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  1. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
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    I seriously doubt that the Trump Toadies in Congress have the constitutional authority to investigate the discretionary prosecutorial authority of a local D.A. What's next, demanding all of the evidence presented the grand jury?
    We have long had death and taxes as the two standards of inevitability. But there are those who believe that death is the preferable of the two. "At least," as one man said, "there's one advantage about death; it doesn't get worse every time Congress meets."
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  4. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    So many people follow scripts these days, and they think everyone else does too. I really hate talking politics because of this. From the Q-bots to the TDS folks, they are the same mentality. If you don't recite their script verbatim, they think that your reciting someone else's. Then they give you a lecture about something you never stated.

    I used to say that I only discuss politics with sane people regardless of beliefs. I may change that to only people who talk politics without a script.
    ^^ Sage

  5. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    House Judiciary committee expands probe into Alvin Bragg's 'abuse of prosecutorial authority' in going after Trump
    Jim Jordan sent letters to former prosecutors, demanding documents and testimony on Bragg's "unprecedented abuse of prosecutorial authority."
    https://thepostmillennial.com/house-...ng-after-trump
    Ari Hoffman (23 March 2023)

    [...]
    Manhattan DA Bragg responds to House GOP doc request, says Trump 'created a false expectation' of arrest
    Bragg’s office called the GOP lawmakers’ requests 'an unlawful incursion into New York’s sovereignty'
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/man...ctation-arrest
    Houston Keene (23 March 2021)

    Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg responded to several leading House Republicans’ requests for information on the probe into former President Donald Trump, saying Trump "created a false expectation" that his arrest was imminent.

    Bragg’s general counsel sent a five-page letter to GOP House committee chairmen Jim Jordan of Ohio, Bryan Steil of Wisconsin and James Comer of Kentucky regarding their request for documents and testimony in the Trump investigation.

    The district attorney’s office said the investigation "is one of thousands conducted" by the office in its history and that Bragg "stands by his pledge" to release the conclusion of the investigation publicly.

    "Your letter dated March 20, 2023 (the ‘Letter’), in contrast, is an unprecedented inquiry into a pending local prosecution," Bragg’s office wrote.

    "The Letter only came after Donald Trump created a false expectation that he would be arrested the next day and his lawyers reportedly urged you to intervene," the letter accused. "Neither fact is a legitimate basis for congressional inquiry."

    Bragg’s office also called the lawmakers' requests "an unlawful incursion into New York’s sovereignty" as well as argued that "federal funding is an insufficient basis to justify these unconstitutional requests."

    "The Letter indicates that its requests may be related to a review of federal public safety funds," Bragg's office wrote. "But the Letter does not suggest any way in which either the District Attorney’s testimony about his prosecutorial decisions or the documents and communications of former Assistant District Attorneys on a pending criminal investigation would shed light on that review."

    "Nonetheless, to assist Congress in understanding the ways in which the DA’s Office has used federal funds, we are preparing and will submit a letter describing its use of federal funds," the office continued.

    Bragg's letter comes as Jordan sent letters Wednesday to two former Manhattan DA office attorneys seeking information that could support a claim Bragg’s prosecution of Trump is politically motivated.

    The attorneys, Mark Pomerantz and Carey Dunne, sought to prosecute Trump in 2022, but Bragg rejected their legal theories. They then resigned.

    Since then, Trump announced his candidacy for the 2024 presidential election and Bragg has changed his decision on prosecuting him.

    Jordan has contended Bragg’s sudden change of heart was tied to the announcement and has criticized what he describes as an "unprecedented abuse of prosecutorial authority."

    "This indictment comes after years of the District Attorney’s office aggressively pursuing charges, with you and other special prosecutors leading the investigation into every facet of President Trump’s finances. Last year, you resigned from the office over Bragg’s initial reluctance to move forward with charges in 2022, Bragg is now attempting to ‘shoehorn’ the same case with identical facts into a new prosecution," Jordan wrote.

    He added: "Based on your unique role in this matter, we request your cooperation with our oversight of this politically motivated prosecutorial decision."

    In the letters, Jordan requests all documents and communication between the Manhattan DA's office and the Department of Justice regarding the Trump investigation. He also requests all such documents and communications between the Manhattan DA's office and attorneys Pomerantz and Dunne.

    The Manhattan grand jury will not hear testimony, deliberate or vote on the hush-money case against former Trump on Thursday, a source has confirmed to Fox News.

    Since the grand jury does not sit on Fridays, a vote on the Trump case is not expected this week, according to the source.

    A Trump arrest would be the first time a former president has been arrested in American history.

    Only one other American president has been arrested: Ulysses S. Grant in 1872 for speeding in his horse-drawn carriage.

  6. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post

    Bragg’s office also called the lawmakers' requests "an unlawful incursion into New York’s sovereignty" as well as argued that "federal funding is an insufficient basis to justify these unconstitutional requests."
    Hopefully NY secedes over this. I share the outrage.

    Now, where is the suitcase? Did New York pack enough socks? Don't forget your toothbrush!
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
    T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men

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    We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me

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    What happens after they arrest President Trump? Raz0rfist with Sebastian Gorka One on One
    For this One on One, Sebastian talks to YouTuber Raz0rfist, AKA "Rageaholic," about the grave political implications of the possible arrest of President Trump.
    https://rumble.com/v2ehn08-what-happ...stian-gor.html

  10. #98
    “All publicity is good publicity”

    Iran & Saudi Arabia just officially made nice

    Our Syrian base which exists primarily to extract oil & protect gas pipelines..was just hit with 1 contractor dead & 5 servicemen injured

    We just dropped missiles on Iranians (Putin like war crimes?) lol

    Enuff of the DJT never ending media clown show...

    Rather be talking about getting OUT of Syria
    Last edited by vita3; 03-24-2023 at 04:05 AM.

  11. #99
    The Prosecution Of Donald Trump I Dave Smith I Part Of The Problem 977
    On this episode of Part Of The Problem Dave and Robbie take a look at [the] prospective upcoming arrest of Donald Trump in New York. We then take a look at Anthony Fauci and his recent adventure going door to door to spread his vaccine agenda.
    https://rumble.com/v2ehrw5-the-prose...oblem-977.html


    CLIP:

    Trumped up Charges
    In this clip from Part Of The Problem, Dave debates the new Donald Trump charges. This episode Was Recorded On 3.22.23
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uTyK5CpCvk
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 03-24-2023 at 09:19 PM.

  12. #100
    I just saw the baseball bat picture and the death and destruciton comment. Keep it classy Donald.

  13. #101
    "Trump was just a chuckle-headed sucker" is not an effective sales pitch.

  14. #102
    Anybody have a link to where I can donate to his criminal defense fund? It's been a while since I pissed money away on stupid $#@!. I got Kraken releasing withdrawals over here and need to give more cash to a billionaire.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  15. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    Well, we've made progress. Even theCount admits Trump is the president.
    PaTRiOTs R iN CoNTrOl!

    Which is why actually it's a good thing if Trump gets arrested because it's all part of the plan, you see.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

  16. #104
    It's not going to happen.

    They did private polling and saw the results.

    Move On.



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  18. #105
    Hate to break any hearts but it is probably gonna be the same (or very similar) situation here in Georgia. You have a case being held in the most corrupt county in the state which the rest of the state, much less the rest of the country, doesn't care about. Apparently the head of the jury is some witch or other clownery. If the libs are smart they'll just let that case die quietly.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
    T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men

    "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato

    We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me

  19. #106
    Manhattan Trump grand jury set to break for a month
    A previously planned hiatus would push back a potential indictment of the former president.
    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/0...month-00089422
    Erica Orden (29 March 2023)

    The Manhattan grand jury examining Donald Trump’s alleged role in a hush money payment to a porn star isn’t expected to hear evidence in the case for the next month largely due to a previously scheduled hiatus, according to a person familiar with the proceedings.

    The break would push any indictment of the former president to late April at the earliest, although it is possible that the grand jury’s schedule could change. In recent weeks, the Manhattan district attorney’s office hasn’t convened the panel on certain days. But it is District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s prerogative to ask the grand jury to reconvene if prosecutors want the panel to meet during previously planned breaks.

    The grand jury, which heard testimony in the Trump case on Monday, isn’t meeting Wednesday and is expected to examine evidence in a separate matter Thursday, the person said. The grand jury, which typically meets Mondays, Wednesdays and Thursdays, is scheduled to consider another case next week on Monday and Wednesday, the person said, and isn’t expected to meet Thursday due to the Passover holiday.

    The following two weeks are set to be a hiatus that was scheduled when the grand jury was first convened in January, the person said.

    A spokesperson for the Manhattan district attorney’s office declined to comment.

    There is no official deadline for bringing an indictment against Trump, although there were indications in recent weeks that the grand jury’s activity was nearing a vote, particularly when prosecutors offered Trump the chance to testify before the panel. That is typically one of the final steps of a criminal investigation. Trump declined the invitation.

    Shortly thereafter, Trump predicted on social media that he would be arrested, citing news reports, and encouraged his supporters to protest any criminal charges against him.

    Prosecutors are examining Trump’s alleged role in a $130,000 payment that was made to adult entertainer Stormy Daniels, who said she had an affair with the former president. He has denied the affair and any wrongdoing associated with the payment.

    Federal prosecutors, who charged Trump’s former lawyer Michael Cohen with crimes connected to his facilitation of the payment to Daniels, said in court filings that the Trump Organization falsely accounted for reimbursement payments made to Cohen as legal expenses.

    Manhattan prosecutors could construct their case around a charge of falsifying business records, which is the type of case that can take as little as one day to present to a grand jury or as long as a year and a half, said Karen Friedman Agnifilo, who was the chief assistant district attorney under Bragg’s predecessor, Cy Vance. “There’s truly no way to predict,” she said.

    Because the Trump case involves a large number of witnesses and the central one, Cohen, is a convicted felon, it creates a complicated set of evidence that can take time to present to the grand jury, said Jamie Pukl-Werbel, a former Manhattan assistant district attorney who teaches at Seton Hall law school. “You shouldn’t read anything into the grand jury not hearing the case for another couple weeks,” she said.

    One element of the case that could be affected by timing is the statute of limitations. To prosecute false business records as a felony, prosecutors generally would have to bring charges within five years from the final act of falsification. But that deadline can be extended in some circumstances — including if a defendant lived out of state during the period in question, as Trump did while he occupied the White House.

    Jeremy Saland, a former Manhattan assistant district attorney, said he didn’t think prosecutors would be cutting it close enough that a grand jury break would have a material impact. “They’re not doing this at the stroke of midnight,” he said of prosecutors. “They have built in the time.”

    Aside from any legal ramifications, the delay could influence public opinion. “Trump’s actions and rhetoric over the last 10 days are his standard playbook — move first to shape the narrative and public perception,” said Anthony Coley, a former spokesman for the Justice Department. “It’s a particularly useful tactic in legal communications because prosecutors are bound by grand jury secrecy rules.”

  20. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Except the part where Viking hat guy was given VIP tour treatment by Capitol Police to his various photo ops around the Capitol....

    I don't need to post links or videos because we've all seen them by now. Or at least I hope everyone has seen them by now.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  21. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Except the part where Viking hat guy was given VIP tour treatment by Capitol Police to his various photo ops around the Capitol....
    How is that different? If Trump decided to go to some silicon-enhanced siren's house, the Secret Service wouldn't take him?
    "Trump was just a chuckle-headed sucker" is not an effective sales pitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
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    Why would DeSantis help Trump? Trump has been an ass to him for quite a while now.
    In this particular instance, why wouldn't he?

    He'd look like the bigger man, he'd put Trump in the position of looking like a boorish ingrate if Trump continued sniping at him, and he would score points among the base by acting to thwart a Dem publicity stunt.
    [...] Getting involved in Trump's criminal case hurts him in the general.
    [...] Among Democrats, maybe (and not even all of them - if we count the relatively sane ones).

    But I seriously doubt there are a significant number of other people (even including so-called "Never Trumpers" - if we count the relatively sane ones) who would be sufficiently upset by it that they'd refuse to vote for DeSantis because of it (especially given how blatantly obvious it is that this is all just a ham-fisted and politically motivated stunt by the Manhattan D.A., who is one of those aforementioned not-relatively-sane Democrats).
    [...] If DeSantis gets himself involved with Trump's criminal case it hurts him with those middle voters who do not like Trump.
    [...] Not if they dislike what that clown in Manhattan is trying to do even more than they dislike Trump. As Turley notes in the article I just posted above, they are more likely to be fed up with such transparently partisan shenanigans. (And most of them are not the sort of hard-core "Never Trumpers" you seem to think they are, anyway. Most of them are just people who prefer DeSantis to Trump.)

    IOW: They're not nearly so single-minded about anything involving Trump (just because it involves Trump) as you are (or as you seem to think they are). They are perfectly capable of supporting DeSantis while opposing what the Democrats are trying to do to Trump. There is no sensible reason for them to withdraw their support of DeSantis if he blocks or denies any kind of extradition or arrest of "Donald J. Trump" - in fact, there is good reason for them to increase their support of DeSantis if he blocks or denies any kind of extradition or arrest of "Donald J. Trump" "a former Republican president being hounded by a blatantly bogus and politically-motivated prosecution". If you actually believe otherwise, then you must have a pretty low opinion of DeSantis supporters. (Hell, I don't like either Trump or DeSantis, but DeSantis would get a big thumbs-up from me if he did such a thing.)
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    DeSantis has played this whole situation very safe, don't expect any change in that.
    I don't expect anything from any politicians (especially not the ones who "play safe").

    That way, I'm never disappointed.
    "Hell, I don't like either Trump or DeSantis, but DeSantis would get a big thumbs-up from me if he did such a thing." -- me

    My thumbs-up for DeSantis, as promised:

    https://twitter.com/GovRonDeSantis/s...75007552778243
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 03-30-2023 at 06:41 PM.

  24. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    How is that different?
    That narrative assumes that Viking hat was in jail the entire time that other J6s were/are. Dunno one way or another but Epps' story should give context to who were the protected guide dogs. If you recognize there were guide dogs involved, any one who was a guide dog's story should be questioned.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 04-04-2023 at 02:57 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Government-employed doctors should cut off every 10 year old boy's dick and sew it on to a young girl of a different race. The excess white penises should be tossed into a grinder and converted to low-cost hot dogs to be distributed for free to the homeless.
    People talk about the trans issue because it is a social contagion consuming a generation of children and it is an assault on objective truth at a level never before seen. - Matt Walsh

  28. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    House Judiciary committee expands probe into Alvin Bragg's 'abuse of prosecutorial authority' in going after Trump
    Jim Jordan sent letters to former prosecutors, demanding documents and testimony on Bragg's "unprecedented abuse of prosecutorial authority."
    https://thepostmillennial.com/house-...ng-after-trump
    Ari Hoffman (23 March 2023)

    [...]
    District Attorney Alvin Bragg Sues Jim Jordan After Lawmaker Demands Answers in Trump Indictment

  29. #115
    Alvin Bragg's attempt to block House inquiry into his political prosecution of Donald Trump denied by judge
    "The sole question before the Court at this time is whether Bragg has a legal basis to quash a congressional subpoena that was issued with a valid legislative purpose. He does not.”
    https://thepostmillennial.com/alvin-...enied-by-judge
    Ari Hoffman (20 April 2023)

    A federal judge has rejected an attempt by George Soros-backed Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg to block a Congressional subpoena of a former prosecutor who had worked on the investigation into former President Donald Trump that led to an indictment by a Manhattan Grand Jury.

    Judge Mary Kay Vyskocil ruled that she has no standing to block the subpoena from the House Judiciary Committee, writing that it has legitimate legislative purposes for the inquiry.

    The Judiciary Committee led by Rep. Jim Jordan is conducting its investigation in support of possible legislation that would "insulate current and former Presidents from such politically motivated state and local prosecutions."

    Vyskocil wrote in her decision Wednesday, "The sole question before the Court at this time is whether Bragg has a legal basis to quash a congressional subpoena that was issued with a valid legislative purpose. He does not.”
    The judge continued, "In our federalist system, elected state and federal actors sometimes engage in political dogfights."

    "Bragg complains of political interference in the local DANY (District Attorney of New York) case, but Bragg does not operate outside of the political arena."

    Vyskocil stated, "Jordan, in turn, has initiated a political response to what he and some of his constituents view as a manifest abuse of power and nakedly political prosecution, funded (in part) with federal money, that has the potential to interfere with the exercise of presidential duties and with an upcoming federal election."

    She added, "The Court does not endorse either side's agenda."

    The question remains if former Manhattan prosecutor Mark Pomerantz, who wrote a memoir about his time leading up to the Trump investigation, gave up the privileges that protect him from divulging information about the investigation.

    Bragg accused Jordan and the committee in the lawsuit of using a subpoena of Pomerantz to interfere in the investigation and prosecution of Trump.

    During a hearing on Wednesday at the US District Court for the Southern District of New York, Vyskocil asked Theodore Boutrous Jr., an attorney for Bragg, "How does this book, which is chock full of what Mr. Pomerantz calls 'insider information,' not constitute a waiver of privilege?”

    Leslie Dubeck, another attorney for Bragg, argued that the district attorney believes Pomerantz had no right to waive the privilege on his own. "That privilege belongs to my office, not to Mr. Pomerantz. I think there are things in there that should not have been published and that expose Mr. Pomerantz to potential criminal liability.”

    In January, Bragg's office referred the Pomerantz case to New York City's Department of Investigation, to look into if publishing the memoir violated the law.

    At Wednesday's hearing, Boutrous argued the subpoena raised "serious federalism issues," as well as concerns about separation of powers stating, "It is totally unprecedented for a congressional committee to go after a local district attorney."

    Vyskocil responded, "It is also unprecedented for a local district attorney to bring an indictment of a former president."

    It remains unclear if Pomerantz will comply with a subpoena demanding his appearance before the Judiciary Committee on Thursday.

    Following the judge’s ruling, a spokesperson for Bragg told CBS, "We respectfully disagree with the District Court's decision and are seeking a stay pending appeal."

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