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Thread: Dr. Paul: There's Absolutely No Reason To Default - January 25, 2023

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    Dr. Paul: There's Absolutely No Reason To Default - January 25, 2023

    Dr. Paul on Kudlow: There's Absolutely No Reason To Default - January 25, 2023

    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
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    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    Dr. Rand Paul Holds Press Conference on the Debt Ceiling (Full Press Conference)

    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

    Proponent of real science.
    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

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    Dr. Rand Paul Holds Press Conference on the Debt Ceiling

    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

    Proponent of real science.
    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

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    There is every reason to default.
    Stop taxing Americans to pay the people who loaded the fraudulent debt on us.
    Make it much harder for the feds to take on debt.
    Force a massive reduction in government.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

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    Rand is among the few who still believe in fiscal responsibility on Capitol Hill.

    As the system plays out, however, the need and votes for bigger government is democratically unstoppable now.

    Capitalism went bad. The wealth is too concentrated and dependency has become a way of life.
    "We should not listen to those who like to affirm that the voice of the people is the voice of God, for the tumult of the masses is truly close to madness." - Alcuin of York

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post

    Capitalism went bad.
    What does capitalism have to do with it?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    What does capitalism have to do with it?
    pretty much everything. The tension and war between American democracy and European-style high finance
    is what is playing out and has been unfolding for nigh 120 years. We're long in the tooth. These times were predicted
    by deep thinkers across the fields and disciplines at the highest levels... from Schumpeter to Beard. They lived when it began
    and knew where it was going... we've arrived... capitalism is oligarchy is plutocracy at war with culture and democracy, because
    democracy was too weak and stupid to contain its power. Ethics and natural law are the only powers aside from OLD TIME RELIGION
    that can defeat CAPITAL - ISM.
    "We should not listen to those who like to affirm that the voice of the people is the voice of God, for the tumult of the masses is truly close to madness." - Alcuin of York

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    capitalism is oligarchy is plutocracy at war with culture and democracy, because
    democracy was too weak and stupid to contain its power.
    I don't agree. Admittedly successful capitalism can make people wealthy enough to create plutocracy. But I don't see capitalism as the problem. The first thing plutocracy generally tries to do is squash the competition, and the only way to do that is to eliminate the very capitalism that created them.

    No, that sounds like Marxist sour grapes to me. Capitalism works. The trouble is the Bill Gates types, who find ways to create monopolies. That isn't capitalism. It's fascism.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 02-01-2023 at 05:47 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    Rand is among the few who still believe in fiscal responsibility on Capitol Hill.

    As the system plays out, however, the need and votes for bigger government is democratically unstoppable now.

    Capitalism went bad. The wealth is too concentrated and dependency has become a way of life.
    The fiscally responsible thing to do is to default.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    I don't agree. Admittedly successful capitalism can make people wealthy enough to create plutocracy. But I don't see capitalism as the problem. The first thing plutocracy generally tries to do is squash the competition, and the only way to do that is to eliminate the very capitalism that created them.

    No, that sounds like Marxist sour grapes to me. Capitalism works. The trouble is the Bill Gates types, who find ways to create monopolies. That isn't capitalism. It's fascism.
    Marxism is capitalist. Das Kapital.
    These terms were invented by the Judeo-Masonic banking groups to raise revolutions and wars in the 19th century. The extent that they propose opposing ideologies is very minimal, and only cosmetic in historical, real application.

    1785 Samuel Johnson's:
    Capital: 1) Relating to the head. 2) Criminal in the highest degree. 3) That which affects life. 4) Chief ; principal. 5) Chief ; metropolitan.
    6) Applied to letters : large. 7. Capital stoc: The principal or original stock of a trader or company.
    Capital: (noun from the adjective)1. the upper part of a pillar. 2. The chief city of a nation or kingdom.


    Capitalist - word did not exist.
    Capitalism - word did not exist.


    1828 Webster's:
    CAPITALIST, noun A man who has a capital or stock in trade, usually denoting a man of large property, which is or may be employed in business.

    Capitalism - word did not exist.

    communism (n.) creation date: 1843

    capitalism (n.) creation date: 1854
    etymonline.com
    "We should not listen to those who like to affirm that the voice of the people is the voice of God, for the tumult of the masses is truly close to madness." - Alcuin of York

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    Marxism is capitalist.
    That's the game the Left plays. It's downright Orwellian. Ignorance is strength. War is peace. Marxism is capitalist.

    So, we can infer you're Big Brother's propagandist, then?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    That's the game the Left plays. It's downright Orwellian. Ignorance is strength. War is peace. Marxism is capitalist.

    So, we can infer you're Big Brother's propagandist, then?
    I just showed you that the Left invented these terms in the 19th century. Then, you defend one of their Orwellian catch phrases.
    You're internalising their propaganda. See how it worked? No different than supporting the Reps or Dems. Same trap.
    "We should not listen to those who like to affirm that the voice of the people is the voice of God, for the tumult of the masses is truly close to madness." - Alcuin of York

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    I just showed you that the Left invented these terms in the 19th century. Then, you defend one of their Orwellian catch phrases.
    You're internalising their propaganda. See how it worked? No different than supporting the Reps or Dems. Same trap.
    Capitalism has a meaning, related to but separate from the specific meaning of the root word that gave rise to it. You're the one trying to change the meaning of that word like a leftist. You can spew irrelevant and spurious etymology until a year from next Tuesday, and everyone will still be able to see that fact.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 02-02-2023 at 03:20 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    I don't agree. Admittedly successful capitalism can make people wealthy enough to create plutocracy. But I don't see capitalism as the problem. The first thing plutocracy generally tries to do is squash the competition, and the only way to do that is to eliminate the very capitalism that created them.

    No, that sounds like Marxist sour grapes to me. Capitalism works. The trouble is the Bill Gates types, who find ways to create monopolies. That isn't capitalism. It's fascism.
    Isn't that deeply rooted in human nature though ?
    "I am a bird"

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    Quote Originally Posted by luctor-et-emergo View Post
    Isn't that deeply rooted in human nature though ?
    Apparently so. People have been quoting Lord Acton since 1887.



    Capitalism still works, though, and remains an opposite of Marxism. Furthermore, plutocracy dismantling capitalism so it can't create rivals to their power isn't capitalism going bad, it's capitalism being dismantled.

    Why do you ask? Should we ban capitalism to keep people from accumulating wealth, and parlaying it into power? Should cavemen have banned exercise to prevent the rise of bullies?

    There is no such thing as a tool the devil can't use. Shall we ban them all? How long would we survive? That's the leftist fallacy. That's why leftism only empowers those who administer it, and has never, ever empowered anyone else.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 02-02-2023 at 03:39 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Apparently so. People have been quoting Lord Acton since 1887.



    Capitalism still works, though, and remains an opposite of Marxism. Furthermore, plutocracy dismantling capitalism so it can't create rivals to their power isn't capitalism going bad, it's capitalism being dismantled.

    Why do you ask? Should we ban capitalism to keep people from accumulating wealth, and parlaying it into power? Should cavemen have banned exercise to prevent the rise of bullies?

    There is no such thing as a tool the devil can't use. Shall we ban them all? How long would we survive? That's the leftist fallacy. That's why leftism only empowers those who administer it, and has never, ever empowered anyone else.
    Why I ask? I like to have an intelligent discussion and sometimes it needs some fuel. I'm perfectly happy in taking positions I do not (fully) agree with in order to have someone else develop better arguments. It's about knowledge, and knowledge is power, as you may well know. Most of my questions are not because I want to know the answer to the question but rather the thought process behind it.

    I do subscribe to your further answer. I'm there with you. But in order to educate the masses you need to be open to the argument you will meet.
    And educating the masses is something you'll have to do, it's the only way.
    "I am a bird"



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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Capitalism has a meaning, related to but separate from the specific meaning of the root word that gave rise to it. You're the one trying to change the meaning of that word like a leftist. You can spew irrelevant and spurious etymology until a year from next Tuesday, and everyone will still be able to see that fact.
    "We should not listen to those who like to affirm that the voice of the people is the voice of God, for the tumult of the masses is truly close to madness." - Alcuin of York



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