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    DeSantis says Ukraine is not key US interest:

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    Good to hear.

    Y'all should read that article -- if only to see Pence's response -- which is, to be frank, mentally unstable and fully heretical.
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    I bet that opinion would change real quick if he ever got to be president.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    I bet that opinion would change real quick if he ever got to be president.
    The war will most likely be over before that happens and Ukraine as we know it will no longer exist. They're blowing through artillery shells faster than the west can produce them and Russia is dominating the drone war. Also Russia started using the hypersonic missile and our best tech can't shoot those down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    The war will most likely be over before that happens and Ukraine as we know it will no longer exist. They're blowing through artillery shells faster than the west can produce them and Russia is dominating the drone war. Also Russia started using the hypersonic missile and our best tech can't shoot those down.
    DS knows that too, this is risk free pandering to Trump's base that he will never have to pay off on to distance himself from the Bush wing that supports him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    I bet that opinion would change real quick if he ever got to be president.
    He wailed. The rest is performance.
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    Anti War is what I want to hear.

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    He is angering the GOP establishment:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/14/u...publicans.html
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    Bill Kristol has been anti DeSantis tweeting in his Ukraine stance for weeks

    https://mobile.twitter.com/BillKrist...65887621521411

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    DeSantis is smart and see which way the wind is blowing. People aren't going to support Biden's war forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vita3 View Post
    Bill Kristol has been anti DeSantis tweeting in his Ukraine stance for weeks

    https://mobile.twitter.com/BillKrist...65887621521411
    nobody cares what he thinks anymore.

    he can't even get invited to MSDNC... lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    nobody cares what he thinks anymore.

    he can't even get invited to MSDNC... lol.
    agree, but more importantly it shows that a major neo-con is against DeSantis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vita3 View Post
    agree, but more importantly it shows that a major neo-con is against DeSantis.
    Almost like he was assigned that role after so many of them endorsed DeSantis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vita3 View Post
    agree, but more importantly it shows that a major neo-con is against DeSantis.
    WALL STREET JOURNAL:

    Ron DeSantis made BIG MISTAKE to go against US intervention in Ukraine.

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=wsj+desant...336-7ja&ia=web
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    GOP Establishment going after DeSantis on his Ukraine position:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...antis-ukraine/
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    He wailed. The rest is performance.
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    I bet that opinion would change real quick if he ever got to be president.
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    DeSantis is smart and see which way the wind is blowing. People aren't going to support Biden's war forever.
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    Almost like he was assigned that role after so many of them endorsed DeSantis.
    It seems like only yesterday that people were accusing Trump of being a secret shill for the neocons and Democrats. Do we have a picture of Trump laughing with Bill and Hillary handy?

    My how times have changed...now Trump is legit and Desantis is the shill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    It seems like only yesterday that people were accusing Trump of being a secret shill for the neocons and Democrats. Do we have a picture of Trump laughing with Bill and Hillary handy?

    My how times have changed...now Trump is legit and Desantis is the shill.
    DeSantis is now on record for eternity against intervention. Wasn't that the biggest thing most liked about Ron Paul and also the biggest problem he had in the primaries? Things have changed a lot since then. DeSantis is also on the good side of so many other issues. Florida is doing very well compared to the rest of the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    DeSantis is now on record for eternity against intervention. Wasn't that the biggest thing most liked about Ron Paul and also the biggest problem he had in the primaries? Things have changed a lot since then. DeSantis is also on the good side of so many other issues. Florida is doing very well compared to the rest of the country.
    I wonder who helped change it?
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    This is getting silly.
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    It started silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    It seems like only yesterday that people were accusing Trump of being a secret shill for the neocons and Democrats. Do we have a picture of Trump laughing with Bill and Hillary handy?

    My how times have changed...now Trump is legit and Desantis is the shill.
    I'm not sure why my post was quoted, since Trump wailed at the old Knights Templar fort wall also. My position that they're all selected shills if they get the mass media free publicity treatment is pretty well known around here. They use the appearance of opposition to herd masses around and it seems to work pretty damn well. I guess some people still believe WWE is real, too, though....
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    I’ll feel better about DeSantis & foreign policy if Col Douglas McGregor gets on team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    DeSantis is now on record for eternity against intervention. Wasn't that the biggest thing most liked about Ron Paul and also the biggest problem he had in the primaries?
    The thing most liked about Ron Paul is that there was good reason to believe he actually meant what he said, and that he would have acted accordingly.

    The world is full to overflowing with politicians who are "on record for eternity" as being for or against this, that, or the other thing, but who do not act accordingly - at least, not when it actually matters. (For just one of the more notorious examples, does the phrase "read my lips" ring any bells?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    The thing most liked about Ron Paul is that there was good reason to believe he actually meant what he said, and that he would have acted accordingly.

    The world is full to overflowing with politicians who are "on record for eternity" as being for or against this, that, or the other thing, but who do not act accordingly - at least, not when it actually matters. (For just one of the more notorious examples, does the phrase "read my lips" ring any bells?)
    You aren't wrong, but DeSantis has done everything he has promised so far. He's really gone above and beyond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    You aren't wrong, but DeSantis has done everything he has promised so far. He's really gone above and beyond.
    Then why did Disney keep most of its special privileges in FL?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    I wonder who helped change it?
    Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    It seems like only yesterday that people were accusing Trump of being a secret shill for the neocons and Democrats. Do we have a picture of Trump laughing with Bill and Hillary handy?

    My how times have changed...now Trump is legit and Desantis is the shill.
    Did the Clintons draft Trump and endorse his run for POTUS?
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump.
    Well it wasn't Biden or Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
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