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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    I know Trump, RFK, Desantis, etc are probably all puppets...
    This particular one doesn't have that smell to me, and he didn't seem to have that smell to Ron Paul when he said the CIA killed his uncle on the Liberty Report.

    If a movement coalesces around this man, I'm on that bandwagon. He can get the EPA wrong; he has mRNA right. I'm allowed to be a single issue voter when that issue is postponing the Second Coming.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.



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  3. #32
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    This particular one doesn't have that smell to me, and he didn't seem to have that smell to Ron Paul when he said the CIA killed his uncle on the Liberty Report.

    If a movement coalesces around this man, I'm on that bandwagon. He can get the EPA wrong; he has mRNA right. I'm allowed to be a single issue voter when that issue is postponing the Second Coming.
    I respect your usual skepticism. It's usually deeper than mine. I hope you are right on this one.
    ...

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    I respect your usual skepticism. It's usually deeper than mine. I hope you are right on this one.
    Unlike the last guy, this one is laying it out unvarnished. His history and record are very different. And nobody can say the current sack of oatmeal isn't vulnerable to being primaried.

    https://twitter.com/markfindaddy/sta...95232296251393



    Besides, I've gone partisan. I'm a die-hard anti-jabber. The GOP isn't offering me anyone fervent enough to suit me so far. If a Kennedy wants to cause trouble, I want to help.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 04-20-2023 at 09:36 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

  7. #35
    RFK Jr is the real deal. He makes Trump and DeSantis look like puppets.
    "When Sombart says: "Capitalism is born from the money-loan", I should like to add to this: Capitalism actually exists only in the money-loan;" - Theodor Fritsch

  8. #36
    The Carlson interview from last night is worth watching.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

  9. #37
    In 2007 I was considering supporting Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich. I picked Ron Paul based on gun control. I believe elements within the U.S. government either caused 9/11 to happen or allowed it to happen. Why would I let that same government take away my right to own firearms? RFK Jr. is also, unfortunately, bad on guns.

    https://twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr/...20839653662720



    That said, there is no Ron Paul in this race. Right now it looks to be a two way race between Desantis and Trump. I like senator Tim Scott better than either of them but I don't think Tim Scott is a Ron Paul either. Frankly I don't see RFK Jr. beating Biden, but I'm hoping he'll poll high enough to make the debates and force Biden to answer serious questions about vaccine mandates and this foolish war in Ukraine. We shall see Sam McGee.
    Last edited by jmdrake; 04-21-2023 at 07:20 AM.
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    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  10. #38
    I think it’s a God send Kennedy is running against Biden for D nomination

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by vita3 View Post
    I think it’s a God send Kennedy is running against Biden for D nomination
    It won't happen, but just imagine Kennedy vs. Trump. The "anti-vaxxer" vs. "warp speed".

    That would explode the left/right paradigm once and for all.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  12. #40
    Strategically I'm considering a cross over in the primaries and voting for RFK jr. The democrats aren't going to be smart enough to figure out that he's the best of their bunch so they're gonna need some help. Here in Georgia they'll probably try to run Stacy Abrams or some stupid s*#%.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
    T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men

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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    In 2007 I was considering supporting Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich. I picked Ron Paul based on gun control. I believe elements within the U.S. government either caused 9/11 to happen or allowed it to happen. Why would I let that same government take away my right to own firearms? RFK Jr. is also, unfortunately, bad on guns.

    https://twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr/...20839653662720



    That said, there is no Ron Paul in this race. Right now it looks to be a two way race between Desantis and Trump. I like senator Tim Scott better than either of them but I don't think Tim Scott is a Ron Paul either. Frankly I don't see RFK Jr. beating Biden, but I'm hoping he'll poll high enough to make the debates and force Biden to answer serious questions about vaccine mandates and this foolish war in Ukraine. We shall see Sam McGee.
    Yeah, that's a deal breaker for me as well.

    Assuming Trump gets the nod for 2024 and he's not dead or in jail, I'll probably write in Ron based on Trump's "Red Flag" support and vaccine support.

    He's gain a lot of respect in my eyes if he would just put aside his got damned ego for five minutes and sincerely apologize for "warp speed".
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Yeah, that's a deal breaker for me as well.

    Assuming Trump gets the nod for 2024 and he's not dead or in jail, I'll probably write in Ron based on Trump's "Red Flag" support and vaccine support.

    He's gain a lot of respect in my eyes if he would just put aside his got damned ego for five minutes and sincerely apologize for "warp speed".
    Yeah. This early in the game I simply want RFK Jr. to put pressure on Biden. As for the GOP field I don't particularly like any of them. I'd love to support Tim Scott, but it looks like he's worse than Biden on Ukraine.

    https://www.scott.senate.gov/media-c...id-ukraine-war
    Senator Scott Statement on Vote for Defense Spending Amid Ukraine War
    WASHINGTON – U.S. Senator Tim Scott (R-S.C.) released a statement on his vote to approve defense spending amid Russia's attack on Ukraine.

    “Throughout the war in Ukraine, the Biden administration has led from behind—waiting too long to provide too little support,” said Senator Tim Scott. “With this defense spending bill, Congress is stepping in to send a clear message to Vladimir Putin and dictators around the world that the United States will not tolerate their bullying and aggression. American strength at home and abroad is the only way to ensure security and freedom for our people today and generations to come.”

    Good grief, it sounds like he's possessed by Lindsey Graham! Is there just something in the S.C. water that makes senators particularly stupid?
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    Strategically I'm considering a cross over in the primaries and voting for RFK jr. The democrats aren't going to be smart enough to figure out that he's the best of their bunch so they're gonna need some help. Here in Georgia they'll probably try to run Stacy Abrams or some stupid s*#%.
    Republicans should definitely do this. Make it a WIN WIN.

    Less important whether Trump or DeSantis is GOP if the Democrat is Biden or worse.
    "When Sombart says: "Capitalism is born from the money-loan", I should like to add to this: Capitalism actually exists only in the money-loan;" - Theodor Fritsch

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    Republicans should definitely do this. Make it a WIN WIN.

    Less important whether Trump or DeSantis is GOP if the Democrat is Biden or worse.
    Well the democrats are never going to seek out the anti-establishment candidate in their primaries. They're too busy either (A) switching over to republican primaries to help the republican establishment squash any 'fringe' (i.e. non-establishment) opponents or (B) they're lockstep in line with the DNC. I'm slightly less concerned with specific policy as I am keeping the anti-establishment sentiment alive, and right now, the left is devoid of any serious pushback and is LOOONG overdue for its 'tea party'. My mother is as pro-Trump as MAGA can get, but she recognizes RFK jr's not one of the annointed ones. Even bought his book about Fauci.

    Non-establishment liberals were run out of their party by the Clinton/Bernie fiasco (not that I would have been particularly happy with Bernie, but the anti-establishment sentiment was there) and resigned themselves to obscurity after being met with resistance (which kinda sounds like us, TBH).
    Last edited by nobody's_hero; 04-20-2023 at 04:13 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
    T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men

    "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato

    We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me

    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm
    I part ways with "libertarianism" when it transitions from ideology grounded in logic into self-defeating autism for the sake of ideological purity.

  18. #45
    https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/statu...51328301301760



  19. #46
    I can't wait to see what the Democrats response is going to be when RFK Jr. attacks Biden by saying he knows the vaccines are dangerous.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    It won't happen, but just imagine Kennedy vs. Trump. The "anti-vaxxer" vs. "warp speed".

    That would explode the left/right paradigm once and for all.
    Another thing that won't happen is a Trump/Kennedy ticket.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

  21. #48
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  23. #49
    Almost 70?

    Hes on top of his game.
    "An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.

    "To learn who rules over you simply find out who you arent allowed to criticize."

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    I would accept JFK jr. over HRC, Biden, Sanders, Warren, Harris, Obama, Schumer, Pelosi, and so many others.

    At least he has principles and integrity.
    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    Strategically I'm considering a cross over in the primaries and voting for RFK jr. The democrats aren't going to be smart enough to figure out that he's the best of their bunch so they're gonna need some help. Here in Georgia they'll probably try to run Stacy Abrams or some stupid s*#%.
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Yeah, that's a deal breaker for me as well.

    Assuming Trump gets the nod for 2024 and he's not dead or in jail, I'll probably write in Ron based on Trump's "Red Flag" support and vaccine support.

    He's gain a lot of respect in my eyes if he would just put aside his got damned ego for five minutes and sincerely apologize for "warp speed".
    You know what? Screw it! There is no Ron Paul this year. Rand should run, despite what my friend @Matt Collins says, but he won't. Neither Trump nor Desantis are perfect on gun control, and in his zeal to stamp out "wokeness" in Florida, even actually black history, like the story of Ruby Bridges, are being cast aside. Tim Scott, while good on race relations and police brutality, is a full throated neocon who thinks Biden isn't doing enough damage to the Ukrainian people. RFK Jr. called out corporate socialism on Tucker Carlson! That's epic!



    So at this point I'm behind RFK Jr. The GOP will likely keep the house and might take the Senate. On the gun control front we have to get better on our messaging on how to protect schools. I'm working on that on my end. Look for the launch of a new YouTube channel soon.

    Edit: Note. RFK Jr. is now the candidate who must not be talked about. Remember when that was Ron Paul?
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  25. #51
    Democrat primary will be stacked with cross-over voters.

    Charlie Kirk @charliekirk11
    A Kennedy is running for the Presidency and the media is largely ignoring it or calling him a "nut."

    Why?

    Because he is calling to end the Ukraine War and taking on Big Pharma.
    "When Sombart says: "Capitalism is born from the money-loan", I should like to add to this: Capitalism actually exists only in the money-loan;" - Theodor Fritsch

  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    In 2007 I was considering supporting Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich. I picked Ron Paul based on gun control. I believe elements within the U.S. government either caused 9/11 to happen or allowed it to happen. Why would I let that same government take away my right to own firearms? RFK Jr. is also, unfortunately, bad on guns.
    I really wanted to see Ron Paul vs Kucinich on the Presidential debate stage. Or even Rand vs Bernie. A true small gov against an honest socialist. I mean Obama wasn't a socialist. He was a corporatist. McCain wasn't a conservative. He was a corporatist as well. Some of the best political discussions I had back in the day were with Kucinich supporters. I disagreed with them on some issues, but by and large they knew what was up.
    ...

  27. #53
    Is primary voting in 2023 or 2024?

  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I'll probably write in Ron based on Trump's "Red Flag" support and vaccine support.

    He's gain a lot of respect in my eyes if he would just put aside his got damned ego for five minutes and sincerely apologize for "warp speed".
    I kind of forgave Trump on vaccines at first. I figured he had a boomer approach, and he didn't mandate them. But the way he claims, to this day, that warp speed was one of the greatest accomplishments in human history is too much.

    I also heard an interview with RFK, that early on around the 2016 election that Trump was looking into the vaccine/autism connection, but apparently he sold out to Pfizer. Whether that's true or not who know by the words. But by actions, it appears correct. If that's incorrect, Trump really needs to admit that he was wrong. That was one of the greatest disasters in huan history.
    ...

  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by vita3 View Post
    Is primary voting in 2023 or 2024?
    It will start early next year
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    I kind of forgave Trump on vaccines. I figured he had a boomer approach, and he didn't mandate them. But the way he claims, to this day, that warp speed was one of the greatest accomplishments in human history is too much.

    I also heard an interview with RFK, that early on around the 2016 election that Trump was looking into the vaccine/autism connection, but apparently he sold out to Pfizer. Whether that's true or not who know by the words. But by actions, it appears correct.
    I don't know if I could fully back an RFK run, but I could certainly take part as a "wrecker".

    Th gun issue is so important to me because, if you do not have that issue "right", you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of man and government.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan



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  32. #57
    I'm definitely crossing over to vote for RFK.

    He's said some scary things in the past regarding gun ownership and climate change, but no scarier than what we know about Trump or DeSAntos.

  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I don't know if I could fully back an RFK run, but I could certainly take part as a "wrecker".

    Th gun issue is so important to me because, if you do not have that issue "right", you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of man and government.
    I'm probably not voting for RFK either, but I wish him the best. That party needs a breath of sanity.
    ...

  34. #59
    What are the chances RFK Jr. ends up running as an independent and splits the liberal vote? Or would that result in an automatic assassination?
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    I'm definitely crossing over to vote for RFK.

    He's said some scary things in the past regarding gun ownership and climate change, but no scarier than what we know about Trump or DeSAntos.
    If he changes his stance on gun control and climate change I'll gladly vote for him. Until then, he hasn't earned my vote.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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