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    The bailout of First Republic Bank is an admission of which banks will be saved. While I don't particularly wish to advocate for supporting TBTF banks (or any bank for that matter), there's no denying what is being telegraphed, since the bank collapses so far are "elite" banks and the responses follow accordingly, which of course get the attention of elite accounts.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/fi...ategic-options

    Bank of America, Citigroup,. JPMorgan Chase, Wells Fargo, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, BNY-Mellon, PNC Bank, State Street, Truist and U.S. Bank to make uninsured deposits totaling $30 billion into First Republic Bank
    Consolidation of the banking sector ahead of digital currency implementation.
    Last edited by devil21; 03-17-2023 at 02:27 AM.
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  3. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    The bailout of First Republic Bank is an admission of which banks will be saved. While I don't particularly wish to advocate for supporting TBTF banks (or any bank for that matter), there's no denying what is being telegraphed, since the bank collapses so far are "elite" banks and the responses follow accordingly, which of course get the attention of elite accounts.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/fi...ategic-options



    Consolidation of the banking sector ahead of digital currency implementation.
    My mother has an account with Truist. I've been trying to get her to close her accounts and join a credit union for ages.

    When their predecessor Suntrust got a bailout in the '08 fiasco, that was when I joined a credit union. I told the associate at Suntrust (not that she had anything to do with it) that if they could get a bailout, then they obviously didn't need my deposits.
    Last edited by nobody's_hero; 03-17-2023 at 07:02 AM.
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    This is getting silly.
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    It started silly.
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  4. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    My mother has an account with Truist. I've been trying to get her to close her accounts and join a credit union for ages.

    When their predecessor Suntrust got a bailout in the '08 fiasco, that was when I joined a credit union. I told the associate at Suntrust (not that she had anything to do with it) that if they could get a bailout, then they obviously didn't need my deposits.
    If I recall correctly, TARP and Fed backdoor bailouts were pushed onto a lot of banks who claimed they didn't even need a bailout, as their exposure to the melting down assets at the time was limited. I don't know if SunTrust was one of them who didn't really need a bailout, though.

    Truist recently completed a big new HQ tower here in Charlotte (quietly a big banking city) and it sits right next to BOA's HQ (where the notorious murals hang) in the city skyline. In hindsight, the merger of SunTrust and BB&T (which took about 3 years to complete) was a sign that it would be hanging around.
    Last edited by devil21; 03-19-2023 at 02:24 AM.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    The guys that ran it knew it was coming.

    FJB

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    Damned right it did. $#@! this "you can't just make stuff and sell it" parasite class and their "economy" that "can't operate without them" because they're "too big to fail" voodoo bull$#@!. There are plenty of casinos where they can get their kicks without affecting us.

    Last edited by acptulsa; 03-18-2023 at 09:08 AM.
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  7. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    And more than a few allegedly conservative bankers too.
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    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Well, they say there is no such thing as a sure thing in investing, but this seems pretty solid.

    The Jim Cramer Inverse Tracker ETF.

    Anything Cramer says, they do the opposite.

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    That will be a hard fund to manage. Looks like the current expense ratio is 1.2%. May not be worth it to them after the novelty wears off.
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  11. #129
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Ah, someone with experience in bond funds. Why would a money market fund have some short term debt at far below market rates? In this case, a fund that only invests in Treasuries?
    Quote Originally Posted by surf View Post
    a money market fund should have a short duration (<3 mo) whereas a treasury portfolio could consist of 30 year bonds. it's been a long time and someone can refine this point, but the longer the duration of an asset, the greater the value swings. ex: a 10 year duration portfolio will see its value decline something like 10% w/a 1% rise in interest rates. when rates rise 2%, it's 20%. if the duration is 1/4 year a 100 bp rise means you'll be able to pay 100 bp higher in 3 months or so.
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Sounds about right. But my question is why would a money market fund buy a 1 month Treasury at .2%, when the going rate is 4%?
    Quote Originally Posted by surf View Post
    no one would and even if you did you could reinvest at the end of the month at the higher rate. i may not have understood the question.

    the thing i didn't mention was the duration of the liabilities which tend to be about 1 month on most deposits. if these guys had any historical perspective and any desire to minimize interest rate risk, they'd have secured long term deposits (CDs) at the lower rates and then they wouldn't have found themselves in dire straits when interest rates rose as little as they have.

    this all ignores the credit risk associated with start-ups (though you'd have thought the start of this millennium would have provided need perspective)

    edit: i came here to check out if this made the BFF (bank failure friday) list
    I have a hypothesis for my original question. A money market fund that has ultra short bonds should have everything right around the current market rate. A fund like that holding something at a rate that would have been common 1-6 years ago, sounds a bit fishy, but explainable.

    Analogous to someone paying $7k for a used car worth $6k. The seller made an extra $1k over market price. That could easily happen in a standard marketplace transaction, but how about in a highly liquid and easily tracked commodity/bond market?

    So who benefits? Is it a backroom deal with the Fed, Treasury or other banks? Maybe. But consider self-interest...

    Lets say XYZ Corp, a combination fund family, brokerage and bank, needs to raise some quick cash. They can take a 5 year bond that is underwater (at current market price), but matures in two months, and sell it today at full maturity value (par) into it’s own money market fund portfolio. It is now paying a below market rate for two months (in the money market fund), but it’s deeply buried in a huge variety of short term holdings. Thus, the dividend/interest payments are slightly lower, and the cost has been passed on to customers that hold the money market fund.

    Many financial players are trying to raise cash right now...
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  12. #130
    There has never in history been as much cash out there as now
    Do something Danke

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