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  1. #31
    At 14:20 - watch the weaselly hypocrite dare to say "Sunlight is the best disinfectant".

    $#@! you Chuck...$#@! you with an iron pipe.

    Liar!

    The ATF came on the property and opened fire first. They killed the livestock in pens in the front of the property.

    The Davidians fired in self defense and were acquitted of all murder charges because of it.

    $#@! you Chuck.

    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 03-08-2023 at 05:02 PM.
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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    Does anyone believe that guy except the idiots in his own state?
    I hope not, but I'm probably wrong.

    $#@! that guy.

    I have viscerally loathed that $#@! for thirty years now, since the Waco hearings.
    "Unity, for the sake of unity alone, is a fool's objective.

    Who and what are you "uniting" with?

    I would much rather be divided by the truth than united by lies." - Seth Dillon and Anti Federalist



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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    At 14:20 - watch the weaselly hypocrite dare to say "Sunlight is the best disinfectant".

    $#@! you Chuck...$#@! you with an iron pipe.

    Liar!

    The ATF came on the property and opened fire first. They killed the livestock in pens in the front of the property.

    The Davidians fired in self defense and were acquitted of all murder charges because of it.

    $#@! you Chuck.


    Among about a billion other lies, those "four young law enforcement officers" were most likely killed by friendly fire. All available evidence pointed in that direction.

    Even just mentioning any reasonable part of the rest of the lies surrounding Waco would take WAY longer than I have time for now. The feds murdered those peole, along with about 2 dozen children, flat out, and then immediately proceeded to destroy any evidence they could that would establish that fact (bulldozing the debris back into the fire while it was still burning, and while keeping fire and rescue personnel back away from the site while they did it).

    I agree.

    $#@! you Chuck.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Even just mentioning any reasonable part of the rest of the lies surrounding Waco would take WAY longer than I have time for now. The feds murdered those people, along with about 2 dozen children, flat out, and then immediately proceeded to destroy any evidence they could that would establish that fact (bulldozing the debris back into the fire while it was still burning, and while keeping fire and rescue personnel back away from the site while they did it).
    Incinerated them.

    They lied about liquid CS being flammable.

    They lied about never using any sort of incendiary devices or "flash bangs" on the day of the immolation.

    They lied about the bona fides of the Davidians and their backgrounds and education. (Wayne Martin, Koresh's "right hand man" was Harvard School of Divinity's first black graduate. In fact, roughly half of the Davidians were colored people)

    And then they lied about the FLIR footage that clearly showed automatic weapons fire coming FROM the feds INTO victims fleeing the conflagration.

    Murder, immolation and sudden death...all rained down on fellow citizens because ATF needed a "high profile" bust to keep their funding.

    And not a single government $#@!, now 30 years gone by, has ever been held accountable.

    That's when the scales fell off my eyes, and even though I may play the system's game from time to time, does not mean I believe a single word that comes out of their lying $#@!ing faces.

    I know who the real enemy is.

    "Unity, for the sake of unity alone, is a fool's objective.

    Who and what are you "uniting" with?

    I would much rather be divided by the truth than united by lies." - Seth Dillon and Anti Federalist

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Incinerated them.

    They lied about liquid CS being flammable.

    They lied about never using any sort of incendiary devices or "flash bangs" on the day of the immolation.

    They lied about the bona fides of the Davidians and their backgrounds and education. (Wayne Martin, Koresh's "right hand man" was Harvard School of Divinity's first black graduate. In fact, roughly half of the Davidians were colored people)

    And then they lied about the FLIR footage that clearly showed automatic weapons fire coming FROM the feds INTO victims fleeing the conflagration.

    Murder, immolation and sudden death...all rained down on fellow citizens because ATF needed a "high profile" bust to keep their funding.

    And not a single government $#@!, now 30 years gone by, has ever been held accountable.

    That's when the scales fell off my eyes, and even though I may play the system's game from time to time, does not mean I believe a single word that comes out of their lying $#@!ing faces.

    I know who the real enemy is.


    Now you've gone and done it! I'll add a few for posterity and to further demonstrate the utter, despicable evil and complete corruption we're dealing with.

    They lied about the necessity for the raid. They could have pick Koresk up peacefully in any number of ways but chose not to.

    They lied on the warrant, alleging the operation of a meth lab in the "compound" (read that "the Davidians' home and church), in order to secure National Guard involvement.

    They lied about the helicopters not being armed. They most certainly were, and they fired indiscriminately from them down into the buildings killing several.

    They lied about the Davidians possessing NFA weapons. Not a single NFA firearm or explosive device was ever found.

    Basically, the $#@! lied about EVERYTHING. And continue to do so to this day.

    The scales actually fell from my eyes long before Waco, but I did nurture a few hopeful, lingering doubts. Waco graphically demonstrated to me the desired end that the EVIL, PSYCHOPATHIC bastards in power were aiming at was, in fact, what I knew it to be but hoped against. It also demonstrated that Americans, INCLUDING gun owners and members of the so-called "liberty movement," to their eternal shame, will likely just roll over and take almost any depravity those evil bastards choose to dish out. I wish they were proving me wrong. I'd DEARLY LOVE to to be wrong on this. But so far ...
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    They lied about the necessity for the raid. They could have pick Koresk up peacefully in any number of ways but chose not to.
    IIRC, county sheriffs, Waco PD, and/or Texas state troopers had on more than one occasion served warrants at the Davidians' "compound".

    They never had any significant problems doing so. They just walked up to the doors and knocked. The Davidians answered and complied. I assume they did so begrudgingly (I certainly would have), but there was never any violence, or even any intimations of violence.

    At least, not until the feds decided to go "zero-dark-thirty" mode - which was pretty much exactly the stupidest possible way to deal with an apocalyptic cult that was already paranoid about the "end times' and wanted nothing more than just to be left the hell alone. I'd be inclined to say it was an exhibition of staggering incompetence if it wasn't for the possibility (likelihood ?) that the inevitable result was also the intended one.

    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    They lied about the helicopters not being armed. They most certainly were, and they fired indiscriminately from them down into the buildings killing several.
    ... "This is not an assault! This is not an assault!" ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    And not a single government $#@!, now 30 years gone by, has ever been held accountable.

    That's when the scales fell off my eyes [...]
    Same here. Waco is what "radicalized" me - not so much the massacre itself (though that was certainly bad enough), but more so the complete absence of any accountability whatsoever in the aftermath of the massacre. I had been willing to chalk the incident at Ruby Ridge [1] up to a "glitch" along the lines of "no system is perfect, human existence is tragic, the rain falls on the just and the unjust, and sometimes, $#@! happens and things just fall between the cracks".

    But the deliberately orchestrated self-absolution of the feds from any responsibility at all for their deliberately murderous actions (AG Janet Reno's utterly and ludicrously inconsequential mea culpa to the contrary notwithstanding) was the final insult. Over the course of events following the Waco holocaust, it became abundantly clear that this was not the result of some kind of "glitch" in the system - it was the system, naked and exposed. What happened at Waco (and what followed - or, rather, what didn't follow) laid bare the real point and purpose of the system. Upon the revelation that "muh roads" and such were just fig leaves being coyly used to conceal that shame, I went from being a "moderate" libertarian to being a "radical extremist" libertarian.

    All my sincere thanks go to the ATF, FBI, Janet Reno, Chuck Shumer, et al. for lifting the scales of naivete from my eyes. It might not have happened without them.



    [1] Ironically, the Waco fiasco was initially motivated as an attempt to "rehabilitate" the feds' image after the eye-blacking they had given themselves at Ruby Ridge. That's why they had a press pool ready and waiting to go just a few miles away right before the raid, so their glorious return to form could be well-documented for public consumption. Then, when their zero-dark-thirty hut-hutting blew up in their faces, they could only try to save what face they had left by doubling down on their brutal viciousness, out of fear of otherwise appearing to be weak and/or incompetent. IOW: The slaughtered victims of Waco were martyrs to an ill-conceived and badly botched publicity stunt - a goddam $#@!ing publicity stunt - and every $#@! who was responsible got off scot-free. (At least for Ruby Ridge, Louis Freeh, who would go on to become director of the FBI, got a letter of reprimand placed in his personnel file. It went right alongside the letter of reprimand he got for losing one of the agency's wireless phones.)
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  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Over the course of events following the Waco holocaust, it became abundantly clear that this was not the result of some kind of "glitch" in the system - it was the system, naked and exposed. What happened at Waco (and what followed - or, rather, what didn't follow) laid bare the real point and purpose of the system.

    IOW: The slaughtered victims of Waco were martyrs to an ill-conceived and badly botched publicity stunt - a goddam $#@!ing publicity stunt - and every $#@! who was responsible got off scot-free. (At least for Ruby Ridge, Louis Freeh, who would go on to become director of the FBI, got a letter of reprimand placed in his personnel file. It went right alongside the letter of reprimand he got for losing one of the agency's wireless phones.)
    Plus $#@!ing rep.

    30 years gone by now and just thinking of this...this butchery, makes my blood boil.
    "Unity, for the sake of unity alone, is a fool's objective.

    Who and what are you "uniting" with?

    I would much rather be divided by the truth than united by lies." - Seth Dillon and Anti Federalist

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    The scales actually fell from my eyes long before Waco, but I did nurture a few hopeful, lingering doubts. Waco graphically demonstrated to me the desired end that the EVIL, PSYCHOPATHIC bastards in power were aiming at was, in fact, what I knew it to be but hoped against. It also demonstrated that Americans, INCLUDING gun owners and members of the so-called "liberty movement," to their eternal shame, will likely just roll over and take almost any depravity those evil bastards choose to dish out. I wish they were proving me wrong. I'd DEARLY LOVE to to be wrong on this. But so far ...
    When the day comes, I suspect >95% will meekly comply and "turn them in".
    "Unity, for the sake of unity alone, is a fool's objective.

    Who and what are you "uniting" with?

    I would much rather be divided by the truth than united by lies." - Seth Dillon and Anti Federalist

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    When the day comes, I suspect >95% will meekly comply and "turn them in".

    I try to be more positive but lately I’m going through some $#@! that has made me a bit more pessimistic than usual.

    On the just slightly brighter side, and correct me if my memory is faulty her, but I seem to remember that at both Waco and Ruby Ridge folks from all around the country actually DID gather with the intention of interceding.

    As I recall they were convinced to “stand down” at Ruby Ridge by Bo Gritz, who offered to help negotiate and personally guaranteed Randy Weaver’s safety.

    I don’t recall what happened at Waco to produce a similar result.

    Or is my memory finally going to $#@!?
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    When the day comes, I suspect >95% will meekly comply and "turn them in".
    They say five percent of the colonial population kicked the Brits out.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    They say five percent of the colonial population kicked the Brits out.

    I like the way your mind works!
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Plus $#@!ing rep.

    30 years gone by now and just thinking of this...this butchery, makes my blood boil.
    Victory is inevitable. God's justice is unavoidable. I pray that those responsible repent -- if they do not, the punishment that awaits them is beyond measure, beyond words, beyond contemplation, even...

    This post was written without ChatGPT...

  16. #43
    Tucker Gets The Footage, The Media Lose Their Minds I Part Of The Problem 970
    On this episode of Part Of The Problem, Dave and Robbie take a look at the media reaction to Tucker Carlson getting the footage from January 6th. This Episode Was Recorded On 3.3.23
    https://rumble.com/v2brhzp-tucker-ge...part-of-t.html

  17. #44
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  18. #45
    Keeping at it...

    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  19. #46
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  20. #47
    Reacting to the New Footage of the QAnon Shaman
    Taken from JRE #1952 w/Michael Malice: https://open.spotify.com/episode/0pw...8b6c64658&nd=1
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VgtF9mp79o

  21. #48
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire



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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    "Just-Us"

    Been that way for decades! This lawyer is trying to make it sound like this is an anomaly..

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

  25. #51
    There Was No Insurrection I Part Of The Problem 972
    On this episode of Part Of The Problem, Dave and Robbie take a look at some of the new footage of Jan 6th that was released by Tucker Carlson and the media reaction to the details coming out! This Episode Was Recorded On 3.8.23
    https://rumble.com/v2cfi6j-there-was...oblem-972.html

  26. #52
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1633932907961020417

    "Unity, for the sake of unity alone, is a fool's objective.

    Who and what are you "uniting" with?

    I would much rather be divided by the truth than united by lies." - Seth Dillon and Anti Federalist

  27. #53
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  28. #54
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  29. #55
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  30. #56
    It just keeps getting better... could Jan 6 end up blowing up in Dems' faces?

    This post was written without ChatGPT...



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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    It just keeps getting better... could Jan 6 end up blowing up in Dems' faces?


    NO. Because their bought and paid for media organs are NEVER going to speak about this, and probably 85% people still get their "newz" from those media outlets.

    https://rumble.com/v2cel4c-system-update-show-52.html

    They're LIARS. THEY HATE YOU, and THEY WANT YOU DEAD. Do not misunderstand this. This is the truth. THESE PEOPLE WANT YOU DEAD.

  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    It just keeps getting better... could Jan 6 end up blowing up in Dems' faces?
    Yeah - not likely. And don't confuse "dems" with the uniparty. Yes, they are the face of the party, but there are plenty of uniparty apparatchiks on the other side of the aisle too.

    They lie about Jan. 6th.
    They lie about the elections.
    They lie about covid.
    They lie about the vaccines.
    They lie about climate change.
    They lie about racial issues.
    They lie about sexual preference/gender issues.
    They lie about their corruption.
    They lie about censorship.
    They lie about our monetary system.
    They lie about war.

    We catch them in all of these lies and yet they still lie. They don't get punished. The rewards go to whoever lies the best. They've set up the system this way. If that system ever crashes, it won't be just one party that's affected - it's the whole system.

    And for some reason, every time we catch them in a lie, some people think this time it'll be different.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Yeah - not likely. And don't confuse "dems" with the uniparty. Yes, they are the face of the party, but there are plenty of uniparty apparatchiks on the other side of the aisle too.

    They lie about Jan. 6th.
    They lie about the elections.
    They lie about covid.
    They lie about the vaccines.
    They lie about climate change.
    They lie about racial issues.
    They lie about sexual preference/gender issues.
    They lie about their corruption.
    They lie about censorship.
    They lie about our monetary system.
    They lie about war.

    We catch them in all of these lies and yet they still lie. They don't get punished. The rewards go to whoever lies the best. They've set up the system this way. If that system ever crashes, it won't be just one party that's affected - it's the whole system.

    And for some reason, every time we catch them in a lie, some people think this time it'll be different.
    Sure, I get it. They've succeeded many times. And maybe this time it won't be different. But it might be. That's an R-swamp talking-point, but the solution to that is for us to take it away from them. Everyone has counted Trump as a total KO, but he's right every time when it comes to the Swamp's machinations. He said that Jan 6 was not an insurrection, it was an attempted coup (or an extension of the November 2020 coup) and he has now been proven completely correct about that. He was proven right about Mar-A-Lago. He was proven right about Russiagate. And these are not technical wins, where it's 50/50 partisan opinion, these are resounding wins. The only option the Ds now have is to shut up about Jan 6th. That means they have been completely trounced. The Elephant In the Room, yet to be proved, is the November 2020 Election Heist. How many more times does Trump have to be proven right before the broader electorate will start taking him seriously? They might never. But they might...
    This post was written without ChatGPT...

  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Yeah - not likely. And don't confuse "dems" with the uniparty. Yes, they are the face of the party, but there are plenty of uniparty apparatchiks on the other side of the aisle too.
    I'm content to let the dems go all-in on adopting marxist authoritarianism while conservatives continue to push the rockefeller low-carb liberals back to the left from whence they came. Let the dividing lines be drawn clearly. To fully succeed in that, we're going to need someone with the aggression of Trump and the principles of Ron Paul. Such a person has yet to surface.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
    T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men

    "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato

    We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me

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