I just don't think it's a big deal. Nothing serious will happen to Trump on this piffle charges.
What's really important Tuesday is Xi in Moscow.
"When Sombart says: "Capitalism is born from the money-loan", I should like to add to this: Capitalism actually exists only in the money-loan;" - Theodor Fritsch
https://twitter.com/SaltyCracker9/st...17467521257477Originally Posted by Occam's Banana
The Bush, Clinton, and Biden families are quite obviously "above the law." As are all of the billionaires and their families.
Hell, Pelosi is effectively "above the law." Again, if you're not one of them, you don't count.
Welcome to the R3VOLUTION!
Because unlike Trump, DeSantis could win the general election. Getting involved in Trump's criminal case hurts him in the general.
That's strange.
I heard the exactly the same kind of thing back in 2016.
And yet ...
Among Democrats, maybe (and not even all of them - if we count the relatively sane ones).
But I seriously doubt there are a significant number of other people (even including so-called "Never Trumpers" - if we count the relatively sane ones) who would be sufficiently upset by it that they'd refuse to vote for DeSantis because of it (especially given how blatantly obvious it is that this is all just a ham-fisted and politically motivated stunt by the Manhattan D.A., who is one of those aforementioned not-relatively-sane Democrats).
Bragg brings a criminal case back from dead, but may have reanimated Trump’s chances
https://nypost.com/2023/03/19/bragg-...rumps-chances/
Jonathan Turley (19 March 2023)
“It’s moving. It’s alive. It’s alive . . . it’s moving . . . IT’S ALIVE!”
The scene from the 1931 movie “Frankenstein” came to mind this week as Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg prepared an indictment of former President Donald Trump.
It is the ultimate gravedigger charge, where Bragg unearthed a case from 2016 and, through a series of novel steps, is seeking to bring it back to life.
Of course, like the good doctor, Bragg shows little concern over what he has created in his Frankenstein indictment.
Bragg is combining parts from both state and federal codes.
He is reportedly going to convert a misdemeanor for falsifying financial records into a prosecution of a federal crime.
The federal crime is reportedly the failure to report a payment of $130,000 to former porn star Stormy Daniels to hush up an affair.
That was just before the presidential election and Bragg is alleging that it was an effective campaign donation.
Bragg is attempting something that many lawyers think is as improbable as the reanimation of the dead.
The Justice Department itself declined this prosecution and both the former chair of the Federal Election Commission and various election law experts have thrown shade on the theory.
Not only did Bragg’s predecessor, Cyrus Vance, not bring this case, but Bragg himself stopped the prosecution.
It was after one of Bragg’s lead prosecutors resigned and wrote a book on prosecuting Trump that pressure became too much for the district attorney, who grabbed his shovel and went to work.
There are serious challenges to this prosecution, including an argument that time has expired under the statute of limitations.
The limit is two years for a misdemeanor and, even if he can convert this into a felony, it is not clear if he can meet the longer five-year limitation.
Bragg will have to convince a court that Trump paid the hush money for the sole purpose of the election.
As a married man and television celebrity, Trump had other reasons to try to avoid a scandal.
That is precisely why such cases (like one against former Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards) failed in prior prosecutions.
However, the greater danger may come if he succeeds in moving this case to trial.
Locals in New York will be thrilled, but will the rest of the country join the pitch-folk carrying mob?
This is a patently political prosecution.
Indeed, of all of the potential charges that Trump is facing in Washington, Atlanta and New York, this is one that he must have hoped would come first.
The investigation into Trump’s actions at Mar-a-Lago by the Justice Department raise well-established crimes and an array of evidence.
While a possible charge in Georgia over election violations is weaker, it is also based on a stronger legal foundation.
If Trump were seeking a way to prove the political weaponization of the criminal justice system, Bragg just fulfilled that narrative.
Now, if these other cases result in charges, it will look like Democrats are piling on to knock Trump out of the race for 2024.
They will be painted by this transparently political prosecution.
Indeed, voters could well view the election as a vote against the establishment and the media — the very thing that got Trump elected in 2016.
A prosecution is likely to extend beyond the election.
However, if it is thrown out before that date, it will again reinforce Trump’s claims of political targeting.
The prosecution could add a truly wicked dimension to the election.
While Biden is accused of illegally possessing an array of classified material in various locations, the Justice Department has long (in my view, wrongly) followed a policy that it cannot prosecute a sitting president.
However, would it indict Trump but not Biden on that basis? Again, the public is unlikely to stand for a perceived double standard.
Then there is the question of a self-pardon. I have long maintained that a president can pardon himself.
That would mean that the election could become a vote on who you want protected from prosecution: Biden (under the DOJ rule) or Trump (under a self pardon).
While many celebrate Bragg restoring life to the statutorily deceased, they should consider what he has created.
Bragg is releasing this case into a public that is already on edge.
Polls show that a large number of Americans believe that the legal system is being politicized and hold both state and federal government in suspicion.
A fifth of Americans now view the government as the greatest threat facing the nation. What is truly shocking is that 53% in one poll agreed with the statement that the FBI acts like “Biden’s Gestapo.”
This case could well succeed at trial, but it will come at a great cost even if overturned on appeal. It is inviting other prosecutors to act with the same political abandon.
In the 1931 movie, Dr. Frankenstein that “you have created a monster, and it will destroy you!” [sic]
Bragg is risking the reanimation of more than a cadaverous crime. Indeed, he could single-handedly reanimate the presidency of Donald J. Trump.
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DeSantis won re-election by almost 20 points. Trump didn't get anywhere close to that. DeSantis gets broad support because people from both sides and the middle like what he is doing. Maybe they don't come out and say it because they are scared in the current woke climate, but they show it with their votes. If DeSantis gets himself involved with Trump's criminal case it hurts him with those middle voters who do not like Trump.
DeSantis has played this whole situation very safe, don't expect any change in that.
Yeah, yeah, we've been over that before.
Not if they dislike what that clown in Manhattan is trying to do even more than they dislike Trump. As Turley notes in the article I just posted above, they are more likely to be fed up with such transparently partisan shenanigans. (And most of them are not the sort of hard-core "Never Trumpers" you seem to think they are, anyway. Most of them are just people who prefer DeSantis to Trump.)
IOW: They're not nearly so single-minded about anything involving Trump (just because it involves Trump) as you are (or as you seem to think they are). They are perfectly capable of supporting DeSantis while opposing what the Democrats are trying to do to Trump. There is no sensible reason for them to withdraw their support of DeSantis if he blocks or denies any kind of extradition or arrest of "Donald J. Trump" - in fact, there is good reason for them to increase their support of DeSantis if he blocks or denies any kind of extradition or arrest of"Donald J. Trump""a former Republican president being hounded by a blatantly bogus and politically-motivated prosecution". If you actually believe otherwise, then you must have a pretty low opinion of DeSantis supporters. (Hell, I don't like either Trump or DeSantis, but DeSantis would get a big thumbs-up from me if he did such a thing.)
I don't expect anything from any politicians (especially not the ones who "play safe").
That way, I'm never disappointed.
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Believe what you want. Trump will never be president again. DeSantis will be the nominee in the future be it 24 or 28 and has a good chance at winning.
Jeezus H. Christ! Nothing I said has a goddam thing to do with whether Trump will ever be president again.
(At least, not to any relatively sane person whose wits haven't been thoroughly scrambled by TDS.)
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In my best TheTexan impersonation:Jeezus H. Christ! Nothing I said has a goddam thing to do with whether Trump will ever be president again.
(At least, not to any relatively sane person whose wits haven't been thoroughly scrambled by TDS.)
He will be elected president again though, just to be clear on that.
Last edited by nobody's_hero; 03-19-2023 at 07:58 PM.
This is getting silly.T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato
We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to nobody's_hero again.
So many people follow scripts these days, and they think everyone else does too. I really hate talking politics because of this. From the Q-bots to the TDS folks, they are the same mentality. If you don't recite their script verbatim, they think that your reciting someone else's. Then they give you a lecture about something you never stated.Jeezus H. Christ! Nothing I said has a goddam thing to do with whether Trump will ever be president again.
(At least, not to any relatively sane person whose wits haven't been thoroughly scrambled by TDS.)
I used to say that I only discuss politics with sane people regardless of beliefs. I may change that to only people who talk politics without a script.
...
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Jer. 11:18-20. "The Kingdom of God has come upon you." -- Matthew 12:28
I even struck out Trump's name and replaced it with a generic description ("a former Republican president [...]") in bold emphasis, specifically in order to highlight that my point wasn't about Trump per se - but when you're dealing with TDS that thick, I guess there's just no punching through it.
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https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/sta...75025850687489
Chicken $#@! charges
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fUErhcTR_vY
Makes a lot of sense that Orange makeup would want these charges to happen first
They are the weakest he faces
& most political
Should energize some of his base so he can play the victim card.
Those people are called NPCs.
"I shall bring justice to Westeros. Every man shall reap what he has sown, from the highest lord to the lowest gutter rat. They have made my kingdom bleed, and I do not forget that."
-Stannis Baratheon
I have three words for you: Lee Harvey Oswald.
"Trump isn't the river, he's the dam."--Michael Malice. He wouldn't be without having to endure some theatrics.
https://twitter.com/DC_Draino/status...77816337162240
Last edited by acptulsa; 03-20-2023 at 08:37 AM.
Which was the government's objective all along.
Get people to sit down and shut up and disengage.
“Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.” - Arnold Toynbee
You remind me of my great-aunt on Fedbook, whose only content is anti-Trump memes. Trump broke her sanity.
Trump was only in office for four years, not decades like Biden, the Bushes, the Clintons, the Obamas (around a decade in this instance), McConnell, Romney, Schumer, Graham, et al. He is not even remotely responsible for all of the ills that plague our nation. He didn't start any new wars, he wasn't banging the war drums with Russia, he wasn't trying to force his stupid Operation Warpspeed vaccine on people, he wasn't trying to pervert my children, he wasn't trying to tax me to death, he wasn't trying to disarm me (bumpstock ban notwithstanding), he wasn't behind the PATRIOT Act, he didn't Orchestrate 9/11, etc.
It's certainly valid to dislike, or even hate Trump, but it seems that you are fixated on him. Do you hate the people who have actually been the source of our problems, for decades, with even half the vigor?
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"I shall bring justice to Westeros. Every man shall reap what he has sown, from the highest lord to the lowest gutter rat. They have made my kingdom bleed, and I do not forget that."
-Stannis Baratheon
Ya , been third world for awhile . Figured everybody was used to it by now.
Do something Danke
I'm not predicting it will happen but the set-up scenario is there and would generate more clickbait headlines and drama, which is part and parcel to election season (Swordy is lickin' his chops at the thought). I guess the difference is that I think there is no genuine conflict between DeSantis and Trump and it's all performance art for the masses. The gifs I posted try to demonstrate that. You may have a different opinion. The near absurdity of the nature of potential charge against Trump, regarding paying Daniels, pretty much stinks of being contrived and timed, especially when any one who has looked deeper into the Trump history knows there's much more meat on that bone to go after if building a real criminal case is the goal. He and his family have thrived from outright fraud and misrepresentations for at least the last 8 years.
Last edited by devil21; 03-20-2023 at 12:03 PM.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
I kinda agree though? TPTB would love an opportunity to re-do Jan 6th since it's becoming revealed that they blew it the first time. I'm starting to wonder if it isn't better to just let the dems keep throwing themselves against the wall. The MSM still hasa bitway too much credibility (still the #1 threat to our freedom, IMO).
I wouldn't protest this. I'd let the dems make fools of themselves (again) with another witch hunt, and then ask if people are ready to stop believing the news. (they won't be, but I doubt a protest would convince them otherwise anyway, protests are really only good for letting you know that you aren't alone (which is nice in itself, don't get me wrong), but it's pretty rare that they cause any real changes)
You know what, I take it back. I don't agree with the premise that they want people to 'sit down and shut up'. I think they want to spark something so they can 'put the rabid dog down.' They need a Reichstag fire.
Last edited by nobody's_hero; 03-20-2023 at 08:21 AM.
This is getting silly.T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato
We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me
The MSM and much of Congress has turned into Shock Jocs. They make absurd false claims and repeat it over and over. It doesn't matter if it is true. People don't care. They are hooked on the narrative.
They'll release a headline and then on page six the next week they'll put a correction (if at all, usually not) in fine print. By then the damage is done.
This is getting silly.T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato
We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me
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