Vivek Ramaswamy’s 2024 Campaign Launch

[PAF]

Okay. So you're arguing that Vivak's parents had dual citizenship after being naturalized? Source? Because what you quoted does not say that a son of immigrants who became naturalized citizens is not a natural born citizen. Read what you quoted yourself again.

What I am saying is:

His mother is a geriatric psychiatrist, and his Father is a doctor. They immigrated to the U.S. in the 1970s; their native countries are Tamil Nadu and India.

https://tvshowstars.com/meet-vivek-g...maswamy-vivek/

And:

In other words, a natural born citizen means at least a second generation citizen of the country. Vattel's own note on the margin of his book refers to the Roman law: NEMO PLUS JURIS TRANSFERRE POTEST, QUAM IPSE HABET, meaning "No one can give more rights than he himself has" (by Dr. A. Altec).

All from other lands, who, by the terms of the laws and a compliance with the provisions becomes naturalized, are adopted citizens of the United States; all other persons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural-born citizens."

Thanks for the INDENT tip ;-)

[jmdrake]

What I am saying is:

His mother is a geriatric psychiatrist, and his Father is a doctor. They immigrated to the U.S. in the 1970s; their native countries are Tamil Nadu and India.

https://tvshowstars.com/meet-vivek-g...maswamy-vivek/

And:

In other words, a natural born citizen means at least a second generation citizen of the country. Vattel's own note on the margin of his book refers to the Roman law: NEMO PLUS JURIS TRANSFERRE POTEST, QUAM IPSE HABET, meaning "No one can give more rights than he himself has" (by Dr. A. Altec).

All from other lands, who, by the terms of the laws and a compliance with the provisions becomes naturalized, are adopted citizens of the United States; all other persons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural-born citizens."

Thanks for the INDENT tip ;-)

Using your logic, nobody is ever a natural born citizens. "No one can give more rights than he himself has." So. Your immigrant great grandfather could not bestow the right to be president on his son, who could not bestow it on his son and so on. Also you keep using a term you have not actually defined. "Owing allegiance to another country." Someone who has renounced his previous citizenship owes no allegiance to that country. He can't be taxed by that country. He can't be drafted into that country's army. Putting the same undefined or misdefined terms in bold doesn't change anything. And you're welcome regarding the indent tip.

[PAF]

Using your logic, nobody is ever a natural born citizens. "No one can give more rights than he himself has." So. Your immigrant great grandfather could not bestow the right to be president on his son, who could not bestow it on his son and so on. Also you keep using a term you have not actually defined. "Owing allegiance to another country." Someone who has renounced his previous citizenship owes no allegiance to that country. He can't be taxed by that country. He can't be drafted into that country's army. Putting the same undefined or misdefined terms in bold doesn't change anything. And you're welcome regarding the indent tip.

Person's parents are born and citizens of another country, even if they eventually become citizens here. Person is born in the U.S. Therefore, Person is first gen citizen, thus Non-NBC.

Person's parents are born in the U.S. Person is born in the U.S. Therefore, Person is second gen citizen, thus NBC.

That's the way that I read and understand it.


I question whether naturalized is enough to meet the requirement, but at least his parents are called into question:

March 08, 2023

While Ramaswamy and Haley were indisputably born in the United States, there is a lack of evidence that either set of parents naturalized as U.S. citizens prior to the candidate’s birth on U.S. soil. Both candidates’ parents happen to hail from India.

After Barack Obama declared his presidential candidacy in February 2007, controversy arose given that his claimed father, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., was for his entire life a foreign citizen, first of Great Britain via his birth in the then-British colony of Kenya in 1934, and later, of Kenya after it achieved independence in late 1963. Although varying narratives of the younger Obama’s life story abound, it has been consistently reported, and Obama II has never denied, that his father never became a U.S. citizen, having been forced to leave the country after Harvard refused to allow him to finish his studies, according to government documents.

https://www.thepostemail.com/2023/03...t-be-answered/

[jmdrake]

Person's parents are born and citizens of another country, even if they eventually become citizens here.

Unless they renounce their citizenship to their previous country. You keep leaving that part out. We don't know if his parents are dual citizens or not.

Person is born in the U.S. Therefore, Person is first gen citizen, thus Non-NBC.

Person's parents are born in the U.S. Person is born in the U.S. Therefore, Person is second gen citizen, thus NBC.

That's the way that I read and understand it.


I question whether naturalized is enough to meet the requirement, but at least his parents are called into question:

Fair enough. So by the definition of the 18th century source you cited he might not be a natural born citizen. Then again he might.

[PAF]

Unless they renounce their citizenship to their previous country. You keep leaving that part out. We don't know if his parents are dual citizens or not.



Fair enough. So by the definition of the 18th century source you cited he might not be a natural born citizen. Then again he might.

[Snowball]

no matter how hard he tries, nobody will remember his name.

[Occam's Banana]

Ramaswamy's tweet ends: "They said it violated their policies relating to 'misinformation, hate speech, and violence.' Sad but not surprising."

https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1661879006470238209

[Occam's Banana]

The Anti-woke Candidate
Presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy says America’s in a “national identity crisis.”
Four symptoms: “woke-ism”… "transgender-ism”… "climate-ism”…“Covid-ism.”
Here is our full interview:
https://rumble.com/v2njne6-the-anti-woke-candidate.html

From the description of the YouTube release of the same interview:

Vivek Ramaswamy: The Full Interview on Wokeness, Free Speech, destructive ESG & the Climate Cult.

Vivek Ramaswamy is a successful entrepreneur who created a biotech company. Now he’s running for president.

“As a businessperson, you're saving lives…why politics?” I ask.

"I think there is an opportunity to drive a national revival in our country,” he tells me. "I couldn't think of a better way to do it than to...get elected U.S. president.”

Ramaswamy is obviously a long shot, but his arguments--that America has become a nation of victims, and that some on Wall St now collude with government to cripple capitalism--made me want to learn more about him.

Here is our full interview.

[PAF]

Vivek Ramaswamy was born to immigrant parents from India August 9, 1985 in Cincinnati, Ohio. Religion: Hindu


Vivek Ramaswamy - Co-founder of Campus Venture Network (2007-2009); partner at hedgefund QVT Financial (2007-2014). Founder and CEO of Roivant Sciences Pharmaceutical Corporation (2014-2021); co-founder and executive chairman of Strive Asset Management (2022-present).


Vivek Ramaswamy: “I feel like I recoil when I see someone describe me as a conservative,” he told an interviewer. “Not that there’s anything wrong with being a conservative. It’s just not how I would describe myself.”


Vivek Ramaswamy: “I am taking the Trump America first agenda to the next level to actually get the job done,” he recently told a reporter https://indianexpress.com/article/wo...level-8475100/


PharmaVoice profiled Ramaswamy, noting that his calls for the United States to get tough on “Chinese business appear to be newly held, as two of Roivant’s subsidiaries during his time leading the company … notably focused on the innovations of medicine in China and for patients across Asia.

In its profile of Ramaswamy, Business Insider highlighted the fact that he “moonlighted as a rapper” while he was an undergraduate at Harvard.


Vivek Ramaswamy joined QVT Financial, where he slowly made a name for himself with a simple “buy low, sell high strategy.” In one notable example of this approach, he bought shares of the New Jersey-based Pharmasset in 2008 at $5 apiece, and then was a top shareholder by the time Gilead bought the company for $137 a share four years later.

Then, in 2014, he left QVT to found Roivant with a goal to “reduce the average time and cost of the drug development process”.

In a model Ramaswamy dubbed the “Berkshire Hathaway of drug development,” Roivant was designed to spin out smaller, highly focused subsidiary companies.

When one of the company’s first “vants” — Axovant — launched with what was at the time the biggest IPO in U.S. Biotech history (it’s now been surpassed by Moderna), Ramaswamy canceled his honeymoon to ring the bell at the New York Stock Exchange. During his tenure as CEO, a role he stepped down from in 2021, Ramaswamy oversaw the FDA approval of five medications.


Although as a Biotech CEO Ramaswamy signed a 2017 letter supporting the “principles and best practices to increase gender diversity” in the life sciences industry, just five years later Ramaswamy became a mouthpiece against similar goals.


To fight the fentanyl crisis, Ramaswamy said he would consider a “military assault” of Mexican drug cartels using airstrikes, drone attacks and special forces operations.

Despite his background in Pharma and recent debates over how the federal government should handle drug pricing, Ramaswamy has yet to release a policy platform on the issue, or other issues directly impacting the drug industry.


https://www.pharmavoice.com/news/viv...oivant/643559/

https://www.cfr.org/blog/meet-vivek-...tial-candidate

[Occam's Banana]

https://twitter.com/zhenryaz/status/1674179947592572928

[PAF]

https://twitter.com/zhenryaz/status/1674179947592572928

If "they hate him so much", how come they don't knock the first place down toward the bottom like they consistently did with Ron Paul?

Nobody has to answer that. I was just pointing something out that I remember like it was yesterday.

[Brian4Liberty]

https://twitter.com/VivekGRamaswamy/...49334870831104

[PAF]

https://twitter.com/VivekGRamaswamy/...49334870831104

Mixed responses in that thread.

How about, government has no business either way, or at all, and should cut all funding and let the individual colleges decide who it wants to admit. Then the free market takes over, people either pay out of pocket for education, or are awarded scholarship money from local communities and/or company sponsorship.

[Occam's Banana]

Vivek Ramaswamy | Part Of The Problem 1009
Vivek Ramaswamy joins Dave Smith on this all new episode of Part Of The Problem. Dave and Vivek discuss his upcoming run in the Republican primaries, his ideals, and plans for the future of this country.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAF1G2GP3AY

[Brian4Liberty]

https://twitter.com/VivekGRamaswamy/...63278775291915

[PAF]

I still don’t trust him. Based on his biotech background which is still a bad taste in my mouth, he flip flopped his views only recently, trying to find his own center and what appeals to libertarians.

He actually should write a book. Based on the Dave Smith interview he sounds like a good philosopher, but he would get his ass handed to him if ever held office. Plus the fact that Ron didn’t seem too keen on him either and gave Swamy some things to really think about.

To fight the fentanyl crisis, Ramaswamy said he would consider a “military assault” of Mexican drug cartels using airstrikes, drone attacks and special forces operations.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-On-The-Record

That alone is alarming. Another impulsive war hawk? Wet behind the ears, trying to garner votes?

Thanks but a great big no thanks. Ron is Right. We need a candidate to reach across the isle. Somebody the Democrats will actually pay attention to. RFK seems to be doing that, at least to some degree.

[Anti-Neocon]

There's no good candidates who have a chance. VR doesn't even have a chance and he's also got some very troubling views like what @PAF just described above.

Trying to search for a Ron Paul type among these people is a lost cause, you'd just be using your imagination. On some level I'd probably say VR is preferable to the others but he's no hero.

At least the LP offers something, well, a little libertarian. At this point might as well just vote for Trump in the primary to kick the can down the road and hope for someone better next time as he will be term-limited and very old. I'd rather not see incumbent RDS or whoever else. DeSantis just reeks of trojan horse through and through. Although I can't blame people for supporting Vivek over the rest that's out there.

[Brian4Liberty]

https://twitter.com/VivekGRamaswamy/...40474803126277

[Brian4Liberty]

https://twitter.com/VivekGRamaswamy/...55072738451461

[Brian4Liberty]

https://twitter.com/VivekGRamaswamy/...35646851477505

JoeBiden needs to man up to his bully-friend Zelensky & clearly state that we are dead-set opposed to Ukrainian admission to NATO. This should be a hard red line. It’s shameful that even Republicans like LindseyGrahamSC are now pushing for it. Stop marching us to the brink of nuclear war. For all the hand-wringing about the 1994 Budapest Memorandum (on which the U.S. has more than fulfilled its commitments), the neocon-Democrat establishment is shockingly silent on James Baker’s famous 1990 “Not-One-Inch” commitment to Gorbachev that NATO would never extend east of Germany. NATO was created to deter conflict with the USSR, yet NATO has expanded most rapidly *after* the fall of the USSR & is now *worsening* the risk of nuclear war with Russia itself. This is sheer lunacy. As President I’ll refuse to be bullied by an anti-democratic comedian-turned-leader & it’s truly mystifying to me that the rest of the West is eating out of this Pied Piper’s hand every day.

[PAF]

Forbes article:

On the first day of trading the stock almost doubled, giving Axovant a market capitalization of nearly $3 billion. Considering that Ramaswamy had persuaded Glaxo to part with the unproven remedy for a mere $5 million up front, the newlyweds were ecstatic, as was a veritable wedding party of hedge fund pals who had followed Ramaswamy into the stock.

But this creeping fear ignores the full scope of what Ramaswamy is up to: rescuing the pharmaceutical industry’s forgotten drugs. Whether or not the Axovant drug works, the IPO, according to Ramaswamy, is just “a first step on a broader mission” to liberate abandoned or deprioritized drugs that routinely languish in the pipelines of pharma companies, never reaching patients or enriching investors.

Leaning on his Wall Street background and armed with a $400 million war chest, Ramaswamy is building a portfolio not of stocks but of has-been drugs that he grabs for “pennies on the dollar,” free-riding on the billions in research that pharma sometimes sinks into failed trials. Using a pharmaceutical holding company he formed last year, Roivant Sciences, Ramaswamy hopes to spin out dozens of companies, much as he did with Axovant. “This will be the highest return on investment endeavor ever taken up in the pharmaceutical industry,” he boasts. “It will be a pipeline every bit as deep and diverse as the most promising pharma company in the world but with a capital efficiency that is unprecedented.”

A whirlwind of such deals has made Ramaswamy, a member of the FORBES 30 Under 30 list, biopharma’s youngest chief executive. He may soon be its youngest billionaire. FORBES estimates that Roivant is worth $3.5 billion, making its Millennial founder’s 20% or so stake worth some $700 million. Ramaswamy, who just turned 30, has bigger aspirations. Roivant, he says, will become the “Berkshire Hathaway of drug development.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanv...h=a6ae9d54f392

I take it that profit over natural immunity, and safe and effective was never part of Swamy’s portfolio. I know it is not the Politically Correct thing to ask, but what would have been his opinion on Trump’s “Operation Warp Speed”, considering the fact that Ramaswamy oversaw the FDA approval of five medications?

[Swordsmyth]

Vivek Ramaswamy’s Soros connection - American Thinker

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...onnection.html

[Brian4Liberty]

It's always interesting to see where the hit pieces are coming from. And as pointed out below, they refer back to left leaning sources. Red State itself is a teocon/neocon source.

And no worries, Swordsmyth is on the case from the Trump camp, and already posted the hit piece from American Thinker.



Yep. And the American Thinker article has some interesting comments, mostly focusing on the author and not the content:



Vivek certainly has some interesting enemies...

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https://www.pharmavoice.com/news/viv...oivant/643559/
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And that is an interesting source too. A pharma industry publication and lobby outlet, which from what I can see, stays focused on pharma issues, deviated from it's normal content and published a political hit piece. Why would a Pharma Industry outlet go out of it's way to attack a single political candidate?

And why don't they attack RFK Jr?

[PAF]

And that is an interesting source too. A pharma industry publication and lobby outlet, which from what I can see, stays focused on pharma issues, deviated from it's normal content and published a political hit piece. Why would a Pharma Industry outlet go out of it's way to attack a single political candidate?

And why don't they attack RFK Jr?

Attack? Or simply disappear:

Jordan Peterson hosts RFK Jr. 1.5 hr

already over 100k views just a few hours old

[PAF]

Vivek Ramaswamy cosigned a 2017 “Open Letter to the BioPharma Community” that includes an explicit commitment “to drive diversity as a top priority.”

https://www.massbio.org/news/recent-...rma-community/

[Swordsmyth]

[LatinsforPaul]

Vivek agrees with 90% of the libertarian philosophy...



As for Soros and the WEF, let him explain...

https://twitter.com/VivekGRamaswamy/...UBz2rdXLQ&s=19

[Brian4Liberty]

Vivek Ramaswamy’s Soros connection - American Thinker

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...onnection.html

Disingenuous article. They go out of their way to imply that this was a George Soros scholarship (which it is not), by just using the last name. And does taking a scholarship from a foundation equate to some kind of inside connection and ongoing relationship?

In reality, it's a Paul and Daisy Soros Scholarship.

[Swordsmyth]

Vivek Ramaswamy:“I have personally not seen evidence of widespread voter fraud of the kind that you usually get with the stolen election narrative”

Starts at 4:30

https://rumble.com/v2bkemu-vivek-ram...lishing-t.html

[Swordsmyth]

GOP presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy told Elon Musk Friday that he favors more immigration into skilled U.S. jobs

https://www.breitbart.com/2024-elect...ore-migration/