Build. The. Dome. [Edit: Immigration Debate Pt. 3,187]

[TheCount]

A wall is no longer enough.


We need a dome

[TheTexan]

It would solve the ladder problem.

[69360]

One word, tunnel.

The best way to stop illegal border crossings is to make it legal. Just give them a green card. It's not that $#@!ing hard.

[Anti Federalist]

One word, tunnel.

The best way to stop illegal border crossings is to make it legal. Just give them a green card. It's not that $#@!ing hard.

Yup, that's just what we need.

A half a billion dirt poor migrants, ready to be agitated and radicalized by our home grown white Marxists.

Enjoy being consumed by the wretched refuse.

[Anti Federalist]

A wall is no longer enough.

We need a dome

You're constructive.

Laughing at the disaster your fellow travelers created.

[Voluntarist]

A wall is no longer enough.

We need a dome

EPA won't allow it. You'd be building something that would generate a real greenhouse effect.

[Swordsmyth]

The "dome" is a missile shield.
But why did anyone expect to get the truth from this guy?

[AngryCanadian]

A wall is no longer enough.


We need a dome

Arresting the human traffickers is a soultion however its cornering that polticans in Washington DC might be corrupted on this issue.

[69360]

Yup, that's just what we need.

A half a billion dirt poor migrants, ready to be agitated and radicalized by our home grown white Marxists.

Enjoy being consumed by the wretched refuse.

Yeah the problem with that theory is that most of these people from Mexico, Cuba. Hati, Venezuela, Guatemala etc are escaping from failed socialist countries and know it doesn't work. These are also Catholic majority countries. They are much more conservative than you think.

[acptulsa]

Yeah the problem with that theory is that most of these people from Mexico, Cuba. Hati, Venezuela, Guatemala etc are escaping from failed socialist countries and know it doesn't work. These are also Catholic majority countries. They are much more conservative than you think.

You have to actually know some of them to get that. Breitbart will never say it.

[ClaytonB]

[Anti Federalist]

Yeah the problem with that theory is that most of these people from Mexico, Cuba. Hati, Venezuela, Guatemala etc are escaping from failed socialist countries and know it doesn't work. These are also Catholic majority countries. They are much more conservative than you think.

Has it ever occurred to you that all those countries went communist and failed because of the people living there, and their cultures, mindsets, prejudices and preferences?

It's an utterly moot point anymore, anyway.

The damage is done, and your side has won.

Enjoy life in Port-au-Prince West.

[Anti Federalist]

You have to actually know some of them to get that. Breitbart will never say it.

I have.

Lived and worked in the Caribbean, in Haiti in the Dominican Republic and right in the heart of Miami.

The news I read does not influence me unless it brings new or unknown facts to light.

Right now it is simply repeating what I have already known for decades.

And the solid first gen escapees can't tolerate the invasion of wretched refuse any more than I can.

They are just as opposed.

[acptulsa]

Has it ever occurred to you that all those countries went communist and failed because of the people living there, and their cultures, mindsets, prejudices and preferences?

I have.

Lived and worked in the Caribbean, in Haiti in the Dominican Republic and right in the heart of Miami.

Right in the heart of Miami you used to find the most militant anti-communist people you could ever hope to meet, when we were kids. It helped to be able to speak Spanish to know that. As for their grandkids, they got their culture and values from the Department of Education.

You remember the Department of Education, right? It's that thing St. Ronald Reagan of Hollywood would have nipped right in the bud, if the Greatest Generation hadn't been too parernalistic to get off their asses and demand he do it. "I don't think I trust it. But then again, maybe it'll straighten out those terrible schools in Alabama."

And those people you met in the Caribbean? They aren't the ones who fled the mess, are they?

[Okie RP fan]

Yeah the problem with that theory is that most of these people from Mexico, Cuba. Hati, Venezuela, Guatemala etc are escaping from failed socialist countries and know it doesn't work. These are also Catholic majority countries. They are much more conservative than you think.

I don't think your take is accurate.

These people tend to vote majority Democrat once they become legalized and/or their children (who were born here) tend to. Many of them are seeking government protections and welfare. Most seem willing to work, sure, but they come here to seek the benefits of living in a "successful" established country with a welfare system vs. their $#@! hole homes they helped wreck through their own ignorance and corruption...

And while many of them are Catholic on the surface, many are also believers in witchcraft, gangbanging, drug smuggling, etc. Those number more than we think but I'm not saying they make up the majority.

Cubans are the only ones who I think vote majority Republican and the government has long been disinterested in bringing more of them over vs. the Central Americans and Mexicans.

Source: I live in Oklahoma (where I'm seeing robust growth in Mexican/Central American immigration. Some parts of Tulsa are entirely Mexican now) and have some friends and extended family that were/are illegal crossers or were anchor babies. Some stories I've heard do not match well with the existing American framework [but that's being eroded so I'm sure it'll all be fine in the end /s].

[Anti Federalist]

Right in the heart of Miami you used to find the most militant anti-communist people you could ever hope to meet, when we were kids. It helped to be able to speak Spanish to know that. As for their grandkids, they got their culture and values from the Department of Education.

I'm very well aware of that.

My very first point in this thread was:

A half a billion dirt poor migrants, ready to be agitated and radicalized by our home grown white Marxists.

And my Spanglish is as good as anybody else's.

And those people you met in the Caribbean? They aren't the ones who fled the mess, are they?

Couldn't say about all.

Some were...they were in the middle of the ocean on homemade rafts.

Look, here's the straight dope as I see it.

I figured out the one thing, the one sentence, the one thought in our culture and system of government that Marxist left hates more than anything else:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution.

The concept in that one line drives them into fits of rage: whose posterity? Haiti's? Ghana"s? India's?

This is what they are on about when they are screeching about systemic and "built in" racism.

This is what they want to destroy, more than anything else: the intergenerational connection of virtues and ideals that formed the very basis of what this nation was, and all of western civilization in the larger context.

And they were unashamedly white, western and Christian virtues, ones that are under attack from every angle: thrift, hard work, delay of gratification, timeliness, perfection, manners, forward thinking and planning...all of them and more, including the sanctity of children, denounced as "racist" or "misogynistic" or any number of pejoratives from a dated and much needed to be purged past.

There is no better way to accomplish the Marxist goal, than to allow the invasion, migration, insufflation...call it whatever you will, of millions and millions and millions of unknown foreigners, who have no connection and no loyalty to the existing padeia of the country.

We know this is the Globalist Marxist future for all of us: The "Atomized Man", utterly divorced from any history or future, any ownership or free will, living in a cosmopolitan goulash of a mega city, walking to his stack-a-prole sleeping unit, eating soy wafers and ground bug gruel.

No past, no future, just an eternal present, summed up in one image: a boot, smashing a human face, forever.

This is it, this is the fight, these are the terms and unfettered migrant invasion is the one of the primary tools the Marxist left will use to achieve victory.

[acptulsa]

This is it, this is the fight, these are the terms and unfettered migrant invasion is the one of the primary tools the Marxist left will use to achieve victory.

Another is division. You know. The first step in divide and conquer.

If it came down to combat, and the bad guys were to drop a weapon, you know you'd pick it up and use it on them. Marxists make mistakes. And if one of those mistakes is letting in men who have no use for Marxists, who are in fact fresh out of Venezuela, and know them well enough to hate them enough to kill them, I'm determined to notice and pick that ally up. They, including their controlled oppo sites like Breitbart, want to nip that in the bud.

Nobody wants us to talk to these people with an open mind less than our enemy does.

No. Neither Breitbart nor Trump nor you are going to stick the broad brush in my hand and cause me to write them all off. That isn't an invitation for you to paint me with your broad brush and lump me in with the people who march them in with water bottles and cell phone chargers, the way you just did 69360.

The damage is done, and your side has won.

I can find many of them to be potential allies without approving of the game in which they were intended to be pawns. I can do that, because they're individuals, and I know it. I'm not unable to think when I'm mad, and I'm not desperate for some easy way to tell "us" from "them" without talking to people, and without going to the trouble to think.

Why are we even bumping this stupid troll thread? Answer me that. Look at the opening post and tell me how that smarmy fool managed to get a response out of you by poking you with that incredibly lame stick. Keep preaching, brother. Any further bumping of this snobbish and unfunny nonsense is on somebody else's head, not mine.

[Anti Globalist]

We should build a combination of a wall and a dome.

[69360]

We should build a combination of a wall and a dome.

Then the illegals will use teleporters and wormholes. You can't stop them, it's better to just legalize them. All we need to stop is the handouts. If you don't give the illegals a single penny in public assistance, then you will only get the good ones coming in.

[Anti Federalist]

Then the illegals will use teleporters and wormholes. You can't stop them, it's better to just legalize them. All we need to stop is the handouts. If you don't give the illegals a single penny in public assistance, then you will only get the good ones coming in.

Marxist NGOs around the globe are giving them handouts to invade here.

"Refugees" that just struggled from halfway around the world, don't have $500 iPhones and wear spotlessly clean $100 Nikes.

[Anti Federalist]

Another is division. You know. The first step in divide and conquer.

And the opposite of that is unity.

Tell me, what is there to "unify" around, say, Ilhan Omar or one her clones?

They seem to be the type the Marxists like to salt into far northern communities like mine, Northern African Muslims.

What should we "unify" around?

We share no common language, no common ethnicity, no common history, no common family, no common philosophy, no common religion, no common view on man and government and the relationship between the two.

In fact, most all of those are usually in opposition to each other.

The fact that on perhaps one or two issues, there might be some intersection of common interest is not relevant or germane.

I think I read once that she was opposed to property taxes because it violated Sharia law on usury or some such.

That does not overcome the gulf on so many other issues.

If it came down to combat, and the bad guys were to drop a weapon, you know you'd pick it up and use it on them. Marxists make mistakes. And if one of those mistakes is letting in men who have no use for Marxists, who are in fact fresh out of Venezuela, and know them well enough to hate them enough to kill them, I'm determined to notice and pick that ally up. They, including their controlled oppo sites like Breitbart, want to nip that in the bud.

Meh, if I listened to every person here and blocked out every source that was "controlled opposition" I'd have as much knowledge of current events as Rip Van Winkle.

It's all controlled opposition, I'm, frankly, insulted you would not think me smart enough to know that and make compensations for it.

Nobody wants us to talk to these people with an open mind less than our enemy does.

I have.

I tried very hard to adopt that accommodating mindset, to be a Ron Paul.

But it has backfired and blown up in my face as badly as accommodating the queeer mafia did.

Accommodation has led to the largest migrant invasion in the entire nation's history. For the two last years of the Biden regime, 2.7 million invaders have crossed into the country, with another million or more coming this year. Crime has exploded in cities across the country and legacy Americans, you know, our posterity, their blessing has been to die by the hundreds of thousands on Chinese fentanyl brought in by those invaders, or to forgot it and chop their genitals off and find satisfaction by being a queeer science experiment.

Some $#@!ing legacy, that.

Nope, on these issues, trade and culture and the queeer mafia and great replacements, the history is now written.

Ron was wrong and Pat Buchanan was right.

No. Neither Breitbart nor Trump nor you are going to stick the broad brush in my hand and cause me to write them all off. That isn't an invitation for you to paint me with your broad brush and lump me in with the people who march them in with water bottles and cell phone chargers, the way you just did 69360.

I don't have to pick up every rattler I come across to see if they are friendly.

I can find many of them to be potential allies without approving of the game in which they were intended to be pawns. I can do that, because they're individuals, and I know it. I'm not unable to think when I'm mad, and I'm not desperate for some easy way to tell "us" from "them" without talking to people, and without going to the trouble to think.

Not enough. Not enough by a factor of ten.

Again, that's pretty insulting, to infer that I have not given this any thought or that I can't think when I'm mad.

I'm in a high state of piss off 24/7, so I can mange complex thought at the same time.

And I have thought about it, long and hard, I've given it a great deal of thought.

Why are we even bumping this stupid troll thread? Answer me that. Look at the opening post and tell me how that smarmy fool managed to get a response out of you by poking you with that incredibly lame stick. Keep preaching, brother. Any further bumping of this snobbish and unfunny nonsense is on somebody else's head, not mine.

And in that you are 100 percent correct.

I wasn't going to say another word until I saw somebody else bumped it.

Mods, could we get a thread split maybe?

[Brian4Liberty]

Yeah the problem with that theory is that most of these people from Mexico, Cuba. Hati, Venezuela, Guatemala etc are escaping from failed socialist countries and know it doesn't work. ...

You mean like the people who flee communist states like California to turn other states blue? Fleeing failure is simply fleeing failure. There is no magical enlightenment that comes to those who flee. They are still just as ignorant as your average voter.

And I wouldn't confuse opposition to a person or government like Castro or Cuba with opposition to the welfare/warfare socialist state.

[oyarde]

The work force participation rate in this country is too low now , the GDP growth is to low ( with no obvious chance of recovery to respectable level consistently at all) , Debt up about 450 percent since yr 2000 ( 5.3 trillion to 31.5 trillion) . The debt will increase a staggering amount going forward. Weve just had 20 months of third world indlation. Adding immigrants has no chance to help. What is needed is less govt , less govt spending and a more productive citizenry with the people already here. By next yr tax collected will be less than 5 trillion and it will take 1 1/2 trillion to pay interest on the debt. Where we are headed the less mouths to feed here the better. We are down to simple math now .Everyone can put feelings and opinions aside .

[BSWPaulsen]

You mean like the people who flee communist states like California to turn other states blue? Fleeing failure is simply fleeing failure. There is no magical enlightenment that comes to those who flee. They are still just as ignorant as your average voter.

And I wouldn't confuse opposition to a person or government like Castro or Cuba with opposition to the welfare/warfare socialist state.

This sums it up. The assumption that those fleeing the failures from whence they came are now enlightened is extraordinarily mistaken.

[TheCount]

The "dome" is a missile shield.

I didn't say it wasn't.

[nobody's_hero]

Has it ever occurred to you that all those countries went communist and failed because of the people living there, and their cultures, mindsets, prejudices and preferences?

It's an utterly moot point anymore, anyway.

The damage is done, and your side has won.

Enjoy life in Port-au-Prince West.

"They will bring with them the principles of the governments they leave, imbibed in their early youth; or, if able to throw them off, it will be in exchange for an unbounded licentiousness, passing, as is usual, from one extreme to another. It would be a miracle were they to stop precisely at the point of temperate liberty. These principles, with their language, they will transmit to their children. In proportion to their numbers, they will share with us the legislation. They will infuse into it their spirit, warp and bias its directions, and render it a heterogeneous, incoherent, distracted mass."

I mean that pretty much sounds like where we're at. hell, I fear the same thing when yet another $#@! liberal from up north moves into Atlanta and starts blabbing about (or worse, voting to change) everything 'wrong' with our state government, why should it be any different across international borders?

[Swordsmyth]

Yeah the problem with that theory is that most of these people from Mexico, Cuba. Hati, Venezuela, Guatemala etc are escaping from failed socialist countries and know it doesn't work. These are also Catholic majority countries. They are much more conservative than you think.

Nope.
They vote for what they fled, just like Californians.
And when they do vote anti-communist it is Neocon dictatorship that goes abroad in search of monsters to destroy.

[Swordsmyth]

Has it ever occurred to you that all those countries went communist and failed because of the people living there, and their cultures, mindsets, prejudices and preferences?

It's an utterly moot point anymore, anyway.

The damage is done, and your side has won.

Enjoy life in Port-au-Prince West.

They haven't won.
We will throw them all out and those that welcomed them here as well.

[Anti Federalist]

I mean that pretty much sounds like where we're at. hell, I fear the same thing when yet another $#@! liberal from up north moves into Atlanta and starts blabbing about (or worse, voting to change) everything 'wrong' with our state government, why should it be any different across international borders?

Thanks and plus rep.

I had forgotten how relevant that quote was and I just did some quick research to make sure it was, in fact, a real Jefferson quote.

It is.

It comes from a series of papers written by Jefferson to highly placed political figures in France, who had asked him numerous questions about the revolution and how things were to be governed.

The series was called "Notes on the State of Virginia" dated 1781.

Obviously this passage concerned immigration.

They will infuse into it their spirit, warp and bias its directions, and render it a heterogeneous, incoherent, distracted mass.

[nobody's_hero]

Thanks and plus rep.

I had forgotten how relevant that quote was and I just did some quick research to make sure it was, in fact, a real Jefferson quote.

It is.

It comes from a series of papers written by Jefferson to highly placed political figures in France, who had asked him numerous questions about the revolution and how things were to be governed.

The series was called "Notes on the State of Virginia" dated 1781.

Obviously this passage concerned immigration.

Jefferson seemed to favor immigration to the extent that people could be assimilated, but we're not even able to have that discussion anymore.

The best way to show that capitalism is superior to socialism, for example, is to have two examples in stark contrast side-by-side so that anyone observing from the sidelines can clearly see the difference. Hence the need to have everyone jumbled together and living on top of each other, resulting in exactly what Jefferson described as "a heterogeneous, incoherent, distracted mass". As far as current immigration policy goes, assimilation is to be avoided at all costs. You can do that by throwing untenable numbers of Californians into Georgia, Massholes into New Hampshire, or Central Americans into the U.S, it's all the same.

[Before anyone jumps in to add the caveat that we're not a perfectly free-market capitalist system, I'm completely aware of that]

Jefferson goes on to write:

Suppose 20 millions of republican Americans thrown all of a sudden into France, what would be the condition of that kingdom? If it would be more turbulent, less happy, less strong, we may believe that the addition of half a million of foreigners to our present numbers would produce a similar effect here. If they come of themselves, they are entitled to all the rights of citizenship: but I doubt the expediency of inviting them by extraordinary encouragements….

You could imagine how unhappy California liberals would be if millions of free-staters from New Hampshire showed up in Sacramento and started trying to influence their government, but then again, free-stater porcupines would never f*cking go there, lol. Moving to an area where you have nothing but immeasurable contempt for local policies seems to be a uniquely leftist phenomenon. The fact that such migration is encouraged by the elites should give people pause for question.