
Wellness prioritizes the individual. It suggests that what's wrong with the world is the sum of what's wrong with you. And if you, personally, both feel okay and look okay—because ultimately other people only matter inasmuch as they approve of you, which saves you from asking difficult questions about how much your "well-being" is defined by a gnawing inner need for ongoing external validation—then the world is fine.
COVID? Such an inconvenience. Learn some home cooking! Here's an at-home workout that can help you thrive!
COVID mandates? That's you forcing me to do things that I might not want to do. And that's a threat to my wellness, which means it's a threat to my freedom, which means it's a threat to the world.
Of course it winds up classist and racist. When haven't we defined beauty and goodness in terms of skin color, or privileged it according to people who have both the free time and the money to pamper themselves endlessly in pursuit of narcissism nirvana?
(I like a lot of wellness-adjacent things, am generally very vain, and am a total sucker for gentle peaceful wholeness cultures etc/also find that my religious and spiritual beliefs overlap somewhat with the stuff in there, albeit on hopefully far less superficial of a way. Some of my best friends are wellness people etc. But it's a culture that's less accidentally blind to the rest of the world than blind by design, and doesn't seem to think much of altruism past the point where it makes you, personally, feel better about your Did Good For The World credentials, which you ought to wear as publicly as you know how.)
posted by rorgy at 11:07 AM on February 7, 2022 [93 favorites]
Just saw a truck outside my doctor’s office in Ottawa, as the convoy starts arriving in town. It had two flags stuck into the back of its truck-bed. One was an upside down Canadian flag. The other, a Confederate flag.
If you wave a confederate flag in Canada, there are two possibilities:
☐ You think Canada should secede from the USA
☑ You are a white supremacist
It's about as clever as let's go brandon. We know what you $#@!ing mean.
posted by adept256 at 11:12 AM on February 7, 2022 [78 favorites]
plot twist: the confederate flag was also upside down!
posted by ryanrs at 11:20 AM on February 7, 2022 [18 favorites]
Wellness has been weird for years, but yeah. I was very heartened to see how many people in my various feeds were tossing their vegan cookbooks *loudly* over this one.
posted by warriorqueen at 11:25 AM on February 7, 2022 [1 favorite]
O Canada, WTF?
posted by cenoxo at 11:42 AM on February 7, 2022 [1 favorite]
I wish I could remember where I read it, but one of the earlier things I saw about the massive white supremacy problem of the wellness industry said something that has stuck with me for years and really summed up a lot of my nebulous feelings. Essentially, and I’m paraphrasing: “Wellness as a concept relies on the inherent assumption that if we are including all these things under its umbrella then all other things are subsequently unwell.” And that quickly and easily leads to all sorts of exclusionary antidiversity.
posted by Mizu at 11:42 AM on February 7, 2022 [25 favorites]
There are people who are vegan for reasons having nothing to do with bourgeois wellness fads, can we not lump these things together unless explicitly coming from that kind of perspective? Thanks.
posted by remembrancer at 11:49 AM on February 7, 2022 [19 favorites]
Well this explains a lot. I have some relatives that are totally into alternative medicine but are also conservative voters. It always seemed a bit off to me until the anti-vax movement and I saw how it came from both extremes. The deep distrust of US healthcare is not that far off from a distrust in any other institution, including the government. Many of them have not worked in private industry for decades, so they think privatizing everything is the answer.
posted by soelo at 11:52 AM on February 7, 2022 [5 favorites]
Anecdotally, this tracks with my experience of the anti-vaxxers I know (knew). I had a couple legacy friends who proved to be right wingers with an anti-vax bent, and their friendships were easy discards.
But more common than that were the women (white) who were deep into self-care and alternative wellness. Not terribly political as such, and living in a nice little bubble of privilege. I didn't share their alternative wellness beliefs, but it had nothing to do with me, so what should I care?
I was surprised when they turned out to be anti-vaxxers (or 'vax-free', as one put it, not being opposed to vaxxes for other people, but her not being sure if it was 'right for her'). I should not have been surprised, as if one is already deep into alternative news sources, they're already right there for rejecting the jab.
Thing is, they weren't anti-science, they just leaned on the wrong sources. They used science as justification for their beliefs, they were just wrong about it. (One didn't believe in the Moon landings, and based that in an incorrect reading of the science involved, and sure it was ridiculous, but she was my friend so let's just avoid this subject). Ultimately, these alternative beliefs became so intrinsic to their identity, that there was no bringing them out to proper sources. They just didn't want to hear it. They rejected my friendship (not that I was doing any hard corrective push, I was only a seed of doubt), and I don't know how things stand with them now.
I don't know about them taking a further step into white supremacy, but given how susceptible they've been so far to out-there messaging, and given their fearful need for self-protection, one that envelops a large part of their identity, I can totally see that happening.
It's all terribly sad. There's a grand self-sorting happening politically, most of it obvious and deliberate, but a good portion of it low-key and insidious and between friends.
posted by Capt. Renault at 11:53 AM on February 7, 2022 [28 favorites]
I support "living well", but I don't subscribe to the "wellness" movement. I find it has way too much mysticism mumbo-jumbo and distrust of medicine.
It's not surprising to me that a LOT of the so-called wellness coaches are sucked into the movement. I think it secretly appeals to their "primal beliefs" of racial purity and superiority or something like that. You pretty much need to have an ego to be an influencer, and antivax ultimately is about believing in oneself, albeit to an unhealthy extreme.
posted by kschang at 11:56 AM on February 7, 2022 [4 favorites]
A lot of wellness is based on personal narratives about:
"they didn't believe me and they wound up {misdiagnosing my fibromyalgia, prescribing me a statin, telling me to eat plenty of heart-healthy whole grains} ...
... so I had to figure it out for myself and {research fibromyalgia, reverse my own heart disease with nutrition and supplements, heal my autoimmune conditions with a low-inflammation keto diet}."
In many cases, wellness people really have actually been misled or lied to by the mainstream - doctors, health professionals, conventional advice, etc.
In many cases, they have, by necessity, been forced to "figure it out" on their own.
Unfortunately, going through this process can lead to overconfidence and hubris - having going against the mainstream and been right one or more times, you may end up thinking you're right every time you go against the mainstream view. Or worse, you may end up thinking you're right because you are going against the mainstream view. Unchecked, this can lead into a lot of weird and conspiracist places.
posted by theorique at 12:06 PM on February 7, 2022 [66 favorites]
"Anyone else having trouble sleeping this week?"
Maybe she should ask this question in Ottawa.
posted by Joan Rivers of Babylon at 12:10 PM on February 7, 2022 [18 favorites]
Dr. Mercola and Sci Babe, a pair, are hugely responsible for antivaxx sentiment in the "health industry." One of my best and oldest friends fell under their spell, and is sure his health status will protect him, and his sorta isolation. Here is some coverage. As with every malfeasance, follow the money.
posted by Oyéah at 12:14 PM on February 7, 2022 [7 favorites]
Speaking of the "Occupy Ottawa" scene... Police have rounded up all the fuel and propane canisters while announcing that any Ottawa citizens providing material support to the occupiers may be subject to arrest, which includes food and/or fuel. Entire trailers of fuel were removed by police and FD. // Following GoFundMe's cutoff Occupy Ottawa went to the Conservative version called GiveSendGo.
]
Last edited by RJB; 04-22-2023 at 04:20 PM.
...
Ain't no "probably" about it.
(Just ask right-wingers like Matt Taibbi, Glenn Greenwald, and Jimmy Dore.)
Kennedy Comes For Revenge | Part Of The Problem 987
On this episode of Part Of The Problem Dave and Robbie discuss Robert Kennedy Jr. and his announcement that he is running against Joe Biden in the democratic primary. This episode was recorded on 4.21.23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W6mSNEtp10
LOL, if Bill Maher keeps talking the way he has, he'll be on that list too.
Well, welcome aboard, the more the merrier.
The whole narrative is absurd on its face - at the same time the USA was both founded on White supremacy, slavery, and genocide, yet always meant to be a place that infinity Africans, Indians, and South Americans could come for a "better life"? - Unknown
Been saying for a while this wave is building. Just hope, one, it amounts to something, and two, it doesn't get watered down with the same old "just gotta find the right dictator, Jefferson's angel in human form" pablum.
This is getting silly.T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men
We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me
RFK: Climate Change Deniers belong in jail.
Yeah, not a maybe, but a definite no from me.
...
I can forgive his passionate response to that question because it occurred 10 years ago and it was at a protest event. He was talking about the Koch Brothers using them as an example as climate deniers. Much has changed in 10 years. Bobby is genuine on the environment. He's a conservative in the traditional convervation sense that wants to preserve wildlands and keep them safe from Monsanto or overdevelopment and strip mines. The Democrats are sellouts and so many fake environmental groups have turned over, they make money off the b.s. because the fact is RFK Jr's approach would and could significantly reduce global warming by restricting overdevelopment - and of course he would demilitarize much of our 180 bases which would do a lot, because the US armed forces are the world's biggest contributor to global warming. Not to mention the possibility of Bobby turning off the atmospheric heaters in the Arctic, which is what HAARP does.
Bobby did tremendous work almost singlehandedly saving the Hudson River, cleaning it up and devoting thousands of acres to watershed. He really fixed that problem and stopped pollution by chemical manufacturers who were dumping in the river for decades. Bobby is a true environmentalist in a bipartisan sense. Think John Muir or Theodore Roosevelt not today's Democrat hacks that make money off corrupt wind farm projects that do more environmental harm than good.
You won't find a Democrat against wind farms, but Bobby is. Bobby's search is for best solutions and the TRUTH wherever it leads.
"The four-year-old battle started heating up last summer when Greenpeace USA staged a demonstration against well-known eco-activist Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who’s been an outspoken opponent of the proposal for a 130-turbine wind-power project in Horseshoe Shoal, a shallow portion of Nantucket Sound south of Cape Cod. Kennedy — a senior attorney at Natural Resources Defense Council and a pioneer in the waterway-protection movement — was on a sailboat for an event with the Alliance to Protect Nantucket Sound, which opposes the wind project. A Greenpeace vessel cruised up alongside with a banner that read, “Bobby, you’re on the wrong boat” — a stunt that was part of a larger Greenpeace campaign pressuring Kennedy to change his mind on the development."
RFK Jr. and other prominent enviros face off over Cape Cod wind farm
https://grist.org/article/capecod/
"When Sombart says: "Capitalism is born from the money-loan", I should like to add to this: Capitalism actually exists only in the money-loan;" - Theodor Fritsch
Ouch! Yeah...that's a problem.
That doesn't make me feel all warm and fuzzy. It just adds RFKjr to the Michael Moores and Gretta Thunbergs of the world who are also against wind farms and yet offer no solutions
No nukes. No coal. No oil. No solar. No windfarms. No wood burning fire places. No natural gas stoves. What's left?
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
RFK Jr. should just stick to big pharma, the covid vaccines, and saying the CIA killed his father and uncle.
"Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."
Calvin Coolidge
Overdevelopment, Reckless use of pesticides and GMO, mining and fracking in places that SHOULD NOT happen, that's all we need.
Think about all the domestic savings if we did not export our fossil fuels. Think about how much less fossil fuels would be burning and how CHEAPER they would be at the same time if ONLY we shut down the 180+ foreign US Military Industrial Complex bases around the world - which is what RFK said he would do in his announcement speech. Yep, he would be the first president to shut down the great majority of US bases overseas. "Fortess America" is what he said he's for. It was his grandfather's idea. Make it so nobody would ever think about attacking us, but take our military out of all the world's affairs. They don't want us. Right fully so.
But wait - it gets even better/worse than that. We have flying metal balls on FILM which are OBVIOUSLY using ANTI_GRAVITY_PROPULSION. Our Congress has these films but nothing is being done about it. The Deep State HOLDS BACK REAL BOUNDLESS ENERGY that doesn't DESTROY THE ONLY EARTH... it would change our lives and humanity forever if they only SHARED the UFO SECRETS with us. JFK did that. He was killed. It's complicated. JFK as the junior Senator in 1947 tried to get to the heart of Roswell by saying it wasn't fair how the CIA was taking it over from the Pentagon, as the Deep State developed all that secret Tesla Technology and Nazi Flying Saucers. This energy stuff could be free for all and would preserve our FORMERLY LOVELY planet and help us GRADUATE to the NEXT LEVEL as a species if only they would stop holding them back for militaristic purposes. RFK I maintain is the only REAL DEAL in this race.
Last edited by Snowball; 04-23-2023 at 03:26 PM.
"When Sombart says: "Capitalism is born from the money-loan", I should like to add to this: Capitalism actually exists only in the money-loan;" - Theodor Fritsch
I'm sick of hearing about Trump as Troublemaker. In 2016 I said I'd believe it when I saw it, and in 2020 I could honestly say I didn't see it.
We need a troublemaker. We also, as we have learned the hard way, need a figure who can attract more support than just ours.
He's a Kennedy. He cuts to the very heart of the current regime, which as you may recall, took power in the Kennedy coup. And he's ready to make trouble. The Death Jab appears to have really pissed him off.
I think that, the way he's going, and given that we both remember when that batch of Ma$$hole bootleggers were American Royalty, and he knows who killed his uncle, his dad and his nephew, he'll soon understand the purpose of the Second Amendment. I don't think he's stupid enough to think he's safer in Langley than Nebraska. He'll come around.
I've heard it and heard it about somebody else. It's a true statement about this guy. Nobody else on the horizon can and will take this swamp on.
Last edited by acptulsa; 04-23-2023 at 03:44 PM.
Gonna go out on a limb here and say in the event RFK Jr. were to become president, it's because the Deep State gave him their blessing and they'll use him to push the climate change lockdown agenda.
"Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."
Calvin Coolidge
Pretty much my POV as well.
There is no spoon.
What about Trump/Kennedy 2024?It won't happen, but just imagine Kennedy vs. Trump. The "anti-vaxxer" vs. "warp speed".
That would explode the left/right paradigm once and for all.
That will get a lot of Dem votes for Trump, and Kennedy can run in 2028.
Elect a Rep and a Dem at the same time...
FJB
That ticket is pure MAGA fanfiction and has no chance of happening. That would require Trump to go against the covid vaccines and he's clearly incapable of that despite all the data showing how unsafe, ineffective, and dangerous they are.What about Trump/Kennedy 2024?
That will get a lot of Dem votes for Trump, and Kennedy can run in 2028.
Elect a Rep and a Dem at the same time...
"Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."
Calvin Coolidge
Trump Kennedy alliance. Whomever gets elected the other is VP.What about Trump/Kennedy 2024?
That will get a lot of Dem votes for Trump, and Kennedy can run in 2028.
Elect a Rep and a Dem at the same time...
MSM: Biden has no serious opposition within his own party.
A Kennedy is no serious competition. That's not what the CIA said about those other three Kennedys.
Trump/Biden (same team) seems more legit, if they weren’t of course running “against” each other.
Last edited by PAF; 04-25-2023 at 04:31 PM.
____________
Mises Institute
An Agorist Primer ~ Samuel Edward Konkin III (free PDF download)
The End of All Evil ~ Jeremy Locke (free PDF download)
It’s not up to government to find solutions. It’s up to innovators/entrepreneurs, companies on their own dime and the free market.
____________
Mises Institute
An Agorist Primer ~ Samuel Edward Konkin III (free PDF download)
The End of All Evil ~ Jeremy Locke (free PDF download)
Hard for the free market to work if "climate deniers" get put in prison. That said, I like RFK jr more than I dislike him.
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
I listened to the entire speech. I didn’t get the impression that he wanted to or would jail folks with an opinion either way. I’m pretty sure he was referencing the corporations who severely pollute and strip mine public land affecting peoples lives. The first step is what JFK Jr said and that is getting rid of crony corporatists/lobbyists in bed with government who have devastated this country.
Otherwise, the problems will persist.
____________
Mises Institute
An Agorist Primer ~ Samuel Edward Konkin III (free PDF download)
The End of All Evil ~ Jeremy Locke (free PDF download)
"Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
"Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
"Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
"Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
Proponent of real science.
The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.
https://twitter.com/cliftonaduncan/s...44873839120385
"Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
"Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
"Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
"Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
Proponent of real science.
The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.
The whole narrative is absurd on its face - at the same time the USA was both founded on White supremacy, slavery, and genocide, yet always meant to be a place that infinity Africans, Indians, and South Americans could come for a "better life"? - Unknown
Full tweet:
It is dawning on mainstream figures like Anthony Fauci that their Covid policies were a public health disaster. Lots of us are angry about the mandates, the lockdowns, the censorship, the insanity. But we need to avoid the toxic quagmire of retribution and blame and focus on ensuring this never happens again. Clean up the regulatory agencies, get corporate money out of public health, and guarantee free, open, uncensored public and scientific discourse.
Posting Permissions
Reply With Quote
Connect With Us