Vivek Ramaswamy’s 2024 Campaign Launch

[BSWPaulsen]

Really? I think you're starting to believe the MSM lies about him. This should help...
https://www.vivek2024.com/truth-over-myth/

That was a remarkably incoherent explanation on his website. You are on a website with people used to politicians attempting to use sleight of hand in their rhetoric to excuse past mistakes. Honestly, I am surprised you were taken in by it.

[LatinsforPaul]

That was a remarkably incoherent explanation on his website. You are on a website with people used to politicians attempting to use sleight of hand in their rhetoric to excuse past mistakes. Honestly, I am surprised you were taken in by it.

Very coherent to me...

Vivek is Part of Big Pharma and Made $$ on a Failed Alzheimer’s Drug:

WRONG on both. Calling Vivek part of big pharma is about as insane as calling Rumble part of Big Tech. It’s also funny because most big pharma executives really don’t like Vivek, because he called pharma’s corrupt bluff of soft coordination on which drugs they’d develop versus not to actually rescue medicines that big pharma had abandoned – and he built a multibillion dollar company of his own in the process. That’s how he ended up developing a staggering *five* new FDA-approved products, including lifesaving and life-changing therapies. That’s one of the best track records for a new biotech company in modern history, and it’s why most pharma executives aren’t particularly fond of him.

(Side note: Vivek invested early in Rumble when it was still a private company, to challenge Big Tech’s orthodoxies – in the same way Vivek’s first company Roivant challenged Big Pharma’s orthodoxies).

One of the drugs that Vivek developed was a drug for Alzheimer’s disease, through one of Roivant’s subsidiaries called Axovant. Like 99.7% of all drugs tested for Alzheimer’s disease, it failed. Unlike most of Roivant’s subsidiaries which went on to become immensely successful – and Roivant (the parent company) which is a nearly $10BN public company today – Axovant ended up failing after the Alzheimer’s drug was terminated. But the idea that Vivek made any money on that failure is a total lie. To the contrary: Vivek could have sold shares in Axovant before its failure. But he didn’t. And neither did Roivant. That was an unusual decision, and some would even call it honorable.

(The in-the-weeds critics will say: “But he sold some shares in Roivant, didn’t he?” Answer: yes, he and other shareholders were forced to sell a tiny portion of their shares in 2015 to facilitate an outside investor entering Roivant in 2015. And the shares that Roivant Vivek sold back then are worth a LOT more today than they were back then).

Bottom line: one of the therapies Vivek helped develop is a life-saving therapy in kids – as a father of two young sons, that is the accomplishment in his life that he is most proud of. He has also overseen the development of other medicines, including for psoriasis, prostate cancer, endometriosis, and uterine fibroids.

[PAF]

Very coherent to me...

Vivek is Part of Big Pharma and Made $$ on a Failed Alzheimer’s Drug:

WRONG on both. Calling Vivek part of big pharma is about as insane as calling Rumble part of Big Tech. It’s also funny because most big pharma executives really don’t like Vivek, because he called pharma’s corrupt bluff of soft coordination on which drugs they’d develop versus not to actually rescue medicines that big pharma had abandoned – and he built a multibillion dollar company of his own in the process. That’s how he ended up developing a staggering *five* new FDA-approved products, including lifesaving and life-changing therapies. That’s one of the best track records for a new biotech company in modern history, and it’s why most pharma executives aren’t particularly fond of him.

(Side note: Vivek invested early in Rumble when it was still a private company, to challenge Big Tech’s orthodoxies – in the same way Vivek’s first company Roivant challenged Big Pharma’s orthodoxies).

One of the drugs that Vivek developed was a drug for Alzheimer’s disease, through one of Roivant’s subsidiaries called Axovant. Like 99.7% of all drugs tested for Alzheimer’s disease, it failed. Unlike most of Roivant’s subsidiaries which went on to become immensely successful – and Roivant (the parent company) which is a nearly $10BN public company today – Axovant ended up failing after the Alzheimer’s drug was terminated. But the idea that Vivek made any money on that failure is a total lie. To the contrary: Vivek could have sold shares in Axovant before its failure. But he didn’t. And neither did Roivant. That was an unusual decision, and some would even call it honorable.

(The in-the-weeds critics will say: “But he sold some shares in Roivant, didn’t he?” Answer: yes, he and other shareholders were forced to sell a tiny portion of their shares in 2015 to facilitate an outside investor entering Roivant in 2015. And the shares that Roivant Vivek sold back then are worth a LOT more today than they were back then).

Bottom line: one of the therapies Vivek helped develop is a life-saving therapy in kids – as a father of two young sons, that is the accomplishment in his life that he is most proud of. He has also overseen the development of other medicines, including for psoriasis, prostate cancer, endometriosis, and uterine fibroids.

Good post, and good information, according to what is available. That still does not negate his flip-flops, and neocon positions on other issues.

[Theocrat]

Really...

Watch the video in the article: https://www.meidastouch.com/news/viv...ederal-reserve

Thanks for sharing that. I stand corrected.

[BSWPaulsen]

Very coherent to me...

Very sad. Any astute reader is going to notice that the defense you copy/pasted from his website (and which I already read and referenced in my previous post) does extraordinarily little to defend the ethically dubious decision to acquire an already failed drug from GlaxoSmithKline and have his mother assist in reinterpreting the results to attract investors toward an already failed drug that he simply renamed.

Is he highly intelligent? Yes. Does he engage in behavior that is ethically dubious? Yes.

The analogy where he attempts to conflate his behavior with Rumble is the sort of sleight of hand that only fools those that want to be fooled. You have already went all in on him, so you are willing to be fooled. At least have some intellectual decency and admit you support him despite his ethically dubious nature.

[BSWPaulsen]

+Rep

Good post, and good information, according to what is available. That still does not negate his flip-flops, and neocon positions on other issues.

He already linked that information previously. It is directly from the candidate's website.

[Anti-Neocon]

Very sad. Any astute reader is going to notice that the defense you copy/pasted from his website (and which I already read and referenced in my previous post) does extraordinarily little to defend the ethically dubious decision to acquire an already failed drug from GlaxoSmithKline and have his mother assist in reinterpreting the results to attract investors toward an already failed drug that he simply renamed.

Is he highly intelligent? Yes. Does he engage in behavior that is ethically dubious? Yes.

The analogy where he attempts to conflate his behavior with Rumble is the sort of sleight of hand that only fools those that want to be fooled. You have already went all in on him, so you are willing to be fooled. At least have some intellectual decency and admit you support him despite his ethically dubious nature.

I'll add - never go all in on people.

Go all in on principles, and see people as generally flawed vehicles to implement those principles.

The amount of hero worship that goes on in the supposedly libertarian forums is really kind of sickening.

The reason Ron Paul was good was because he was consistently and honestly in alignment with principles. Some rare people like Amash come along too, who are somehow able to get into government. There's especially no reason to go all in on people whose primary principle is self-promotion.

[Swordsmyth]

Vivek Ramaswamy said he doesn’t think there should be mental competency tests for lawmakers despite the recent slew of health issues with members of Congress.

The 2024 hopeful told DailyMail.com Monday that he thinks it’s up to the voters to decide who governs them.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-freezing.html


As if voters are picking these senile morons and it isn't fraud.
Even if the majority is voting for them they have no right to impose senile idiots on the minority, we have a right sane leadership.

[acptulsa]

As if voters are picking these senile morons and it isn't fraud.
Even if the majority is voting for them they have no right to impose senile idiots on the minority, we have a right sane leadership.

And..?

So, instead of clearing out the corruption and fraud, you want to give some internal congressional committee, or some external agency they appoint and fund, the power to declare any member senile and forbid them from running?

Convenient for you, given that you hate Thomas Massie. No doubt he'd be the first to go.

If mistrust of government can be a mental illness, it can be a symptom of senility too.

Every time I turn around, it's, "They're abusing their power. Let's fix that by giving them more power to abuse."

[Swordsmyth]

And..?

So, instead of clearing out the corruption and fraud, you want to give some internal congressional committee, or some external agency they appoint and fund, the power to declare any member senile and forbid them from running?

Convenient for you, given that you hate Thomas Massie. No doubt he'd be the first to go.

If mistrust of government can be a mental illness, it can be a symptom of senility too.

Every time I turn around, it's, "They're abusing their power. Let's fix that by giving them more power to abuse."

If they are that far gone they will do it anyway.
Like they are trying to disqualify Trump right now.

You would complain about giving them impeachment power for high crimes and misdemeanors, or the 25thA if they did not already have those.

[acptulsa]

If they are that far gone they will do it anyway.

So, give them that dangerous power before they take it anyway?

And, that's not called legitimizing misbehavior and abuse because...?

[Anti-Neocon]

So, give them that dangerous power before they take it anyway?

And, that's not called legitimizing misbehavior and abuse because...?

It's amazing even having to read that kind of stuff in "Ron Paul Forums".

[Swordsmyth]

So, give them that dangerous power before they take it anyway?

And, that's not called legitimizing misbehavior and abuse because...?

It's not a particularly dangerous power.
It is a vital protection of rights.
Put as many checks on it as you like, the 25thA has yet to be successfully abused in spite of the desire to use it against Trump.

We have a right not to be ruled by puppetmasters using senile fools.

[acptulsa]

It's not a particularly dangerous power.
It is a vital protection of rights.

Whose rights?

It gives Congress the power to overthrow any local federal election. All they have to do is apply completely subjective criteria, and boom. Whoever is too honest can be tossed out.

You act like Congress won't abuse this. Congress, which keeps reelecting McConnell to leadership, and kept doing the same to Pelosi until she quit.

Not your rights. Not my rights.

You're going to give Congress--Congress--the power to either protect us or protect their ability to do this, and expect what result? Again?

[Swordsmyth]

Whose rights?

It gives Congress the power to overthrow any local federal election. All they have to do is apply completely subjective criteria, and boom. Whoever is too honest can be tossed out.

You act like Congress won't abuse this. Congress, which keeps reelecting McConnell to leadership, and kept doing the same to Pelosi until she quit.

Not your rights. Not my rights.

You're going to give Congress--Congress--the power to either protect us or protect their ability to do this, and expect what result? Again?

The right of the people to functional representatives.

And both houses can already refuse to seat any member they want to refuse, it's happened in history, if they want to do it for no reason they can and will.
The point is to make senile simpletons and brain damage victims be subject to challenge on grounds of incompetence as a matter of routine, you can also give them the right to challenge any determination like the 25thA does for the President.

Your defense of Biden, McConnell, Fetterman, Feinstein, and Pelosi among many others is laughable.

[acptulsa]

The right of the people to functional representatives.

And both houses can already refuse to seat any member they want to refuse, it's happened in history, if they want to do it for no reason they can and will.
The point is to make senile simpletons and brain damage victims be subject to challenge on grounds of incompetence as a matter of routine, you can also give them the right to challenge any determination like the 25thA does for the President.

Your defense of Biden, McConnell, Fetterman, Feinstein, and Pelosi among many others is laughable.

1. Restate silly theory.

2. Say that the dangerous thing it allows Congress to do they can do anyway, without even addressing if it might take a mere majority to do what only a supermajority or unanimous resolution can do now.

3. Accuse people of supporting people that the retarded dunce of the third grade class can easily see just got roasted.

4. ???

5. Convince people you're right.

I don't think you're going to find a Step Four that can make that work. But the least you can do is realize the obvious fact that steps one through three are a waste of effort without something else there.

Or can you...?

[Swordsmyth]

1. Restate silly theory.

2. Say that the dangerous thing it allows Congress to do they can do anyway, without even addressing if it might take a mere majority to do what only a supermajority or unanimous resolution can do now to do what they already can do.

3. Accuse people of supporting people that the retarded dunce of the third grade class can easily see just got roasted.

4. ???

5. Convince people you're right.

I don't think you're going to find a Step Four that can make that work. But the least you can do is realize the obvious fact that steps one through three are a waste of effort without something else there.

Or can you...?

LOL

1 calling it silly doesn't make it so.
2 we are not talking about a specific proposal that might not have enough safeguards, Vivek doesn't want it in any form because he wants to protect the system that is using the senile old idiots.
It doesn't take a supermajority or a unanimous resolution, it only takes a simple majority.
3 Vivek and anyone who opposes a 25thA type procedure for Congress is supporting those idiots and the system that uses them
4 Nice to know that you admit to being confused
5 yes, everyone who doesn't belong in the same nursing home as Brandon is on the right side of this

[Occam's Banana]

I have no idea if Ramaswamy is a "natural born citizen" (whatever that is - apparently, it all depends on whichever legal interpretations one already prefers to agree with) - and I don't really give a pair of fetid dingo's kidneys whether he is or not.

Javier Milei is certainly not a "natural born citizen" (or any other kind of citizen) of the U.S. - but if he ran for POTUS, I'd support him over Ramaswamy and all the rest (and I don't know if the guy has ever been outside of Argentina, or if he even speaks English).

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1700283311724061085

[Swordsmyth]

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1700283311724061085

Children of illegals are not covered by the 14thA.
Their parents have not subjected themselves to our jurisdiction.

[Occam's Banana]

Children of illegals are not covered by the 14thA.
Their parents have not subjected themselves to our jurisdiction.

*shrug* I don't support any "public" immigration policies, whatever they (or their justifications) might be. [1]

On that count, I'm just here to watch (and heckle) the show.



[1] Just like I don't support "public" schools - and for much the same reasons.

[acptulsa]

3 Vivek and anyone who opposes a 25thA type procedure for Congress is supporting those idiots and the system that uses them

You really, really don't care if something works or not, as long as it sends a message, don't you?

We're introducing the Senile Codger Removal Act. It doesn't remove any senile members of Congress, it just raises SwordSmyth's tax rate to 100%. But we're sure he will give it his full support, because he really likes the name.

[Swordsmyth]

You really, really don't care if something works or not, as long as it sends a message, don't you?

We're introducing the Senile Codger Removal Act. It doesn't remove any senile members of Congress, it just raises SwordSmyth's tax rate to 100%. But we're sure he will give it his full support, because he really likes the name.

Just because something doesn't get 100% results doesn't mean it doesn't work.
You can burn all the strawmen you want and it won't win the argument.

[Swordsmyth]

*shrug* I don't support any "public" immigration policies, whatever they (or their justifications) might be. [1]

On that count, I'm just here to watch (and heckle) the show.



[1] Just like I don't support "public" schools - and for much the same reasons.

Right.
Foreign conquest to impose tyranny is nothing you should be concerned with, right?

[Occam's Banana]

Right.
Foreign conquest to impose tyranny is nothing you should be concerned with, right?

I didn't say I wasn't concerned with that. [1]

But the "public" immigration policies issued from out of Mordor-on-the-Potomac are not going to save us from it (any more than their "public" education policies are going to save us from illiteracy and ignorance - just the opposite, in fact).

When it comes to "public" immigration, "open" borders policies get you imported "welfare state" tyranny, while "closed" borders policies (if they actually have any teeth, instead of merely being "for show") get you domestic "papers, please!" tyranny. So pick your poison, if you like - but liberty dies either way.



[1] If I wasn't concerned with it, I wouldn't post the things I do to this thread ...

... or this one ...

... or this one ...

... or this one ...

... or this one ...

... or this one ...

etc.

[acptulsa]

Just because something doesn't get 100% results doesn't mean it doesn't work.
You can burn all the strawmen you want and it won't win the argument.

It's a liberal trick to say, well, I suppose it could be misused, but don't be silly, it won't be. Liberal and childishly naive. For someone who considers Democrats demonic, you sure use their tricks of manipulation all the blessed, everloving time.

And you yourself admitted in the first half of this very post that the second is baldfaced mendacity. Straw men have nothing to do with the topic. If what I said had nothing to do with the topic, why were you on about 100% effectiveness?

What is it that makes you so determined to be so wrong?

[Occam's Banana]

Vivek Ramaswamy | Part Of The Problem 1036
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8bCPa7F_Yo
{Dave Smith | 12 September 2023}

On this episode of Part Of The Problem Dave is joined Vivek Ramaswamy! Vivek and Dave discuss the upcoming 2024 election, Libertarian philosophy, and some of the controversies surrounding Vivek's past that are floating around the internet. Check it out!

[Swordsmyth]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1699740886391730266

[acptulsa]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1699740886391730266

Nothing about Trump ever gave the slightest indication that he's trustworthy, but that doesn't seem to bother you. Why does this?

The only differences I see between them is, this one isn't a fat old fart, and looks like he's here on an H1b visa. I wonder which of those things is what bothers you about him?

[Cap]

A cuck's work is never done.

[Brian4Liberty]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1699740886391730266

Pretty ironic having a video which shows pictures of George Soros while talking about Paul Soros, and using that to talk about not being "trustworthy".