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    She fled the war in Ukraine but failed to find a safe haven in S.F. middle school

    Oh you poor, hapless, clueless bastards.

    Yeah, right, COVID is responsible.

    Mrs. AF works with the mother of a Ukrainian refugee family, who have two daughters in public screwl in a tiny little town in NH.

    They are sweet kids, I met them both at a company Christmas party and, while certainly not an endorsement of government schools, they both seem happy there and well adjusted, considering all the upheaval they have had to endure.

    I wonder why that is?





    She fled the war in Ukraine but failed to find a safe haven in S.F. middle school

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ol/ar-AA17FWVZ

    Story by Jill Tucker • Yesterday 7:00 AM

    Everything Yana, a 13-year-old Ukrainian refugee, knew about public schools in the United States was what she had seen on television or in the movies, often idyllic settings where teenage conflict and angst ironed itself out by the end.

    She never imagined herself in those American classrooms.

    Then the bombs started falling after the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and Yana and her mom fled for their lives in March, leaving friends, family and the memories of a typical teenage life filled with choir practice, art classes and homework.

    Carrying the trauma of war and few personal belongings, the pair eventually landed in San Francisco where she started the new semester in January despite speaking little English.

    There she joined hundreds of city students reeling from their own tragedies – loss of loved ones in the pandemic, poverty and homelessness. Like Yana, other students had fled their home countries to escape violence and death.

    It didn’t take Yana long to realize that real life in her eighth grade classes at Marina Middle School was nothing like the scenes that played out on her screen.

    “I thought it was going to be better because it’s San Francisco,” she said in Ukrainian, with her aunt translating. “But after two days, I saw everything going on at the school.”

    Students interrupted classes, jumped on desks, cursed at teachers. At first, Yana wondered what was going on, but then, “nothing happened.” Students were not disciplined or prevented from repeat behavior.

    “After one week, I understood that was normal,” said Yana, whose last name The Chronicle agreed not to publish in accordance with its source policy.

    Not long after, Yana said, she became the target.

    Her experience echoes what many parents and teachers have said is an escalating problem in the city’s middle schools, with bullying, violence and defiant students creating an untenable learning environment. While the situation has worried many students, staff and parents, for a girl already fleeing violence and chaos, it’s been particularly difficult.

    Across the country, teachers say student violence overall has more than doubled since the pandemic and that they are “increasingly the target of disruptive behavior in the classroom,” according to a survey released Thursday by education research firm EAB.

    The survey also found 84% of teachers believe current students lack the ability to self-regulate and build relationships compared to peers prior to the pandemic.

    Nearly 75% of school leaders say staffing shortfalls are the biggest hurdle in addressing student behavior, according to the survey.

    Middle school has long been considered one of the more trying times for students, when childhood and adolescence blur, leaving many tweens frustrated, angry and hormonally emotional, their identity still unfolding even as the pressure to conform grows.

    But in recent months, middle school behavioral issues are noticeably more pronounced after the pandemic as students struggle to adjust to the academic and social expectations, district officials said.

    “They were in fourth grade when everything shut down,” said Han Phung, San Francisco Unified assistant superintendent of middle schools. “Then they jumped into middle school.”

    The students are still reeling, she said.

    “Remember folks were in their houses and not having to deal with other kids and emotions,” she said.

    At the same time, schools are struggling to address the needs of students amid a teacher, substitute and counselor shortage – a combination that often leaves administrators and support staff filling in for math class rather than working to stem behavioral issues.

    Concerned parents, describing the situation as chaos, with so-called bad kids running amok, have demanded more discipline. But punishment, like suspending students, doesn’t address the source of the behavior, officials said.

    The goal is to teach students self-control, better decision making, relationship skills – or what educators call social-emotional skills – while guiding those who misbehave to acknowledge and take responsibility for their actions.

    Prevention rather than punishment is ideal, but given the pandemic-fueled backlog of need, there aren’t enough resources to address the problems let alone try to prevent them, officials said.

    “Anytime there is a huge interruption to the routine of life, whether it is you have to leave a country, whether it is life as you know it has stopped, that is a huge shift to how we behave as people,” she said. “Trauma is at the center. … We need to get ahead of it, but right now we’re only able to react to it.”

    District officials are rolling out increased services in middle schools to address the issues, with a social worker, nurse, community health outreach worker and more assigned to each site. So far, only five of the district’s nine middle schools have the full contingent.

    The rest, including Marina Middle School, won’t see those resources until next year.

    For Yana, the situation only got worse as the weeks went on, her fears escalating. She had escaped war, but not bullying and bad behavior by classmates.

    Yana’s mother and aunt, Mariia Moroz, said the teen would come home from school and describe the chaotic scenes in her classrooms.

    “She would tell us and we were terrified,” Moroz said of the verbal abuse, hallway conflicts and classroom outbursts, adding they told Yana to avoid eye contact and try to avoid the students acting out.

    Within a month at Marina, Yana said, someone stole her cell phone in the cafeteria and then a group of students who she believed was responsible, threatened her. Yana knew enough English to understand the gist.

    “They started yelling and cursing and moving toward her,” her aunt said of the early February encounter. “A counselor came and intervened.”

    The next day, Yana stopped going to school. School officials offered her a security action plan to make sure she felt safe. They also investigated the report of theft, officials said, although there was no evidence to identify who took the phone.

    It’s typically up to the family to file any police report for stolen property, district officials said. At school sites, if the student behind the theft is identified based on solid evidence, school officials would follow protocols to address it – which could include suspension, reimbursement for the property as well as a restorative process, which allows the perpetrator to make amends, Phung said.

    Yana’s aunt and mother have requested a transfer to another school, where the teen could start over without fear for her safety or an escort through the hallways, but so far, the district has denied that request and urged Yana to return with the support services offered.

    So far, she hasn’t been back.

    “I was scared, but now I’m thinking about (the students) with more anger that they are there and she's sitting here at home,” her aunt said.

    Yana just wants to go back to her hometown in central Ukraine, back to the only school she knew before the war, even as her mom and aunt have started to research camps and other programs in San Francisco to occupy the summer months.

    “I didn't plan to leave my friends and my family,” she said. “When you leave you don't know when you'll get to go back.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 02-20-2023 at 01:43 AM.
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    Wait til these disruptive kids are old enough to vote.

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

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    100,000 Ukrainians welcomed into this country.

    10,000 Haitians shunned and deported.

    Both populations are the victims of U.S. foreign policy.

    Both populations have children that could use love and support.

    Enough said.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
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    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    100,000 Ukrainians welcomed into this country.

    10,000 Haitians shunned and deported.

    Both populations are the victims of U.S. foreign policy.

    Both populations have children that could use love and support.

    Enough said.
    It is funny isn't, the US has been in something like 20 wars recently, the only one with people they care about is the one with white people
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    @Swordsmyth, this is the other thread I was referring to.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Oh you poor, hapless, clueless bastards.

    Yeah, right, COVID is responsible.

    Mrs. AF works with the mother of a Ukrainian refugee family, who have two daughters in public screwl in a tiny little town in NH.

    They are sweet kids, I met them both at a company Christmas party and, while certainly not an endorsement of government schools, they both seem happy there and well adjusted, considering all the upheaval they have had to endure.

    I wonder why that is?
    I'm glad you were able to meet some Ukranian refugees and decide they had value. You sort of sound like the city councilman in this video who met some Hatian refugees at his church.

    See this video at about 1:09 in.

    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    What the Ukrainians and the Haitians have in common is that their suffering was directly CAUSED by the United States.

    If we are going to fuk up peoples lives in foreign places, we should make their suffering complete by making them stay there.

    Let's really dig down and get to the problem here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    Let's really dig down and get to the problem here.
    I'm told it can't be done. Don't know why. Something about veto-proof budgets and master negotiators who play 3D chess for fun being unable to use the ultimate bully pulpit to straighten anything out.

    I guess I don't properly understand the argument because all I ever get out of it is, "We can spend more to counter the problem, but we can't stop spending money to create the problem in the first place because that would require we stop spending money that we're spending."
    Last edited by acptulsa; 09-15-2024 at 09:34 AM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I'm glad you were able to meet some Ukranian refugees and decide they had value. You sort of sound like the city councilman in this video who met some Hatian refugees at his church.
    If the price to be paid to stop this invasion, and not be hamstrung by never ending accusations of favoritism or racism, is to not discriminate between these two groups, then I will personally tell that family to pack their bags.

    Elections still matter.

    Root causes?

    If Trump had been president, Putin never would have invaded.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

    If America is only an idea, then there is no need for masses of immigrants to come here since they can just create the idea in their own countries. - Random Thought from the Interwebs.

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    And of course nobody addresses just who was terrorizing this lone, foreign white girl in school.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

    If America is only an idea, then there is no need for masses of immigrants to come here since they can just create the idea in their own countries. - Random Thought from the Interwebs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    If the price to be paid to stop this invasion, and not be hamstrung by never ending accusations of favoritism or racism, is to not discriminate between these two groups, then I will personally tell that family to pack their bags.

    Elections still matter.

    Root causes?

    If Trump had been president, Putin never would have invaded.
    Note that I didn't make any such accusation. Read Proverbs 28:1. The point I made is that you actually met the Ukranaians and felt sympathy for them. Maybe you need to go to a certain Christian church in Sylacagua Alabama and meet some more people. I agree with your assertion that Putin most likelhy wouldn't have invaded Ukraine because Trump wouldn't have been talking about NATO expansion into Ukraine. (At least I have no reason to believe that.)
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    And of course nobody addresses just who was terrorizing this lone, foreign white girl in school.
    Why should they since clearly you aren't motivated by race?
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  15. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Note that I didn't make any such accusation. Read Proverbs 28:1. The point I made is that you actually met the Ukranaians and felt sympathy for them. Maybe you need to go to a certain Christian church in Sylacagua Alabama and meet some more people. I agree with your assertion that Putin most likelhy wouldn't have invaded Ukraine because Trump wouldn't have been talking about NATO expansion into Ukraine. (At least I have no reason to believe that.)
    Brother, my heart is hardened, because my people are facing extermination.

    I have little room for sympathy any longer, even for my own kind from foreign lands.

    What has made this land a viable safe haven, is being destroyed before our eyes, by forces internal and external.

    These forces will never be defeated, nor will they ever surrender, unless we take our situation in hand and deal with it, frankly, swiftly and without remorse or sympathy.

    Scripture tells us there is a time for all things.

    I agree with your assertion that Putin most likelhy wouldn't have invaded Ukraine because Trump wouldn't have been talking about NATO expansion into Ukraine.
    And that's the bottom line.

    The Russians have a legitimate concern when foreign troops mass on their border.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

    If America is only an idea, then there is no need for masses of immigrants to come here since they can just create the idea in their own countries. - Random Thought from the Interwebs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Why should they since clearly you aren't motivated by race?
    Oh, I dunno...would have made an interesting conversation I guess.
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

    If America is only an idea, then there is no need for masses of immigrants to come here since they can just create the idea in their own countries. - Random Thought from the Interwebs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Brother, my heart is hardened, because my people are facing extermination.

    I have little room for sympathy any longer, even for my own kind from foreign lands.
    Really? So the sympathy from the OP is gone? That's a shame. Seriously. And people losing sympathy for each other is the real threat even if you just can't understand it. No human is actually your enemy.

    Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

    It's the systems that are the enemy, no the people. Even the people who think they are running the systems are really just pawns in a larger game.

    What has made this land a viable safe haven, is being destroyed before our eyes, by forces internal and external.

    These forces will never be defeated, nor will they ever surrender, unless we take our situation in hand and deal with it, frankly, swiftly and without remorse or sympathy.

    Scripture tells us there is a time for all things.
    Yes. And scripture also tells us the evil forces will be defeated and how to defeat them. (Ephesians 6:12).

    And that's the bottom line.

    The Russians have a legitimate concern when foreign troops mass on their border.
    True. And the bottom line question is what is the best way to deal with such threats? Everybody everywhere has a legitimate concern. And the "principalties and powers" that are the driving forces behind war, misery and death are expert manipulators.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Oh, I dunno...would have made an interesting conversation I guess.
    Okay. Just for kicks I decided to look up the demographics of the San Fransico school system:

    https://www.usnews.com/education/k12...fic%20Islander.

    Students at San Francisco Unified School District
    The student body at the schools served by San Francisco Unified School District is 13.8% White, 6.2% Black, 37.7% Asian or Asian/Pacific Islander, 29.6% Hispanic/Latino, 0.2% American Indian or Alaska Native, and 0.8% Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander. In addition, 11.8% of students are two or more races, and 0% have not specified their race or ethnicity.

    Also, 48% of students are female, and 52% of students are male. At schools in San Francisco Unified School District, 35.1% of students are eligible to participate in the federal free and reduced price meal program and 33.9% of students are English language learners.

    So, going by random chance, her tormentors were most likely Asian or Latino. But who knows? The story also mentions homeless students. Blacks make up 37% of SF's homeless population but 6% of SF's general population which matches their school population. 92% of the homeless in SF do not have children with them.

    (See: https://hsh.sfgov.org/wp-content/upl...nalDraft-1.pdf). So I'm not sure why the article (which is no longer available online but can be found via the Wayback Machine) mentioned homelessness as part of the problem.

    This is also interesting from your article:


    Across the country, teachers say student violence overall has more than doubled since the pandemic and that they are “increasingly the target of disruptive behavior in the classroom,” according to a survey released Thursday by education research firm EAB.

    The survey also found 84% of teachers believe current students lack the ability to self-regulate and build relationships compared to peers prior to the pandemic.

    Nearly 75% of school leaders say staffing shortfalls are the biggest hurdle in addressing student behavior, according to the survey.

    Middle school has long been considered one of the more trying times for students, when childhood and adolescence blur, leaving many tweens frustrated, angry and hormonally emotional, their identity still unfolding even as the pressure to conform grows.

    But in recent months, middle school behavioral issues are noticeably more pronounced after the pandemic as students struggle to adjust to the academic and social expectations, district officials said.

    Hmmm.....who's most responsible for the pandemic itself and the lockdown policies that followed?



    Of course he'll never be held responsible because the system is protecting him. I haven't heard Trump or J.D. Vance bring him up either. Instead they're talking about who is or isn't eating cats.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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    Discussing Ukrainian refugees who have overwhelmed Ireland.

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