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    Absolute Zero: "All remaining airports close" ... "All shipping declines to zero"

    Absolute Zero and the Western Holodomor
    The New Discourses Podcast with James Lindsay, Episode 116 (15 May 2023)

    You have probably heard of "Net Zero," the unrealistically ambitious target of having no net greenhouse gas emissions by some point in the relatively near future (2030, maybe 2050 at the latest). A report filed in 2019 by the prestigious government-funded UK organization of engineers and scientists, UK FIRES (, thinks Net Zero is not enough and is pushing for an insanely aggressive program called "Absolute Zero" (, absolutely zero emissions by 2050. What does it entail? Among other things, no flights, no container shipping, no red meat consumption, no cement, no new steel production, and no fossil fuel use for any reason, even plastics, by 2050. How do they expect this to be possible? Draconian governmental action combined with drastic semi-voluntary reductions in individual quality of life for all citizens. In this episode of the New Discourses Podcast, host James Lindsay reads the Executive Summary of the UK FIRES "Absolute Zero" report [(pdf file:, hosted by Cambridge University, by the way] to expose the unworkable, catastrophic insanity of their zero-emissions program in the UK and beyond, warning that it sets the stage for a Western Holodomor.

    PDF file:

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    Frédéric Bastiat (1801-1850)

    • "When law and morality are in contradiction to each other, the citizen finds himself in the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense, or of losing his respect for the law."
      -- The Law (p. 54)
    • "Government is that great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
      -- Government (p. 99)
    • "[W]ar is always begun in the interest of the few, and at the expense of the many."
      -- Economic Sophisms - Second Series (p. 312)
    • "There are two principles that can never be reconciled - Liberty and Constraint."
      -- Harmonies of Political Economy - Book One (p. 447)

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    "All remaining airports close" ... "All shipping declines to zero" ... "Fossil fuels complete[ly] phased out" ...

    "I love it when people say that Ayn Rand's villains were too over-the-top and unrealistic." -- Michael Malice

    (I guess there won't be much for Ragnar Danneskjöld to do - they'll just do it themselves: "All shipping declines to zero")
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    "Fossil fuels complete[ly] phased out":

    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    UN calls for mass fossil fuel shutdowns to prevent 'climate time bomb'
    Published March 20, 2023 2:13pm EDT

    The United Nations (U.N.) published its latest climate change report Monday, which doubled down on global warming-related risks and which the intergovernmental organization dubbed a "survival guide for humanity."

    The synthesis report, assembled by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), represents the U.N.'s latest attempt to sound the alarm on the risks posed by climate change and not taking aggressive actions to halt global warming. According to the document, "unsustainable energy and land use" has caused the world to warm 1.1 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels, close to the 1.5-degree emergency threshold.

    "The rate of temperature rise in the last half-century is the highest in 2,000 years," U.N. Secretary-General António Guterres said in a video message Monday. "Concentrations of carbon dioxide are at their highest in at least 2 million years. The climate time bomb is ticking. But today’s IPCC report is a how-to guide to defuse the climate time bomb. It is a survival guide for humanity."

    "As it shows, the 1.5-degree limit is achievable. But it will take a quantum leap in climate action," he continued. "This report is a clarion call to massively fast-track climate efforts by every country and every sector and on every time frame. In short, our world needs climate action on all fronts, everything, everywhere, all at once."
    (bold emphasis added)
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    "All remaining airports close" ...

    [additional matter hidden to save space]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    There is no such thing as "zero emissions" anything.

    Just "not in my backyard" emissions.

    California to Require ‘Zero Emissions’ Passenger Trains After 2030, Freight After 2035

    JOEL B. POLLAK 28 Apr 2023

    The California Air Resources Board (CARB) has enacted new regulations that will require “zero emissions” trains to be introduced after 2030, focusing on a sector often seen as a “green” alternative to cars and trucks.

    The San Francisco Chronicle reports:

    Under the new regulations, zero-emissions models will be required for all switch, industrial and passenger locomotives built after 2030 and for all freight line locomotives built after 2035. Any non-zero emissions locomotive that is 23 years old or more will not be allowed to operate in the state past 2030.

    The regulations also require train operators to open a spending account by July 2024 that they must deposit into every year to purchase or lease cleaner diesel trains and buy zero-emissions infrastructure. Operators that generate more pollutants are required to deposit more into the spending account, and the amount required to be deposited would also increase every year.

    It is unclear how the new regulations on trains would affect interstate commerce, which is regulated by Congress under the U.S. Constitution, since many trains in California also travel through other states.

    Last August, CARB finalized regulations that ban the sale of gas-powered cars in the state after 2035. California also plans to ban diesel and gas-powered trucks by 2040, and will require all-electric trucking fleets by 2042.

    It is unclear how the state’s electrical grid will support all of the “zero emissions” vehicles demanded, since it is already struggling to provide enough electricity to charge a limited number of electric vehicles at peak demand.

    The aim is to fight climate change — not through directly affecting global climate, on which California has little impact, but to foster the development of clean technology and encourage others to follow California’s example.

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    I have added a New Discourses podcast video ("Absolute Zero and the Western Holodomor") to the first post in this thread.

    (I have also added "Absolute Zero" to the thread title and rearranged the content of previous posts to accommodate the change.)

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    Videos referenced in the tweet thread below [hidden to save space]:
    Beyond Growth opening plenary - Limits to Growth: where do we stand and where do we go from here?
    The purpose of this plenary session is to identify the main issues raised by the growth and planetary limits’ nexus that we need to address to shift our economic model.

    Chair: Philippe Lamberts - MEP and Co-President (Greens/EFA), Beyond Growth Conference organiser

    - Roberta Metsola - President of the European Parliament)
    - Ursula Von der Leyen - President of the European Commission
    - Sandrine Dixson-Declève - Co-President of the Club of Rome
    - Jason Hickel - Professor, Autonomous University of Barcelona
    - Adelaïde Charlier - Climate Justice and Human Rights activist

    Beyond Growth plenary 2 – Changing the goal: from GDP growth to social prosperity
    The purpose of this plenary session is to propose a redefinition of prosperity beyond the mere criticism of GDP growth. This panel aims to propose an integrated social-ecological approach to the design of a European future-fit economy, one that couples environmental transition with social well-being.

    Chair: Aurore Lalucq - MEP (S&D), Beyond Growth Conference organise

    - Kate Raworth - Senior Associate, Oxford University
    - Maros Šefčovič - Vice-President of the European Commission for Interinstitutional Relations and Foresight
    - Romina Boarini - Director of the OECD WISE Centre
    - Florence Jany-Catrice - Professor, University of Lille
    - Giorgos Kallis - Professor, Autonomous University of Barcelona
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    Believe them when they tell you ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    "All remaining airports close" ... "All shipping declines to zero" ... "Fossil fuels complete[ly] phased out" ...
    "Number one: we need to stop drilling for fossil fuels completely ..."
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 05-29-2023 at 04:31 PM.

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    "Trump was just a chuckle-headed sucker" is not an effective sales pitch.

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