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  1. #451
    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    What is the point of the segment if more electric cars reduce demand for oil?
    Do more electric cars reduce the demand for oil? Gas? They increase the demand for electricity. What do you suppose they're going to make it from? Unicorn farts?

    Liberals think we can make up the entire shortfall with green stuff without transforming entire swaths of farmland and/or natural habitat into bird-chopping no-fly windmill zones. Do you think that will work?
    Last edited by acptulsa; 11-30-2023 at 05:11 AM.



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  3. #452
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Do more electric cars reduce the demand for oil? Gas? They increase the demand for electricity. What do you suppose they're going to make it from? Unicorn farts?

    Liberals think we can make up the entire shortfall with green stuff without transforming entire swaths of farmland and/or natural habitat into bird-chopping no-fly windmill zones. Do you think that will work?
    Did you watch that interview? The expert that called in to claim that EV's don't work then stated that they reduce the use of oil.

  4. #453
    Well, if they don't work, they don't use any type of energy.

  5. #454
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post

    https://twitter.com/JohnStossel/stat...09583949201571
    Car Dealers Warn Biden: ‘Unrealistic’ Green Agenda Must Be Abandoned, Americans Not Buying Electric Cars

    https://www.breitbart.com/economy/20...electric-cars/

    JOHN BINDER 29 Nov 2023

    Car dealers across the United States are warning President Joe Biden that his “unrealistic” green energy agenda must be abandoned, mainly because Americans are not buying Electric Vehicles (EVs) as the administration expected.

    Executives with car dealerships from Massachusetts to Alabama to Wyoming sent a letter to Biden this week, urging his administration to drop EV mandates and green energy requirements on the auto industry, citing a lack of interest among American consumers in EVs.

    “… we are asking you to slow down your proposed regulations mandating battery electric vehicle (BEV) production and distribution,” the car dealers tell Biden:

    Your administration has proposed regulations that would essentially mandate a dramatic shift to battery electric vehicles (BEVs), increasing year after year until 2032, when two out of every three vehicles sold in America would have to be battery electric. [Emphasis added]



    The reality, however, is that electric vehicle demand today is not keeping up with the large influx of BEVs arriving at our dealerships prompted by the current regulations. BEVs are stacking up on our lots. [Emphasis added]

    According to the car dealers, “enthusiasm has stalled” with EVs and the number of unsold EVs sitting on dealership lots are piling up “even with deep price cuts, manufacturer incentives, and generous government incentives.”

    “With each passing day, it becomes more apparent that this attempted electric vehicle mandate is unrealistic based on current and forecasted customer demand,” the car dealers write to Biden. “Already, electric vehicles are stacking up on our lots which is our best indicator of customer demand in the marketplace.”

    Americans are mostly concerned with the cost of EVs, the car dealers write, as well as the unavailability of charging stations, the time it takes to charge an EV, and the loss of driving range depending on the weather and towing.

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    “Today’s current technology is not adequate to support the needs of the majority of our consumers,” they write:

    Many of these challenges can and will be addressed by our manufacturers, but many of these challenges are outside of their control. Reliable charging networks, electric grid stability, sourcing of materials, and many other issues need time to resolve. And finally, many people just want to make their own choice about what vehicle is right for them. [Emphasis added]

    Mr. President, it is time to tap the brakes on the unrealistic government electric vehicle mandate. Allow time for the battery technology to advance. Allow time to make BEVs more affordable. Allow time to develop domestic sources for the minerals to make batteries. Allow time for the charging infrastructure to be built and prove reliable. And most of all, allow time for the American consumer to get comfortable with the technology and make the choice to buy an electric vehicle. [Emphasis added]

    Auto industry experts who spoke to Axios said their dealerships have struggled to sell EVs. Mickey Anderson, whose firm owns dealerships in Colorado, Missouri, and Nebraska, said Ford’s F-150 Lightning all-electric pickup truck is their latest hard sell.

    Last year, for instance, the firm’s dealerships sold just 25 of the all-electric trucks out of about 1,000 F-series trucks sold.

    “We’ve been far too focused on the Tesla buyer, the well-heeled one-to-two percenters,” Anderson told Axios. “We’re forgetting about the people where a car is not a luxury, it’s a necessity.”

    Likewise, dealerships in North Carolina told Axios they are similarly unable to get EVs off their lots. Instead, the cars are collecting dust.

    “If people were dying to have EVs, it’d be great because I could sell them,” Toyota dealership owner Mary Rice told Axios. “Instead, I’m going be at the end of the year with this car no one wants. There’s no amount of money that makes sense for an EV here.”

    Across, the nation, the data on EV sales tell the same story.

    Data from Edmunds.com found in September 2022, EVs sat on dealership lots for just 21 days before they were sold. Today, EVs are sitting on dealership lots for 65 days.
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  6. #455
    Seems like Tesla is number 1 in America for made in the USA. Also seems like Tesla Model Y and Model 3 are rated pretty darn high on reliability. With that said, all EV's are not the same. I think some were boasting of the greatness of some EV's before the political push.

  7. #456
    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    Seems like Tesla is number 1 in America for made in the USA. Also seems like Tesla Model Y and Model 3 are rated pretty darn high on reliability. With that said, all EV's are not the same. I think some were boasting of the greatness of some EV's before the political push.
    It might be number 1 for those that could afford it.
    Electric car shock: Ontario man told new battery would cost more than $50,000



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  10. #458
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Well, it's Texas, so...

  11. #459
    https://twitter.com/BenSwann_/status...42513819468017


  12. #460
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    https://twitter.com/BenSwann_/status...42513819468017

    We told you so...
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  13. #461
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    We told you so...
    Because there is no way to block access to petrol pumps.....

  14. #462
    Quote Originally Posted by GomerPile View Post
    Because there is no way to block access to petrol pumps.....
    Has nothing to do with access to fuel, but about access to money.

  15. #463
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Has nothing to do with access to fuel, but about access to money.
    Or access to a still and a lot of grain.

  16. #464
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Has nothing to do with access to fuel, but about access to money.
    So you mean they can ban access to fuel for EV's and ICE cars? wow! Maybe someone should change the title of this thread.

    In a government lockdown....who will have an easier time fueling up their car?



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  18. #465
    Tesla’s latest Autopilot recall update affects nearly every vehicle in the US

    https://www.popsci.com/technology/tesla-recall/

    The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has issued a sweeping recall affecting nearly every Tesla sold in the US due to safety flaws within the vehicles’ Autopilot systems. About two million vehicles will receive over-the-air software updates in the coming days to address the company’s latest setback in its ongoing “Full Self-Driving” project.

    According to the federal authority’s December 12 announcement, the electric vehicle company’s flagship, increasingly criticized “driver-assistance feature” reportedly fails to properly ensure drivers remain attentive and in control of their EVs. Because of this, the NHTSA determined “in certain circumstances when Autosteer is engaged, the prominence and scope of the feature’s controls may not be sufficient to prevent driver misuse.” As a result, Tesla vehicles with the outdated Autopilot system enabled could fail to properly guard against potential accidents.

    The update will apply to all Model X, Model S, Model 3, and Model Y cars manufactured between October 5, 2012, and December 7, 2023. Once installed, the latest Autorsteer version will reportedly “further encourage the driver to adhere to their continuous driving responsibility” via additional controls and alerts, as well as limit where the feature can be activated.

    The sweeping recall is the latest blow to Tesla’s long standing promise to soon offer customers a suite of fully autonomous vehicles. The Full Self-Driving program has faced years of pushback from vehicle safety regulators and industry critics over its safety record, efficacy, and overall capabilities. Prior to this week’s recall, Autopilot was advertised as a “hands-on driver assistance system” intended only for use while operators maintained constant attention on the road.

    “It does not turn a Tesla into a self-driving car nor does it make a car autonomous,” reads the company’s own description.

    As Wired notes, Tesla drivers must agree to “maintain control and responsibility” for their EV while Autopilot is engaged. When activated, the feature offers a scalable number of audio and visual warnings when a driver is detected to have removed their hands from the steering wheel. Autopilot will automatically shut off for the rest of a trip if too many alerts are triggered.

    Despite these caveats, Tesla CEO Elon Musk has long promised the imminent arrival of autonomous Tesla EVs. In October 2022, Tesla CEO Elon Musk told investors during a call that Full Self-Driving would soon allow drivers to travel, “to your work, your friend’s house, to the grocery store without you touching the wheel,” before cautioning, “we’re not saying that that’s quite ready to have no one behind the wheel.”

    Aside from the multiple recall alerts in recent years, the Department of Justice is also investigating whether or not Tesla and its CEO repeatedly misled investors and consumers about Autopilot’s capabilities. In a demonstration video still available on Tesla’s website, a person is shown sitting in the driver’s seat without their hands on the steering wheel as the car navigates a public road.

    “The person in the driver’s seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself,” reads a video subheading.
    As The Register reported earlier this week, Tesla lawyers recently responded to a separate, similar investigation by the state of California into false and misleading Autopilot claims—according to the company’s legal team, Tesla continues to operate within its First Amendment right to free speech.
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  19. #466
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Tesla’s latest Autopilot recall update affects nearly every vehicle in the US

    https://www.popsci.com/technology/tesla-recall/
    Lol. So the recall has nothing to do with the effectiveness of the self driving function, the recall is about forcing more monitoring of the driver. Figures.
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  20. #467
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Lol. So the recall has nothing to do with the effectiveness of the self driving function, the recall is about forcing more monitoring of the driver. Figures.
    Yeah, their leader is on the bad side of the narratives... They'll keep coming after him in any way they can.

    To be clear, though, Tesla has multiple cameras facing inside and outside the vehicle and they have access to all the footage. They were even passing around footage of people having sex inside the vehicles. This issue isn't about monitoring the drivers more - they do that constantly - it's about disabling functionality of the vehicles based on the behaviors of drivers.
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  21. #468
    Quote Originally Posted by GomerPile View Post
    So you mean they can ban access to fuel for EV's and ICE cars? wow! Maybe someone should change the title of this thread.

    In a government lockdown....who will have an easier time fueling up their car?
    The one who has to do it less often. How obvious is that?

  22. #469
    Quote Originally Posted by GomerPile View Post
    In a government lockdown....who will have an easier time fueling up their car?
    The ones drinking their koolaid??
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  23. #470
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    The one who has to do it less often. How obvious is that?
    I have one thing to say....

    "Wood gas"

  24. #471
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Yeah, their leader is on the bad side of the narratives... They'll keep coming after him in any way they can.

    To be clear, though, Tesla has multiple cameras facing inside and outside the vehicle and they have access to all the footage. They were even passing around footage of people having sex inside the vehicles. This issue isn't about monitoring the drivers more - they do that constantly - it's about disabling functionality of the vehicles based on the behaviors of drivers.
    The issue is with the name: autopilot.

    If you sell people an autopilot but then state in the fine print that the autopilot will run over kids and smash into fire trucks if you don't monitor it constantly, you're going to open yourself up to legal problems.
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  25. #472
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    The issue is with the name: autopilot.

    If you sell people an autopilot but then state in the fine print that the autopilot will run over kids and smash into fire trucks if you don't monitor it constantly, you're going to open yourself up to legal problems.
    Obviously not.



    The issue is, Teslas were sold as "self driving". I could search up several threads, if your memory doesn't go back as far as last year...



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  27. #473
    Quote Originally Posted by GomerPile View Post
    Because there is no way to block access to petrol pumps.....
    Can't store a bunch of electrons in an old heating oil tank, like I used to do, before a tragic shop fire burned all my supplies and ammo up.
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  28. #474
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    The issue is with the name: autopilot.
    Autopilot has been in planes and boats for decades......what function does it provide in those vehicles?

  29. #475
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Can't store a bunch of electrons in an old heating oil tank, like I used to do, before a tragic shop fire burned all my supplies and ammo up.
    But you can make them yourself about 10 different ways. The cheapest being solar panels that will last for 20 years.

  30. #476
    Quote Originally Posted by GomerPile View Post
    Autopilot has been in planes and boats for decades......what function does it provide in those vehicles?
    Dunno. What decade are you talking about? Certainly the original Sperry gyroscopic Auto-Pilot™ couldn't tell you which way Cleveland was.

  31. #477
    White House threatens to veto anti-EV bill just passed by US House
    The bill would prevent the EPA from enforcing tougher new pollution standards.

    https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/12...d-by-us-house/

    The White House's plan to boost electric vehicle adoption came under heavy fire in Congress on Wednesday. Five Democratic Representatives joined the Republican majority to pass a bill that would prohibit the US Environmental Protection Agency from enacting stricter new corporate average fuel efficiency regulations that would require automakers to sell many more EVs by the year 2032.

    Its passage in the House follows a letter-writing campaign by some US auto dealers to get the White House to abandon its climate targets as the dealers say they find it too difficult to sell electric vehicles...

    ...HR 4468, also known as the Choice in Automobile Retail Sales Act 2023, passed the US House 221 votes to 197. A pair of Texas Democrats (Henry Cuellar and Vicente Gonzales), as well as Jared Golden (D-Maine), Donald Davis (D-N.C.), and Mary Peltola (D-Alaska) all voted with the Republican Party.

    The bill's language is rather short and to the point. It says the EPA cannot "finalize, implement, or enforce" new vehicle pollution regulations that are meant to go into effect in 2027.

    The bill also says the EPA regulations cannot "mandate the use of any specific technology" or "result in limited availability of new motor vehicles based on the type of new motor vehicle engine in such new motor vehicles."

    The White House strongly condemned the legislation, which it says would "catastrophically impair" the EPA's ability to regulate vehicle pollution, and President Joe Biden has threatened to veto the bill should it pass the Senate and be sent to his desk.
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  32. #478
    No you mental midget....autopilot maintains a heading, speed, and/or altitude and nothing else. If there is a mountain or a sandbar in the way you just hit it.

    Modern systems have expanded on these basic capabilities with waypoints, glide slope, etc. In the end autopilot systems are convenience features, not autonomous features.

    In a car autopilot maintains distance (speed) and stays in the lane markings.

    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Dunno. What decade are you talking about? Certainly the original Sperry gyroscopic Auto-Pilot™ couldn't tell you which way Cleveland was.

  33. #479
    Quote Originally Posted by GomerPile View Post
    No you mental midget....
    Sooo... Why did you name yourself after a nice, polite gentleman again? Just curious.

  34. #480
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Sooo... Why did you name yourself after a nice, polite gentleman again? Just curious.
    Well, in French his name is Gomer Battery
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