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    SVB: One of Silicon Valley’s top banks fails; assets are seized

    Credit Suisse still sucks, but here in the USA, Silvergate and Silicon Valley Bank are both going tits up and contagion fears are spreading a little bit in the banking sector.

    Shares of SVB Financial Group, known as Silicon Valley Bank, tumbled for a second day Friday and weighed on the entire banking sector again on concern that more banks would incur heavy losses on their bond portfolios.

    SVB's CEO Greg Becker held a call with clients Thursday afternoon to calm their fears, CNBC learned, after a 60% tumble in the stock that day. The shares were down another 62% in premarket trading Friday before they were halted for pending news. They did not open for trading with the market at 9:30 a.m.
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    The SPDR S&P Regional Banking ETF was off another 5% Friday following an 8% tumble on Thursday. The Financial Select SPDR Fund was down by 1.6% following a 4% decline on Thursday. Signature Bank, which is known to cater to the crypto sector, was off 18% in following a 12% tumble Thursday. First Republic Bank was off 31% following a 17% tumble on Thursday. PacWest Bancorp was down 23%. Many of these regional bank shares were halted for volatility repeatedly.

    Major banks were holding up better than regional banks with JPMorgan Chase up 1.4% Friday after tumbling 5% on Thursday.
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    https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/10/sili...tor-again.html



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bern View Post
    Credit Suisse still sucks, but here in the USA, Silvergate and Silicon Valley Bank are both going tits up and contagion fears are spreading a little bit in the banking sector.



    https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/10/sili...tor-again.html


    My theory (more of a guess) is that the Fed made the banks load up on reserves to avoid a repeat of 2008. That would explain why they made it this long with higher rates. But now I'm wondering if the banks are finally starting to run low on reserves.

    Along those same lines the Fed itself it losing huge amounts of money in the last few months. They lost over 100 billion in february and the chart is going straight down! Those losses have to be paid by the us treasury.

    I'm sensing QE5 coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    My theory (more of a guess) ...
    Silvergate and SVB are kaputski because of contagion from crypto industry implosions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bern View Post
    Silvergate and SVB are kaputski because of contagion from crypto industry implosions.
    That makes sense but is that the only reason? I can't believe higher rates aren't causing losses.

    Edit: I've watched several videos and articles and none of them mention crypto as a cause of SVB losing money. They're all mentioning higher rates causing banks' assets to crash as the major cause.
    Last edited by Madison320; 03-10-2023 at 01:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
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    Edit: I've watched several videos and articles and none of them mention crypto as a cause of SVB losing money. They're all mentioning higher rates causing banks' assets to crash as the major cause.
    You are correct. SVB is *indirect* collateral damage from Silvergate. Mea culpa.

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    If you’re just catching up, here’s what happened: Silicon Valley Bank lost $1.8 billion in the sale of U.S. treasuries and mortgage-backed securities that it had invested in, owing to rising interest rates. The bank is also contending with shrinking customer deposits, given that its customer base of largely startups has far less money right now to park at a financial institution.

    Because it’s in this spot, it decided to raise a bunch of money to safeguard its business. The plan was to sell $1.25 billion of its common stock to investors, $500 million in convertible preferred shares, and $500 million of its common stock in a separate transaction to the private equity firm General Atlantic. The apparent goal was to project that the bank was being conservative and raising this money to stabilize itself.

    Oh, though, how it backfired, and who can be surprised, given it issued its announcement about these plans just as the crypto bank Silvergate was announcing that it was winding down operations.

    You might imagine that someone at Silicon Valley Bank would have paused to think: “Hmm, maybe today is not the right time to declare that we’re shoring up our balance sheet.” Evidently, they did not. Instead at the end of the market close yesterday, they put out a convoluted press release that was received so badly that it was almost comical. Except that Silicon Valley Bank is a trusted financial partner to many startups and venture firms that are now nervously scrambling to figure out what to do.
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    https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/09/si...-self-in-foot/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Just reading the comments on Twitter, the number of people who think depositors should be wiped out makes me think the average person should be turned into Soylent Green. Making depositors whole isn't a bailout for rich people. Every company over a mom and pop business has more than 250k in the bank. If you let depositors lose above deposit insurance you will have runs on every bank. Apple has to put billions somewhere. There is no economy without a functional banking system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bern View Post
    Silvergate and SVB are kaputski because of contagion from crypto industry implosions.
    What isn't widely known is how deeply tied "crypto" has become to the rest of markets. See my last couple posts in tthe Gamestop thread. The spillover since 2017 has been immense.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

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    This SVB thing is a big deal...



    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ce-losses.html

    A large percentage of SVB accounts are uninsured (above the $250K FDIC insurance limit):
    ...
    SVB Financial Group's Silicon Valley Bank had a relatively high amount of uninsured deposits as it courted tech workers and venture capital firms. The FDIC said on Friday the amount of uninsured deposits at the bank was “undetermined,” likely complicated by the rush of bank customers to remove uninsured funds. But data submitted to the FDIC by the bank at the end of 2022 showed that 89% of its $175 billion in deposits were uninsured.
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    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...it/ar-AA18tO2M

    SVB might just be the tip of the iceberg as the Fed's rising rates will pressure the balance sheets of small and regional banks:
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    While SVB may be the poster child for the difficult banking environment, it is far from alone. The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) estimates U.S. banks have more than $600 billion in unrealized losses generated by rising interest rates.

    "Typically, this is not seen as an issue as banks can wait until maturity and thus not realize a loss," CFRA analyst Alexander Yokum said Thursday.

    "However, if deposit outflows accelerate, banks could be forced to liquidate securities at a substantial loss, as displayed today by SIVB."
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    https://markets.businessinsider.com/...032160351?op=1

    Treasury Dept is concerned:
    U.S. Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen said Friday she’s tracking a number of banks as Silicon Valley Bank has faced major problems.
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    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ye...banks-979ec0fb

    This could force the Fed to pause and/or pivot their rate policy. They walk a fine line now choosing whether to either fight inflation (raise rates) or save bank balance sheets (hold or lower rates).

    There are also some contagion fears around the USDC stablecoin which held assets at SVB:
    Circle’s USDC, the second-largest stablecoin, with $43 billion market capitalization, held an undisclosed part of its $9.8 billion cash reserves at failed Silicon Valley Bank.
    https://www.coindesk.com/markets/202...n-valley-bank/

    If USDC lost significant money at SVB, they might be forced to sell a large tranche of Treasuries...

    Aside from Circle/USDC, there are a lot of (non-financial sector) companies that are facing similar financial issues if they had all their eggs in the SVB basket (far exceeding the FDIC insurance limit).

    The sudden collapse of Silicon Valley Bank has thousands of tech startups wondering what happens now to their millions of dollars in deposits, money market investments and outstanding loans.

    Most importantly, they're trying to figure how to pay their employees.

    "The number one question is, 'How do you make payroll in the next couple days,'" said Ryan Gilbert, founder of venture firm Launchpad Capital. "No one has the answer."
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    However, unlike a typical brick-and-mortar bank — Chase, Bank of America or Wells Fargo — SVB is designed to serve businesses, with over half its loans to venture funds and private equity firms and 9% to early and growth-stage companies. Clients that turn to SVB for loans also tend to store their deposits with the bank.

    The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, which became the receiver of SVB, insures $250,000 of deposits per client. Because SVB serves mostly businesses, those limits don't mean much. As of December, roughly 95% of SVB's deposits were uninsured, according to filings with the SEC.

    But the process is much more convoluted for uninsured depositors. They'll receive a dividend within a week covering an undetermined amount of their money and a "receivership certificate for the remaining amount of their uninsured funds."

    "As the FDIC sells the assets of Silicon Valley Bank, future dividend payments may be made to uninsured depositors," the regulator said. Typically, the FDIC would put the assets and liabilities in the hands of another bank, but in this case it created a separate institution, the Deposit Insurance National Bank of Santa Clara (DINB), to take care of insured deposits.

    Clients with uninsured funds — anything over $250,000 — don't know what to do. Gilbert said he's advising portfolio companies individually, instead of sending out a mass email, because every situation is different. He said the universal concern is meeting payroll for March 15.

    Gilbert is also a limited partner in over 50 venture funds. On Thursday, he received several messages from firms regarding capital calls, or the money that investors in the funds send in as transactions take place.
    ...
    One founder, who asked to remain anonymous, told CNBC that everyone is scrambling. He said he's spoken with more than 30 other founders, and talked to a finance chief from a billion-dollar startup who has tried to move more than $45 million out of SVB to no avail. Another company with 250 employees told him that SVB has "all our cash."
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    https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/10/sili...pay-bills.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    That makes sense but is that the only reason? I can't believe higher rates aren't causing losses.

    Edit: I've watched several videos and articles and none of them mention crypto as a cause of SVB losing money. They're all mentioning higher rates causing banks' assets to crash as the major cause.
    M2 had the biggest collapse in history last year. The fact that Powell and all these (mostly left wing) economists are still babbling about inflation is why there was inflation in the first place. M2 is saying the job is done. It has been done for months. When the three month Treasury yield is above the 2 year, you are making a policy mistake.

    The old Mises analogy is they ran someone over by creating the inflation and now they think the solution is to back up and run over the person again by creating deflation.

    The insane part of all of this is nothing is going to be more inflationary than by creating a crisis that requires bailouts from off the charts tight money. Schiff is probably right in his analysis that the Fed has the same issue as Silicon Valley bank in the sense that it is sitting on 8 trillion of low interest debt while rates have risen. It is sitting on nearly infinite mark to market losses that if they tried to unload this debt as part of monetary policy it would seem like it would cause problems.

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    https://twitter.com/ThatDuaneLester/...83240562348045

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/sta...87942104788993



    It's Cramer's job to keep saying, stay in there and finish taking your bath.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 03-11-2023 at 02:20 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    I just want to gouge my eyes out everytime I read what people have to say about this.

    Businesses hold millions or billions over the 250k FDIC insured limit. They need a place to store money risk free to operate and pay workers. Apple is not Pablo Escobar where they bury cash in barrels.

    Banks made a ton of loans and bought Treasuries mostly at interest rates lower than the current rates. Since we have a fractional reserve system, if depositors want cash now those banks would have to sell at depressed prices and if enough depositors want out the banking system would be insolvent.

    It won't be an issue if the banks hold their debt to maturity. The Federal Reserve can nip this in the bud by making a strong guarantees to depositors to prevent runs. It has to be done this weekend. This is a five alarm fire.

    The Federal Reserve exists as the lender of last resort. It is fine to believe the Fed shouldn't exist but they do. I don't think the three point line should exist but it does and if I were a GM building a basketball team I would build it around three point shooters. Not guaranteeing depositors money would be like eliminating the three point line in the NBA finals.

    Yellen and the Fed can take small hit or they can wait until there is full fledged crisis. This is a no-brainer.
    Last edited by Krugminator2; 03-11-2023 at 12:10 PM.

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    Anyone else see another new bailout on the horizon??
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Anyone else see another new bailout on the horizon??
    I don't. Bail-ins were created for a reason. Plus, the bankers need a systemic collapse of the "old way" in order to usher in the "new way".

    I sure wish I had bought puts on SVB on Tuesday. Not many "get rich overnight" opportunities but that sure was one. Some people made absolutely massive returns on those options if they sold at the right time.
    Last edited by devil21; 03-11-2023 at 01:31 PM.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    But the opposite seems very possible.



    The diversity hires are babbling about rich people, corporations and tax cuts. WTF. One step away from President Camacho.

    Last edited by Krugminator2; 03-11-2023 at 06:08 PM.

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    Sun night and Mon should be interesting. Gold of course at current 1870 with last yrs high of 2070 and this yrs high of 1970. Let me ask this , how long do people think it will be before they get access to FDIC insured monies once institutions go belly up ?
    Last edited by oyarde; 03-11-2023 at 08:36 PM.
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    One of Silicon Valley’s top banks fails; assets are seized

    One of Silicon Valley’s top banks fails; assets are seized

    By KEN SWEET today

    NEW YORK (AP) — Regulators rushed Friday to seize the assets of one of Silicon Valley’s top banks, marking the largest failure of a U.S. financial institution since the height of the financial crisis almost 15 years ago.

    Silicon Valley Bank, the nation’s 16th-largest bank, failed after depositors hurried to withdraw money this week amid anxiety over the bank’s health. It was the second biggest bank failure in U.S. history after the collapse of Washington Mutual in 2008.

    The bank served mostly technology workers and venture capital-backed companies, including some of the industry’s best-known brands.

    “This is an extinction-level event for startups,” said Garry Tan, CEO of Y Combinator, a startup incubator that launched Airbnb, DoorDash and Dropbox and has referred hundreds of entrepreneurs to the bank.

    “I literally have been hearing from hundreds of our founders asking for help on how they can get through this. They are asking, ‘Do I have to furlough my workers?’”

    There appeared to be little chance of the chaos spreading in the broader banking sector, as it did in the months leading up to the Great Recession. The biggest banks — those most likely to cause an economic meltdown — have healthy balance sheets and plenty of capital.

    Nearly half of the U.S. technology and health care companies that went public last year after getting early funding from venture capital firms were Silicon Valley Bank customers, according to the bank’s website.

    The bank also boasted of its connections to leading tech companies such as Shopify, ZipRecruiter and one of the top venture capital firms, Andreesson Horowitz.

    Tan estimated that nearly one-third of Y Combinator’s startups will not be able to make payroll at some point in the next month if they cannot access their money.

    Internet TV provider Roku was among casualties of the bank collapse. It said in a regulatory filing Friday that about 26% of its cash — $487 million — was deposited at Silicon Valley Bank.

    Roku said its deposits with SVB were largely uninsured and it didn’t know “to what extent” it would be able to recover them.

    As part of the seizure, California bank regulators and the FDIC transferred the bank’s assets to a newly created institution — the Deposit Insurance Bank of Santa Clara. The new bank will start paying out insured deposits on Monday. Then the FDIC and California regulators plan to sell off the rest of the assets to make other depositors whole.

    There was unease in the banking sector all week, with shares tumbling by double digits. Then news of Silicon Valley Bank’s distress pushed shares of almost all financial institutions even lower Friday.

    The failure arrived with incredible speed. Some industry analysts suggested Friday that the bank was still a good company and a wise investment. Meanwhile, Silicon Valley Bank executives were trying to raise capital and find additional investors. However, trading in the bank’s shares was halted before stock market’s opening bell due to extreme volatility.

    Shortly before noon, the FDIC moved to shutter the bank. Notably, the agency did not wait until the close of business, which is the typical approach. The FDIC could not immediately find a buyer for the bank’s assets, signaling how fast depositors cashed out.

    The White House said Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen was “watching closely.” The administration sought to reassure the public that the banking system is much healthier than during the Great Recession.

    “Our banking system is in a fundamentally different place than it was, you know, a decade ago,” said Cecilia Rouse, chair of the White House Council of Economic Advisers. “The reforms that were put in place back then really provide the kind of resilience that we’d like to see.”

    In 2007, the biggest financial crisis since the Great Depression rippled across the globe after mortgage-backed securities tied to ill-advised housing loans collapsed in value. The panic on Wall Street led to the demise of Lehman Brothers, a firm founded in 1847. Because major banks had extensive exposure to one another, the crisis led to a cascading breakdown in the global financial system, putting millions out of work.

    At the time of its failure, Silicon Valley Bank, which is based in Santa Clara, California, had $209 billion in total assets, the FDIC said. It was unclear how many of its deposits were above the $250,000 insurance limit, but previous regulatory reports showed that lots of accounts exceeded that amount.

    The bank announced plans Thursday to raise up to $1.75 billion in order to strengthen its capital position. That sent investors scurrying and shares plunged 60%. They tumbled lower still Friday before the opening of the Nasdaq, where the bank’s shares were traded.

    As its name implied, Silicon Valley Bank was a major financial conduit between the technology sector, startups and tech workers. It was seen as good business sense to develop a relationship with the bank if a startup founder wanted to find new investors or go public.

    Conceived in 1983 by co-founders Bill Biggerstaff and Robert Medearis during a poker game, the bank leveraged its Silicon Valley roots to become a financial cornerstone in the tech industry.

    Bill Tyler, director of operations for TWG Supply in Grapevine, Texas, said he first realized something was wrong when his employees texted him at 6:30 a.m. Friday to complain that they did not receive their paychecks.

    TWG, which has just 18 employees, had already sent the money for the checks to a payroll services provider that used Silicon Valley Bank. Tyler was scrambling to figure out how to pay his workers.

    “We’re waiting on roughly $27,000,” he said. “It’s already not a timely payment. It’s already an uncomfortable position. I don’t want to ask any employees, to say, ‘Hey, can you wait until mid-next week to get paid?’”

    Silicon Valley Bank’s ties to the tech sector added to its troubles. Technology stocks have been hit hard in the past 18 months after a growth surge during the pandemic, and layoffs have spread throughout the industry. Venture capital funding has also been declining.

    At the same time, the bank was hit hard by the Federal Reserve’s fight against inflation and an aggressive series of interest rate hikes to cool the economy.

    As the Fed raises its benchmark interest rate, the value of generally stable bonds starts to fall. That is not typically a problem, but when depositors grow anxious and begin withdrawing their money, banks sometimes have to sell those bonds before they mature to cover the exodus.

    That is exactly what happened to Silicon Valley Bank, which had to sell $21 billion in highly liquid assets to cover the sudden withdrawals. It took a $1.8 billion loss on that sale.

    Ashley Tyrner, CEO of FarmboxRx, said she had spoken to several friends whose businesses are backed by venture capital. She described them as being “beside themselves” over the bank’s failure. Tyrner’s chief operating officer tried to withdraw her company’s funds on Thursday but failed to do so in time.

    “One friend said they couldn’t make payroll today and cried when they had to inform 200 employees because of this issue,” Tyrner said.

    https://apnews.com/article/svb-fed-b...6cd120aa9b7966
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    What a $#@!ing dummy of a President. The world probably won't end and everything will be fine in a few days but this is the most shortsighted thing I have ever seen. This is playing Russian Roulette for a $100. It will probably work out, unless it doesn't. Then there is mass chaos for nothing. Just stick it to those richers with their fancy checking accounts.



    I like how the media is portraying people with checking accounts at the 16th largest bank that was completely solvent as risky gambling elites.

    Also.

    Last edited by Krugminator2; 03-12-2023 at 12:20 PM.



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    Yellen says today no bailout .
    Do something Danke

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    Bank runs start at 9am , gold is the future
    Do something Danke

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    Better not see the government swoop in and save them with a bailout.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Better not see the government swoop in and save them with a bailout.
    Yellen said no today .
    Do something Danke

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    Tucker Carlson: This is the largest bank failure since 2008

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Just reading the comments on Twitter, the number of people who think depositors should be wiped out makes me think the average person should be turned into Soylent Green. Making depositors whole isn't a bailout for rich people. Every company over a mom and pop business has more than 250k in the bank. If you let depositors lose above deposit insurance you will have runs on every bank. Apple has to put billions somewhere. There is no economy without a functional banking system.
    So, privatize the gains, socialize the losses?

    Now, I am not familiar with how money is managed at the largest corporations in America. My assumption is that they have professional and competent money management. As a matter of fact, anyone with more than $250k sitting in cash at a single bank should have competent money management if they can’t do it themselves.

    Frankly, putting all your eggs in one basket (more than $250k in cash at a single bank), is money management malpractice. Is bailing out incompetent people now the norm?
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
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    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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