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Things seem to be moving pretty quickly, friends... the latest gun grab push which seems to have a fervor that outpaces past efforts, the war on reality, the impending collapse of the petrodollar, the possibility of another world war, and now this? It's a good time to take stock of your preparations - physical, and especially spiritual.
I completely agree and dont believe for a minute that the least gun push is about your, public safety..Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty
hard to believe that they are dumb enough to proceed with this bull$#@!. Rand was right, DA should be arrested for fraudulent charges and election interference.
I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.
Donald Trump indicted; 1st ex-president charged with crime
https://apnews.com/article/trump-hus...c6379deae75faa
Michael R. Sisak, Eric Tucker, & Colleen Long (30 March 2023)
A Manhattan grand jury has voted to indict Donald Trump on charges involving payments made during the 2016 presidential campaign to silence claims of an extramarital sexual encounter, his lawyers said Thursday, producing the first criminal case against a former U.S. president and a jolt to Trump’s bid to retake the White House.
Trump, who has denied any wrongdoing and has repeatedly attacked the investigation, called the indictment “political persecution” and predicted it would damage Democrats in 2024.
The indictment is an extraordinary development after years of investigations into his business, political and personal dealings. It is likely to galvanize critics who say Trump lied and cheated his way to the top and embolden supporters who feel the Republican is being unfairly targeted by a Democratic prosecutor.
In a statement, his lawyers, Susan Necheles and Joseph Tacopina, said: “He did not commit any crime. We will vigorously fight this political prosecution in court.”
The district attorney’s investigation centered on money paid to porn actor Stormy Daniels and former Playboy model Karen McDougal, whom he feared would go public with claims that they had extramarital sexual encounters with him.
Trump was expected to surrender to authorities next week, though the details were still being worked out, according to a person familiar with the matter who was not authorized to discuss a matter that remained under seal.
In bringing the charges, the Manhattan district attorney, Alvin Bragg, is embracing an unusual case that had been investigated by two previous sets of prosecutors, both of which declined to take the politically explosive step of seeking Trump’s indictment.
In the weeks leading up to the indictment, Trump railed about the investigation on social media and urged supporters to protest on his behalf, prompting tighter security around the Manhattan criminal courthouse.
Trump faces other potential legal perils as he seeks to reassert control of the Republican Party and stave off a slew of one-time allies who are seeking or are likely to oppose him for the presidential nomination.
The district attorney in Atlanta has for two years been investigating efforts by Trump and his allies to meddle in Georgia’s 2020 vote count. And a U.S. Justice Department special counsel is investigating Trump’s storage of classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago home in Florida and his efforts to reverse his election loss.
The fate of the hush-money investigation seemed uncertain until word got out in early March that Bragg had invited Trump to testify before a grand jury, a signal that prosecutors were close to bringing charges.
Trump’s attorneys declined the invitation, but a lawyer closely allied with the former president briefly testified in an effort to undercut the credibility of Trump’s former lawyer and fixer Michael Cohen.
Late in the 2016 presidential campaign, Cohen paid Daniels $130,000 to keep her silent about what she says was a sexual encounter with Trump a decade earlier after they met at a celebrity golf tournament.
Cohen was then reimbursed by Trump’s company, the Trump Organization, which also rewarded the lawyer with bonuses and extra payments logged internally as legal expenses. Over several months, Cohen said, the company paid him $420,000.
Earlier in 2016, Cohen had also arranged for the publisher of the supermarket tabloid the National Enquirer to pay Playboy model Karen McDougal $150,000 to squelch her story of a Trump affair in a journalistically dubious practice known as “catch-and-kill.”
The payments to the women were intended to buy secrecy, but they backfired almost immediately as details of the arrangements leaked to the news media.
Federal prosecutors in New York ultimately charged Cohen in 2018 with violating federal campaign finance laws, arguing that the payments amounted to impermissible help to Trump’s presidential campaign. Cohen pleaded guilty to those charges and unrelated tax evasion counts and served time in federal prison.
Trump was implicated in court filings as having knowledge of the arrangements, but U.S. prosecutors at the time balked at bringing charges against him. The Justice Department has a longtime policy that it is likely unconstitutional to prosecute a sitting president in federal court.
Bragg’s predecessor as district attorney, Cyrus Vance Jr., then took up the investigation in 2019. While that probe initially focused on the hush money payments, Vance’s prosecutors moved on to other matters, including an examination of Trump’s business dealings and tax strategies.
Vance ultimately charged the Trump Organization and its chief financial officer with tax fraud related to fringe benefits paid to some of the company’s top executives.
The hush money matter became known around the D.A.’s office as the “zombie case,” with prosecutors revisiting it periodically but never opting to bring charges.
Bragg saw it differently. After the Trump Organization was convicted on the tax fraud charges in December, he brought fresh eyes to the well-worn case, hiring longtime white-collar prosecutor Matthew Colangelo to oversee the probe and convening a new grand jury.
Cohen became a key witness, meeting with prosecutors nearly two-dozen times, turning over emails, recordings and other evidence and testifying before the grand jury.
Trump has long decried the Manhattan investigation as “the greatest witch hunt in history.” He has also lashed out at Bragg, calling the prosecutor, who is Black, racist against white people.
The criminal charges in New York are the latest salvo in a profound schism between Trump and his hometown — a reckoning for a one-time favorite son who grew rich and famous building skyscrapers, hobnobbing with celebrities and gracing the pages of the city’s gossip press.
Trump, who famously riffed in 2016 that he “could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody” and “wouldn’t lose voters,” now faces a threat to his liberty or at least his reputation in a borough where more than 75% of voters — many of them potential jurors — went against him in the last election.
The Bastiat Collection · FREE PDF · FREE EPUB · PAPER Frédéric Bastiat (1801-1850)
- "When law and morality are in contradiction to each other, the citizen finds himself in the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense, or of losing his respect for the law."
-- The Law (p. 54)- "Government is that great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
-- Government (p. 99)- "[W]ar is always begun in the interest of the few, and at the expense of the many."
-- Economic Sophisms - Second Series (p. 312)- "There are two principles that can never be reconciled - Liberty and Constraint."
-- Harmonies of Political Economy - Book One (p. 447)· tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito ·
Beautiful spring day in my World
& yet the circus will circus
From five months ago:
https://twitter.com/michaelmalice/st...56975983747072
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https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/sta...61945894535169
Very good meme! He left off "Operation Warp Speed."
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
New York Grand Jury Indicts Donald Trump | SYSTEM UPDATE #63
https://rumble.com/v2fispq--system-update-63.html
I wonder how many people here on RPFs still think Trump is secretly a part of the elite club...
Citizen of Arizona
@cleaner4d4
I am a libertarian. I am advocating everyone enjoy maximum freedom on both personal and economic issues as long as they do not bring violence unto others.
I don't know why they don't like him, but they don't like him. Personally I think it's probably some petty reason like embarrassing Hillary in 2016 in an election he wasn't supposed to win, and maybe has no particular substance with regard to policies.
This is getting silly.T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato
We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me
You know, I've never liked him. But I voted for him in 2020. But I'm just an old country boy, what do I know?
"The Patriarch"
If it is any consolation, maybe your vote was never counted.
This is getting silly.T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato
We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me
I'm used to it, Washington state to Arizona and back. Politically it's like I never left.
"The Patriarch"
I find him personally offensive and an embarrassment to the country. His policy was for the most part not too bad.
Very True. We need more like Joe.
You mean senile pedophiles? We just need a normal president.
Very presidential-looking here. Great photo!
This is getting silly.T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato
We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me
Some libertarians are liberal.
Some libertarians are stuck on the fact that Trump is not libertarian and is somewhat of a big government guy. Trump probably doesn't know the difference between a democracy and a republic.
Bottomline is that Trump is the best weapon that we libertarians have against the Marxist globalist horde and they are the #1 threat to our constitutional republic in my opinion.
Citizen of Arizona
@cleaner4d4
I am a libertarian. I am advocating everyone enjoy maximum freedom on both personal and economic issues as long as they do not bring violence unto others.
Source?? From my point of view, that Marxist globalist horde flourished under Trump.
"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
To be clear: The "They" referenced in my comment was meant to imply "TPTB". I think there is some misunderstanding that I was referring to people here at RPF. Some people here don't like Trump ranging from admittedly valid reasons, to 'he doesn't smile enough'.
So rephrasing:
TPTB don't like Trump, but I don't know why.
I'm guessing:
The MIC got pissed at Trump because he didn't start a war with Iran when our plastic drone got shot down in the Persian Gulf. Not sure why Big Pharma turned on him. Soros doesn't like him because he's kinda $#@!ing up the years of carefully crafted MSM propaganda structure to gradually and subtly shift the USA towards socialism, with Trump using "fake news" as the battle cry. Hillary was supposed to be the first female corrupt president but Trump messed that up.
#1 threat IMO remains the mainstream media as it is the potter that molds minds like clay, and the megaphone that sends out the marching orders. Ron Paul *should* have been the guy to dismantle the empire of lies (undoubtedly he did that for many of us on a personal level); Trump was the guy who really lit a fire under it and it's purely because of personality rather than principle. Ron was just too timid (lack of a better term) (Ron was a philosopher with bad warrior skills, Trump is a warrior with bad philosophy skills, I'm holding out hope for . . . Massie?).
I really don't want to lose the skepticism that has been generated, particularly in the GOP ranks, if some empty suit like Pence or Romney gets in and puts everyone back to sleep. But you know, they do have great smiles and their presentation is more respectable, or something.
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This is getting silly.T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato
We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me
The source for my opinion is... well... me. Do I need to create an entry in Wikipedia or something?
More of this source nonsense? Do I need to have some designated authority to validate my thoughts and opinions? Is my position only credible if someone in a fancy hat declares it first and then I repeat it?
I am my own authority with my own sense. I am the source of my conclusions.
I am not a fan of the appeal to authority fallacy that says we need some "expert" to tell us what the truth is. I am not claiming to be an expert in psyops. I am just some guy that has my own experiences to draw conclusions from.
You are free to create some conspiracy theory that Trump is some double agent working for the CIA and that he is here to round up all anti-marxists for execution or whatever. To me, that just seems stupid. I remember people on YouTube that were telling me that Ron Paul and Gandalf actor Ian McKellen are the same person, as proven by an examination of their ears in photographs. It seems stupid to me.
I certainly haven't said anything about searching anybody hotels or any perp walks through Manhattan, so I don't know what you are talking about there.
I simply think it is EXTREMELY obvious that the uniparty of globalists considers Donald Trump their enemy. You can stick with your theory of controlled opposition or whatever and I will continue to stick with the opinion that you are wrong and delusional.
Citizen of Arizona
@cleaner4d4
I am a libertarian. I am advocating everyone enjoy maximum freedom on both personal and economic issues as long as they do not bring violence unto others.
I suspect TPTB don't like Trump because he is effective, at least in terms of winning the White House and waking up tens of millions to the truth. In the past it was just a small group of us nut Ron Paul supporters that would complain about fake news and such. We were easily handled and doused. Trump broke through the illusion for the masses.
Now the fake news is exposed to everyone.
Now the medical industry is exposed.
Now the war machine is exposed.
Now the legal system is exposed.
Now the educational system is exposed.
The fraud is now common knowledge and that is a HUGE problem TPTB didn't want. It is no longer just the talk of Alex Jones wingnuts that they could easily dismiss. Trump air dropped the glasses for everyone and what was once hidden in plain sight is now right in our faces. I think this is why TPTB don't like Trump.
Citizen of Arizona
@cleaner4d4
I am a libertarian. I am advocating everyone enjoy maximum freedom on both personal and economic issues as long as they do not bring violence unto others.
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The “golden escalator “ narrative makes me want to puke
This least move agaisnt Trump
Despite not caring to much about Trump.
Seems to be political motivated just nothing more than trying to delay Trump from making Trump a Candidate in 2024.
It's the time proven way to win an election. Jail your opponents.
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