Rage Against The War Machine - Anti-War Rally In D.C. (19 February 2023)

[osan]

Here's an idea - rather than dismantling NATO, which is highly unlikely for reasons I trust are obvious to anyone with an IQ, how about we invite Russia to join? All else equal, and they sadly seldom are, this would obviate the most obvious problem, leaving plenty of enemies to be squashed elsewhere. But getting one of the two large nuclear powers on your side would go a long way toward reducing the risk of conflagration in the northern hemisphere. A larger, stronger NATO standing guard against the one power that might then become problematic, China, would leave the world a safer and I'd argue more secure place, again all else equal.

Now, for those who call this naive, put your flaila away. I fully recognize that this would present a tenuous affair, but things are not likely to get any better than this any time soon, mainly because humans. We are a highly problematic species of predators and opportunist scavengers attempting to live in an ant's (or honey bee's) world. We see how well this works, most especially when there are squirmy little muck rakers sowing their mental poisons, and yes I am referring to the "left".

Let us assume the scummy little cretins of so-called "progressivism" are 100% well intentioned. Their attempts to free a world no longer ready to be freed stand only to drive us further down the cultural death spiral, which we witness every single day. This drive toward irresponsible self-absorption is sending us genitals-first back to eternal barbarism, minus the basic sense to know when to stop. It's a suicide jump of eight billion lemmings heaving themselves over the cliffs of chaos from which recovery would stand to take centuries to attain. And if perchance the intentions are not really very good, then you have an answer that needs no further elaboration. Either way, the result is the same and either we sit idly with our beer and popcorn of ever increasing cost and every falling quality, or we do something to stop it beyond protesting.

But back to the topic: if you want to see truth in all this, do as I say and invite Russia to join NATO. It will not have to get to the question of whether Russia says yes or no because you will hear the caterwauling of those whose interests include ongoing war with Russia. Seriously, this should be floated by someone, if for no other reason than as a test balloon to see who opposes the idea, and with what level of ferocity. Initially, you will likely find out who's balls are not their own as they step up to the mic to register their outrage at so wildly unsound an idea. Then I'd push it, if for no other purpose than to draw out those who are owned by the traitors.

But I suppose that makes too much sense to actually put into effort. Let us rather go to DC and "demand". Sure, because that will get you what you want.

Sheesh.

[WisconsinLiberty]

Here's an idea - rather than dismantling NATO, which is highly unlikely for reasons I trust are obvious to anyone with an IQ, how about we invite Russia to join?

NATO Has Always Been Part of the UN-led “New World Order” Scheme

NATO: The UN’s Military Arm

Ron Paul: It All Comes Back to NATO

[osan]

Another question in all this is what is the progressive view on this war with Russia. As I suspected, they are between a rock and a hard place. Apparently, they are now hawkish, which reveals something interesting about who and what they are, not the least of which are liars and hypocrites. But to give credit where due, it does appear that some of them are making a genuine effort to be better than the feces they have been since day one of their miserable existences, so I have to give a slight nod to those few.

There is more material on the question than I thought I'd find, which surprised me a bit, and not all of it is utter idiocy.

If you have nothing better to do whilst on the throne, grab your device (not that device, for Pete's sake) and go here: https://freespoke.com/search/web?q=w...ar+with+russia

Some of it is almost reasonable sounding. Seems an odd corner into which they have been painted by events.

[osan]

NATO Has Always Been Part of the UN-led “New World Order” Scheme

NATO: The UN’s Military Arm

Ron Paul: It All Comes Back to NATO

I'm thinking you're missing my deeper point. NATO should indeed be dismantled and we both know, or should know, that this is not going to happen any time soon. We have a war with Russia TODAY, not in ten years, and as things are going we will be lucky to have survived the coming summer if someone, somewhere doesn't buy some sense, and that admonition goes for all parties in this dangerous idiocy.

My real point, which I thought I made clearr and let me correct any insufficiency that escaped my notice, was to make the suggestion in an officially formal way and sit back an watch not so much what will happen, which is easily predictable, but by whom.

Don't you think it's high time we started applying strategically well considered tactics pursuant to getting to first base with regard to the ostensible goal opf getting ourselves freed of the gauntleted fists that are around our collective neck? How do we do that? Well, one way we don't do it is by going to DC to protest. Let us at least begin by taking an intelligent stab at identifying the enemy. Consider the fact that all we ever talk about are "tyrants" and so forth. The names of the likes of Pelosi, Schumer, and McConnell are not enough. Those are the low-hanging fruit. How about some of the less obvious sorts? We need to draw them out, if for no other reason than to be able to look at who might be pulling their strings.

As things stand now, we are a well-armed army in a pitch-black night with no NVG. We can shoot all we like, but we're not likely to hit anyone, save perhaps a few of our own. We need light on potential targets in order to know where to send the lead, so to speak, yet we have little to none. It's the figures whose names and faces we never see in the stark light of established connections that we need to grab. All the rest is a waste of time, otherwise.

The so-called "liberty" movement is a joke, and a very sad one at that. A raft of well intentioned people, flailing about wildly with a copy of the Constitution in one and and and scrap of paper with the NAP scribbled on it in the other. We as a nation (to hell with the rest of the world, at least for the time being until we get our own house sorted) is now on a steep slope to Obama's handlers' bottom. Citing principle and our other normative standards isn't nearly enough to get anything done. Placing our trust in our so-called "representatives" is a fool's errand. That pretty well leaves us to do all the heavy lifting, yet all we do is talk about protests and how we're gonna show `em, and oh my flipping God just stay home and wait for Big Bro to come knocking so you can hand your guns and your testes over to his kind representatives.

Other than the handful of militias that train, such as Hutaree, I see people getting nothing going. Consider this site, for example. I've suggested a project or two and have gotten bupkis. OK. But when that representative comes knocking, don't complain because we are all guilty of being lazy trash who won't lift a finger to do anything worthy of the say-so. Writing a check for $20 and sending it off doesn't count. That $#@!'s easy and an essentially void gesture meant to leave the donor feeling as if he's done something when he's done nothing at all.

Consider when a company does something egregious. Take Coca Cola, for example, when they admonished their white employees to be "less white". I stopped purchase of all coke products at that time. I admit to having had a coke or two since, and shame on me for it, but for the most part have eschewed their fare because they proved themselves a raft of woke scumbags. We can't even get Americans to stop buying the products of companies who waggle their corporate cocks in our faces. We can't get people to show up to board of ed meetings to give those child-molesting vermin pieces of our minds. Hell, we don't even see any significant withdrawal of children from the public schools in the face of the seemingly endless litany of dangers that threaten.

The bottom line here is that until we demonstrate otherwise, we don't deserve the freedoms with which we were born, but only the chains Theye place around our ankles, waists, and wrists in ever greater numbers and or ever heavier gauges, every stinking $#@!ty day of our now seemingly pointless existences.

Seriously now, if we're not going to fight to defend that which is ours, why not just give in? What was the point of a Jew speaking of his covenant with God we he meekly climbed up into the cattle car? Have the manifold and numerous lessons of the tyrant's history taught us nothing?

We won't do the most simple and easy things pursuant to that which we claim to want. What makes anyone think that we will be able to gain those lofty goals? How far to Theye have to encroach upon you before you get your ass out of the lay-z-boy and resist? My suspicion is Theye will have us hog-tied and going down the chute to the hammer long before we make any effort to save ourselves. And we will have deserved the fate Theye serve up to us, because in the face of clear attack such as that of the covid plague, we sat idly and meekly obeyed, the vast bulk of us.

I will press on regardless, I will be ignored, and I will sit back with a smile as I watch the unworthy relegated to their grim fates. My regret and sorrow are for those of the brighter character who will fight, but will be sucked into the vortex with the rest. It is for those few that my tears will fall. The rest, I will celebrate their destruction for they are the epitome of all that is despicable.

And more than anything, and as always, I will pray I prove grossly mistaken on every point.

[osan]

PS: If ten million Americans headed to DC to protest, I would give that more credit a marginally effective gesture. But Theye would not allow so many to gather there. Theye would have enforcers turning the cars away and any resistance would be met with violence, possibly gunfire.

Theye aren't just going to roll over because we tell them to. They have to be rooted out with picks, shovels, and most likely explosives. We are literally at war, yet so few see it.

[Brian4Liberty]

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But back to the topic: if you want to see truth in all this, do as I say and invite Russia to join NATO. It will not have to get to the question of whether Russia says yes or no because you will hear the caterwauling of those whose interests include ongoing war with Russia. Seriously, this should be floated by someone, if for no other reason than as a test balloon to see who opposes the idea, and with what level of ferocity. Initially, you will likely find out who's balls are not their own as they step up to the mic to register their outrage at so wildly unsound an idea. Then I'd push it, if for no other purpose than to draw out those who are owned by the traitors.
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Agree. As a troll, it would be illuminating. I’m surprised Rand hasn’t tried it yet.

The opposition would be almost universal from the deep state establishment and their WEF/NATO associates. The MSM would go into overdrive with every smear possible.

In reality, this is a battle of money, resources, and territory between the western globalist kleptocrats, and Putin. Putin has resisted and stymied their efforts to infiltrate, subvert, control, and loot Russia like they have the rest of the western world. Putin must go, so that Russia can be absorbed into the global kleptocracy.

Russia can join NATO just as soon as they turn over their nation to the global socialist kleptocracy for looting.

[Brian4Liberty]

Bad look having Russian flags in the background. May as well just give the MSM license to paint non-intervention as Russian shill ops. Seriously who the $#@! thought capturing that image repeatedly was a good idea?

TheNewAmerican is a neocon operation. PNAC

Come on folks be smarter.

MSM doesn't need any pictures or proof at all to smear people as Russian agents or Russian allies. They have proven that over and over.

That being said, there is a reason that many (most?) events such as this control the stage and background. Give people an opportunity, and every fringe person will jump out there with their sign or flag. Don’t give them the opportunity. That will keep your stage from becoming a bulletin board at a coffee shop in Berkeley.

There is no way to control the crowd watching the speech, and the MSM will also use that for their own corrupt agenda. They will find one crazy or off-topic person at a rally they oppose and feature them, meanwhile they would ignore it if every single person at a Democrat rally was waving a communist flag. They go out of their way to sweep it under the rug.

Hell, the MSM denies it even if it does get on their cameras. “Mostly peaceful protest”. Lol.

[Brian4Liberty]

Gerald Celente at the Rage Against the War Machine Rally in Washington D.C, February 19, 2023

[osan]

Agree. As a troll, it would be illuminating. I’m surprised Rand hasn’t tried it yet.

Does anyone here have any line in to Rand that he might suggest something like this?

I still have Thomas' cell number, assuming it is still in service with him, but have not called him since he went to the House. I'd be very reticent to call now as I'm sure he has better things to do than spend his time talking to a crazy old coot like me.

The opposition would be almost universal from the deep state establishment and their WEF/NATO associates. The MSM would go into overdrive with every smear possible.

Absolutely, but on the chance that a few revealing mouths would open, thus expanding the pool of identified traitorous scum might be worth the stab.

I despise the Russians, or perhaps more properly the Soviets who murdered a sizable chunk of my family, but if I put all my considerable bile and venom away and look at it from the Russian POV, I can see at least the possibility that Russia was right to do what they did. After all, if China put half a million troops into Mexico, would a sane America sit idly by? No.

Ooo... also, now that Russia has smartly disentangled itself from START, anyone think they will resume real world testing? Will we get back to neutron bombs? I say we should. If we are going to kill everyone, we might as well at least leave the infrastructure intact. Why blow down all those pretty churches and theaters and museums?

[Brian4Liberty]

Daniel McAdams - Rage Against The War Machine

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Dan McKnight - Rage Against The War Machine

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Dan Cohen - Rage Against The War Machine

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Roger Waters - Rage Against The War Machine

[Brian4Liberty]

Scott Ritter Uncanceled: Rage Against the War Machine Speech

This is the speech Scott Ritter would have delivered at the Lincoln Memorial on February 19, 2023. Subscribe to our Substack:

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[devil21]

MSM doesn't need any pictures or proof at all to smear people as Russian agents or Russian allies. They have proven that over and over.

That being said, there is a reason that many (most?) events such as this control the stage and background. Give people an opportunity, and every fringe person will jump out there with their sign or flag. Don’t give them the opportunity. That will keep your stage from becoming a bulletin board at a coffee shop in Berkeley.

There is no way to control the crowd watching the speech, and the MSM will also use that for their own corrupt agenda. They will find one crazy or off-topic person at a rally they oppose and feature them, meanwhile they would ignore it if every single person at a Democrat rally was waving a communist flag. They go out of their way to sweep it under the rug.

Hell, the MSM denies it even if it does get on their cameras. “Mostly peaceful protest”. Lol.

I get all of what you're saying but one thing that majorly separates libertarians and fellow travelers, anti-war activists/non-interventionists in this instance, from the two party behemoth is that the 2 party behemoth works very hard to manage their public images and messaging. Libertarians just kinda have an "anything goes" laissez-faire approach to events and campaigns. Ideologically nice but also a major contributing factor to how it's so easy for the 2 party behemoth and their paid-for MSM outlets to marginalize us. I mean really, Russian flags all up in the video feed? Didn't it occur to anyone that people may attend events solely for the purpose of doing things like that to discredit the event??? It doesn't occur to anyone involved in the organizing and producing of the event to say "Hey that's a really bad look and we will not be subverted" and respond accordingly?

[osan]

Roger Waters - Rage Against The War Machine

I am surprised and not surprised all at once. The surprising bit is that here Roger Waters speaks some basic sense, something I thought he'd abandoned years ago as he seems to have drifted into the cancer we know as "wokeness". I never thought I'd hear him condemning both sides, as is the proper and correct thing.

The unsurprising bit is that he comes to the futile conclusion at the end of an otherwise sound presentation as he calls for change that is likely never going to happen. Theye, the subhuman vermin whose opinions are that we are useless eaters whose lives must be sacrificed by any means necessary in order to "save the planet (yeah, save it for themselves), will show no such change as that for which Waters so naively calls. OK, so far as he went, but once again in typical fashion he went not far enough. I once again ask: what will Waters call for when Theye ignore him and the rest of us? All I hear are <crickets>.

Take a cue from the Ukrainians: be ready to go to hot, lead-slinging war. In the meanwhile, ID those against whom such war must be waged. Who are their enforcers and how can one get to them before they decide to blindly follow orders? Undermine not Themme directly, but if possible, soften the enforcers, for without them Theye have no means of striking at you that cannot be overcome, save the one instrumentality: biological warfare, where if they possess the right pathogen, all it would take is a single individual to venture forth into the world to launch the weapon. Still a terrible specter, but far less so than that plus armed thugs with orders to kill everything in sight.

But the "Give Peace A Chance" deal with footage of that scurrilous bastard Lennon and that creature he was humping... give me a fookin' break. Waters just had to take that left turn the wrong way up a one-way street.

This is what I mean about having no apparent sense of strategy. Of course, it could be that someone, somewhere is planning in the ways I have suggested in this thread, and let us all hope that it it proves the case. But that possibility seems remote at best and I hold this seemingly pessimistic view because that has been the historic pattern. Add to that our lackadaisical attitudes toward the general circumstance, and things start looking rather bleak. And if perchance the right next steps are being undertaken with the idea of secrecy so as not to alert Themme, that seems equally foolish because I doubt Theye will not have taken such things into consideration. Part of me is inclined to let Themme know that someone, somewhere is planning Theire displacement in the scheme of world affairs. Let Themme get defensive because I think they need to be on edge. Nervous adversaries are more likely to make mistakes such as acting precipitously. Get Themme good and ginned up with tension and let them feel compelled to escalate earlier than perhaps they might otherwise have wanted. Time is on THEIRE side, not ours. Time is decidedly against us, so I say if Theye are going to act eventually, let them do it sooner than later. How better to force Theire hand than by engaging mass disobedience?

But no, we will likely not do even the least thing to save ourselves. The Stupor Bowl seems more important.

[osan]

We must stand united to prevent nightmare of WW3

Not a bad presentation, but at 5:20 she goes off the rails a bit where she claims that a nuclear war cannot be won. Her assertion turns entirely on how one defines "winning".

That aside, she seems to miss the far more immediately dangerous point: it matters no whit whether a nuclear war can be won, regardless of the definition. What matters is that both Russia and China believe that such a war in winnable. Belief is the arbiter here of the decision whether to engage in such a war. Your words form your thoughts. Your beliefs found in those thoughts, and your beliefs form your reality. Why, for heaven's sake, does anyone think that the people of the old world acted in so many apparently absurd ways? In the "west", it was because of their belief in God and the specifications and descriptions of what God was all about and of which He was capable as set forth in the Bible. If you believe in the Christian ethic, for example, an entire set of prerogatives fly away from you. Whereas you are limited by that ethic, a Jew may not be, nor a Muslim. Vengeance is very much a part of Jewish and Islamic justice, whereas punishment softened by forgiveness and mercy are the hallmarks of at least some Christian sects. The point here, which is not to go into a religious lecture, is that belief is the ultimate power in the human world. It shapes EVERYTHING, starting with the ways in which we think, leading directly to the material choices we make.

As I have posted here many times, where mind goes, Brother Ass follows.

In the young lady's mind a nuclear war cannot be won. Fine... for her. But the Russians think very differently on the matter, as do the Chinese. Add to that not just an American president who is running his ignorant, weak-ego fired mouth in seemingly endless taunt of the Russians, he is seen as a paper tiger; a weakling of the first order. Between that buffoon's big yap, the fact that he is a wholesale Weakman, and the fact that our two biggest adversaries believe nuclear war is winnable, chances are at least fair that they correctly see this time as being an opportunity to strike; one that may never again present itself. Therefore, I would say that we are indeed at the greatest risk of a nuclear strike in all our history to date. Consider that Russia and China also see that chances are fair to middling we would not even launch in response to a coordinated nuclear attack designed to reduce us to incapacity.

Hard positive truth means nothing in the face of sincere, contrariwise belief.

[merkelstan]