California, San Francisco, etc. consider reparations

[Anti Federalist]

Happy to see this.

Whites are a minority majority in San Fran.

Let the heathen Chinee and Beaners drag the coloreds through life for a while.

I'm frankly exhausted of carrying the White Man's Burden.





San Francisco's reparations committee proposes $5M payout to every longtime black resident, debt forgiveness and $97,000 guaranteed income that would cost city $50bn

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-resident.html

San Francisco's reparations committee proposed individual $5million payments
The payments could be given to black residents at least 18 years old
Qualifiers would need to have lived in San Francisco for at least 13 years
If just 10,000 people qualified it would cost San Francisco at least $50billion

By ALEX OLIVEIRA FOR DAILYMAIL.COM

PUBLISHED: 17:43 EST, 16 January 2023 | UPDATED: 18:15 EST, 16 January 2023

San Francisco's reparations committee will propose paying $5million to each longtime black resident of the city in a reparations plan this spring.

To qualify, people need to have identified as black on public records for at least 10 years and be at least 18 years old. They also must qualify for two of a number of requirements, including having been born in the city or migrated to it between 1940 and 1996 and then lived there for 13 years.

It is unclear exactly how many people would qualify should the proposal pass, but if just 10,000 people qualified it would cost at least $50billion.

The proposal will be submitted to Mayor London Breed and the San Francisco Board of Supervisors and the San Francisco Human Rights Commission in June. Board President Aaron Peskin told the San Francisco Chronicle he hopes the proposal will pass.

They were unveiled weeks after the chair of California's Reparations Task Force claimed the state's black residents were owed $1 million each.

The $5million payment to qualifying San Francisco residents is just the beginning of the draft's proposals.

'A lump sum payment would compensate the affected population for the decades of harms that they have experienced, and will redress the economic and opportunity losses that Black San Franciscans have endured, collectively, as the result of both intentional decisions and unintended harms perpetuated by City policy.'

The proposal also offers a number of other requirements to be handed out to qualifiers, including the creation of a 'comprehensive debt forgiveness program' which would eliminate credit card and other debts, along with student and housing loans.

'Black households are more likely to hold costlier, riskier debt, and are more likely to have outstanding student loan debt,' the proposal said. 'When this is combined with lower household incomes, it can create an inescapable cycle of debt. Eliminating this debt gives Black households an opportunity to build wealth.'

The proposal also says qualifying low-income households should have their income supplemented to match the city's median income - $97,000 in 2022 - for the next 250 years.

'Racial disparities across all metrics have led to a significant racial wealth gap in the City of San Francisco,' the draft states.

'By elevating income to match AMI, Black people can better afford housing and achieve a better quality of life.'

A number of other proposals include investment in San Francisco's black community, financial education, legal protections of people's reparations, tax credits, and black-owned banks being brought in to manage people's money.

The proposal also says San Francisco 'issue a formal apology for past harms, and commit to making substantial ongoing, systemic and programmatic investments in Black communities to address historical harms.'

Slavery was never legal in California, but the state was a haven for slaveowners during the period.

The proposal also cites a number of city initiatives from decades past that studies show were racially motivated and had debilitating effects on the black population.

Some were as simple as early legal restrictions against where black people could live in the city and the kinds of jobs they could hold.

Others were as far-reaching as city-wide zoning measures which left black communities marginalized effectively in ghettos, or else entirely razed to the ground and left vacant for years.

In addition to the racial, age, and duration of San Francisco residency requirements, people who meet a number of other qualifications would be eligible for the reparations.

Other qualifying factors include being able to demonstrate descent from a slave, having been affected by or directly descended from somebody who was affected by urban renewal, and other policies in the 1900s.

Qualifiers can also be directly descended from somebody who was jailed during the War on Drugs campaign, has been incarcerated themselves under the initiative, or can demonstrate they attended San Francisco public schools during desegregation.

The proposal will be submitted to San Francisco leadership in June.

'There are so many efforts that result in incredible reports that just end up gathering dust on a shelf,' San Francisco Board of Supervisors president Peskin told the SF Chronicle.

'We cannot let this be one of them,' he added.

The proposal was compiled by the San Francisco African American Reparations Advisory Committee [AARAC], which was commissioned by the Board of Supervisors. It was first presented to leadership in December.

'Centuries of harm and destruction of black lives, black bodies and black communities should be met with centuries of repair,' AARAC chair Eric McDonnell told the SF Chronicle. 'If you look at San Francisco, it's very much a tale of two cities.'

San Francisco's proposals come in the wake of California's Reparations Task Force boss Kamilah Moore sharing her demands for payback.

She said any black Californians descended from slaves were owed $1 million each.

Moore also said any black resident who'd suffered housing discrimination at the hands of California was owed $223,500.

She asserted that redlining - refusing loans such as mortgages to poorer people - had kept many black Californians in poverty between 1933 and 1977.

Despite the huge cost of complying with the proposals, Moore insists they'd actually benefit the Californian economy by stimulating consumer spending.

Who qualifies for $5million reparations
All qualifier must fulfill the following requirements at the time of enactment:

- Be at least 18 years-old

- Have identified as 'Black/African American' on public records for at least 10 years

All qualifiers must also fulfill two of the following requirements:

- Be born in the city between 1940 and 1996, and be able to provide proof of residency covering 13 years

- Have migrated to the city between 1940 and 1996, and be able to provide proof of residency covering 13 years

- Have been imprisoned during the War on Drugs campaign or be directly descended from somebody who was

- Have attended city public schools during desegregation

- Be a descendant of somebody who was enslaved in the United States before 1865

- Have been or are descended from somebody displaced during San Francisco's Urban Renewal project between 1954 and 1973

- Have been or are descended from a Certificate of Preference holder

- Be a part of a marginalized demographic that experienced lending prejudice between 1937 and 1968, or experienced the effects of those practices between 1968 and 2008

[Anti Federalist]

Hey mods: I understand wanting keep things neat and tidy, but the story i just posted was about San Fran's reparations board proposal.

This is separate and apart from and I'm assuming in addition to, the state wide $1 million dollar proposal.

So far, if the proposals go hand in hand, blacks in San Francisco stand to get $6 million in cash, a lifetime UBI of $97,000, complete mortgage absolution and total personal and college debt forgiveness.

[Occam's Banana]

Hey mods: I understand wanting keep things neat and tidy, but the story i just posted was about San Fran's reparations board proposal.

This is separate and apart from and I'm assuming in addition to, the state wide $1 million dollar proposal.

So far, if the proposals go hand in hand, blacks in San Francisco stand to get $6 million in cash, a lifetime UBI of $97,000, complete mortgage absolution and total personal and college debt forgiveness.

I merged the threads (four of them, so far!) because, while they may differ in some particulars (e.g., one regards California state, while another regards the city of San Francisco), those differences are relatively minor and less important compared to their much more significant similarities [1].

Whatever anyone might have to say about one of them is quite apt to be every bit as relevant to the others as well (and vice versa), so there doesn't really seem to be a good reason to keep them in separate "stovepipes". Also, putting them together produces several "meta" advantages - such as providing a timeline for how the issue (and the dollar figures) evolves and metastasizes, or giving the opportunity for readers to become aware of previous items they might have missed before.

An appropriate thread title change is certainly called for, though (and I should have thought of that earlier).



[1] That's why I posted the earlier story about proposed reparations in Boston to the same thread as the OP instead of starting a new one (and the article about Boston even makes explicit reference to the California story. precisely because they're so closely related).

[Anti Federalist]

I merged the threads (four of them, so far!) because, while they may differ in some particulars (e.g., one regards California state, while another regards the city of San Francisco), those differences are relatively minor and less important compared to their much more significant similarities [1].

Whatever anyone might have to say about one of them is quite apt to be every bit as relevant to the others as well (and vice versa), so there doesn't really seem to be a good reason to keep them in separate "stovepipes". Also, putting them together produces several "meta" advantages - such as providing a timeline for how the issue (and the dollar figures) evolves and metastasizes, or giving the opportunity for readers to become aware of previous items they might have missed before.

An appropriate thread title change is certainly called for, though (and I should have thought of that earlier).



[1] That's why I posted the earlier story about proposed reparations in Boston to the same thread as the OP instead of starting a new one (and the article about Boston even makes explicit reference to the California story. precisely because they're so closely related).

No problem at all, just wanted to mention that and make sure it was clear that these are two separate reparation proposals being considered.

[Brian4Liberty]

Happy to see this.
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San Francisco's reparations committee proposes $5M payout to every longtime black resident, debt forgiveness and $97,000 guaranteed income that would cost city $50bn

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-resident.html

San Francisco's reparations committee proposed individual $5million payments
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Brilliant! I have long said that if the government just gave everyone a million dollars, everyone would be rich! They probably had to go to five million because greedy capitalists keep raising prices.

[Anti Federalist]

Brilliant! I have long said that if the government just gave everyone a million dollars, everyone would be rich! They probably had to go to five million because greedy capitalists keep raising prices.

Penny pinching piker.

Make everybody as rich as Musk and Gates and Bezos.

Nothing to it.

[Pauls' Revere]

https://twitter.com/AuronMacintyre/s...91904679518208

In short, Government decides who wins and who loses.

[Anti Federalist]

San Francisco debates reparations for Blacks: Is $5 million each enough?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/sa...gh/ar-AA17Z2qt

Story by Emmanuel Felton 27 Feb 2023

Tasked with calculating how much San Francisco should pay its Black residents for decades of discrimination, a government-appointed panel didn’t develop a mathematic formula. Instead, over the last year and a half, its 15 members have been studying the city’s history.

In the 1960s, city leaders demolished part of the Fillmore District, a neighborhood once known as the Harlem of the West, displacing 883 businesses and 20,000 people, most of them Black. Decades later, thousands of people remain displaced and the neighborhood has turned into a predominantly White enclave of multimillion dollar homes.

To compensate for that and other instances of racial discrimination, the city’s African American Reparations Advisory Committee recently recommended that qualifying Black residents receive $5 million each in reparations.

“There wasn’t a math formula,” said Eric McDonnell, chair of the reparations committee and the principal of Peacock Partnerships, a San Francisco-based consulting firm. “It was a journey for the committee towards what could represent a significant enough investment in families to put them on this path to economic well-being, growth and vitality that chattel slavery and all the policies that flowed from it destroyed.”

The proposed reparations program is not a recompense for slavery, which was never legal in San Francisco, but instead, the committee’s report says, for “the public policies explicitly created to subjugate Black people in San Francisco by upholding and expanding the intent and legacy of chattel slavery.”

Across the country, more than a dozen cities and states have begun developing reparations programs, attempting to quantify the financial damage brought by slavery and decades of Jim Crow laws. Some proposals envision offering scholarships, or housing vouchers, while others call for Black Americans to receive cash payments.

But many are still struggling to with one central question: How much?

Finding a price tag big enough to satisfy reparations advocates and politically palatable to the White voters and Republicans polls have shown largely oppose financial restitution for Black Americans, could determine the fate of a movement that gained momentum after George Floyd’s 2020 murder but has yet to find national acceptance.

San Francisco’s $5 million proposal, multitudes larger than amounts being discussed in other communities has drawn intense backlash from conservatives who lambaste the idea as financially ruinous for a city with an annual budget of $14 billion that is still recovering economically from the pandemic. The proposal doesn’t explain who would qualify, but if even a fraction of the city’s 50,000 Black residents met the criteria, it would consume a huge amount of its annual budget.

John Dennis, chairman of the San Francisco Republican Party, says that he’s open to a conversation about whether Black residents should receive reparations but that the proposal wasn’t a serious effort to start one.

“This is just a bunch of like-minded people who got in the room and came up with a number,” he said. “You’ll notice in that report, there was no justification for the number, no analysis provided. This was an opportunity to do some serious work and they blew it.”

Even some within the reparations movement have dismissed the figure as unrealistic.

There are no widely accepted formulas for paying reparations, said William A. Darity Jr., an economist who has been advocating for reparations for decades, but the number should be “somewhat realistic.”

“Calling for $5 million payout by a local government undercuts the credibility of the reparations effort,” said Darity.

But supporters of the proposal say it’s justified, noting that the city’s Black residents have a median income of about $44,000 compared with $85,000 for Latinos, $105,000 for Asians and $113,000 for White residents, according to 2021 census data.

The scale of the payment should be weighed against San Francisco’s history of racist policies, including enforcing housing and school segregation, said Sheryl Evans Davis, the executive director of the San Francisco Human Rights Commission, which provided research support to the reparations committee. The city also has one of the highest costs of living in the country with a median home price of $1.3 million, she said.

How San Francisco settles the debate could reverberate throughout the reparations movement, setting a high water mark for an effort that has been criticized for, so far, producing small sums.

In Evanston, a Chicago suburb credited with having America’s first government-funded reparations program, the city is offering some Black residents a $25,000 housing voucher, a figure critics have called paltry. Providence, R. I. has announced a $10 million reparations program, but it doesn’t include any direct cash payments to Black residents — and White residents can also apply.

Meanwhile, Darity, the economist, says Black Americans should receive at least $350,000 each in a federal reparations program, a figure based on his calculation of the country’s racial wealth gap.

“We see the racial wealth gap as this core indicator of the cumulative effects over time of White racism and White supremacy on living Black Americans whose ancestors were enslaved here,” said Darity, a public policy professor at Duke University.

California has established a separate state reparations task force and asked a team of five economists to quantify the cost of discrimination that the state’s Black population has faced. The team calculated California’s maximum liability for discriminatory housing policies between 1933 and 1977 and settled on a figure of $569 billion. That would work out to $223,239 for every Black California resident.

The committee’s final report, which would take into account other forms of discrimination, is scheduled to be released in June. It’s separate from the local reparations efforts that have sprung up in Oakland, Los Angeles and Sacramento, which are developing their own approaches.

“People think there is a one-size-fits-all model” for reparations, said Kaycea Campbell, one of the economists advising California’s reparations task force. “But your perception of reparations could be very different based on what you think can get passed from a legislative point of view, what you think is most egregious, or what you think has been left as the residue of slavery as an institution.”

Japanese Americans who survived internment camps during World War II faced similar challenges when they began calling for reparations in the 1970s. There was tension over the best way to provide enough to fully account for the harm done to the Japanese community and finding a figure that would gather enough political support, said Donald K. Tamaki, an attorney who worked on the Supreme Court case that paved the way for reparations for Japanese Americans.

Compensating thousands of victims for years of imprisonment, the value of businesses and homes lost and the lives of people who were killed in the camps would have reached billions of dollars, said Tamaki.

Eventually, President Ronald Reagan signed legislation in 1988 to make $20,000 reparations payments to more than 80,000 Japanese Americans. It was a figure that was affordable and politically palatable, Tamaki said, but not one based on the economic calculations of the harm done to their community.

“Our strategists decided to go for a number which was large enough to make the apology meaningful as atonement,” Tamaki said. “But it was not reparations in terms of, ‘Here is the value of what was taken away from you.’”

But those negotiations are not a fair model for reparations for Black Americans, he said. “There’s no equivalent between four years in a concentration camp and centuries of enslavement and then years of racial terror and exclusion,” said Tamaki, who serves on California’s reparations task force.

The debate has roiled local leaders in San Francisco, a liberal city where 85 percent of voters sided with President Biden.

Since the draft report’s release in December, the reparations committee has been inundated with hate mail, including emails and voice messages using explicit and racist language. Shamann Walton, the board member who authored the legislation creating the reparations panel, said in a recent Facebook post that members of his office, even interns, had received “threatening messages and some are fearful for their own lives.”

San Francisco’s Board of Supervisors is expected to vote on the committee’s recommendations later this year after a final report is released in June.

It was the committee’s responsibility to advocate for the best deal possible for Black residents, said Brittni Chicuata, director of economic rights at the San Francisco Human Rights Commission. It is up to elected officials to decide what the city could afford, she said.

“People propose policies all the time when they don’t necessarily know where the money is going to come from, since when is that a requisite for advocacy,” Chicuata said.

Despite the onslaught of criticism, some members of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors say they stand behind the committee’s work.

“I think that the people who are so focused on the dollar amount are really just attempting to undermine reparations for Black people,” said Walton, the board’s only Black member. “People are going to have to get comfortable with the fact that to do reparations there’s going to be some costs and figuring out how to achieve that is where the real work happens.”

The city can lead on the issue of reparations as it has done on other progressive issues, said Supervisor Dean Preston, who said while the $5 million figure accurately reflects the harm done to Black residents, he isn’t sure the city can afford it. “Honestly, half the things my office works on, people will say it’s impractical, it’s pie in the sky,” said Preston.

But some board members have already voiced opposition to the proposed $5 million payments. “I wish we had this kind of money in San Francisco’s general fund, but if we want to maintain the services that exist today, we do not,” Supervisor Hillary Ronen told the San Francisco Chronicle. Ronen did not respond to requests for an interview.

Despite being home to Silicon Valley’s tech billionaires, San Francisco faces a $728 million budget deficit over the next two years.

And even some reparations committee members are critical of the proposal. It distracts from the report’s other recommendations, said Amos Brown, a member of both San Francisco’s and the state’s reparations task forces.

“You can’t put a dollar tag on the horrifying and hellish evil that our ancestors went through,” said Brown, who has been the pastor of San Francisco’s Third Baptist Church since 1976. “But what you can do is implement simple, practical programs that will deal with our health challenges, our educational needs, our economic needs and creating spaces for us to connect as a community for our cultural needs.”

[cjm]

With all the horrible things done by the city to blacks over the years, maybe disbanding the government should be part of any reparations scenario.

[Anti Globalist]

No. They'll burn through all that money quickly and demand they'll need $10 million.

[69360]

I obvoiusly would oppose this. But if the California liberals actually do it there needs to be an educational component to it so the money is properly invested to benefit future generations or the recipients will be right back where they were in a few years. You can't just hand poor inner city residents millions and expect it to end well, hood rich is a real thing.

[TheTexan]

financially ruinous for a city

Good. Do it

[Voluntarist]

San Francisco debates reparations for Blacks: Is $5 million each enough?

I've been expecting to see the following posted here for the last week or so, but it hasn't been - so this seems like an appropriate thread to post it in. It shows one of the practical problems with reparations: should a black person with slave-owning ancestors be eligible to receive reparations? Note that Angela Davis is a reparations advocate.

Black Panther communist Angela Davis - who teaches that U.S. was built by racist colonizers - faces calls to pay reparations after genealogy show reveals her white puritan ancestor arrived in America on the Mayflower

A famed Black Panther who's also a communist has faced calls to pay reparations after discovering her ancestors were white puritans who arrived in the US on the Mayflower.

Angela Davis, 79, was flabbergasted to discover both sides of her family were white, and that her mom's ancestors were slave owners, on PBS show Finding Your Roots.

And the stunning revelations sparked calls for the famously woke Marxist University of California professor to herself pay reparations, having previously called on whites to pony-up in the past.

Sharing a tweet about the show, conservative pundit Matt Walsh wrote: 'It gets better. She's also descended from a slave owner. On her father's side is a pilgrim. On her mother's side is a slave owner. Looks like Angela Davis owes some reparations.'

Another Twitter user called AK Kamara wrote: 'Angela Davis, the radical Marxist and former black panther, recently discovered she is also the ancestor of colonizers and slave owners. I guess she owes herself reparations. This timeline is hilarious.'

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

City and State should vote in and do what they think appropriate with their own local funding.

[Brian4Liberty]

I obvoiusly would oppose this. But if the California liberals actually do it there needs to be an educational component to it so the money is properly invested to benefit future generations or the recipients will be right back where they were in a few years. You can't just hand poor inner city residents millions and expect it to end well, hood rich is a real thing.

I'm sure there will be "guardrails", safeguards and guidelines so that the money will only be redistributed to deserving and qualifying people, and be put to the best possible use. What could possibly go wrong?

[Brian4Liberty]

No. They'll burn through all that money quickly and demand they'll need $10 million.

A million dollars doesn't go as far as it used to. I'm thinking one billion dollars per person, so that they can be billionaires.

[jbnevin]

[A Son of Liberty]

Good. Do it

SURVEY SAYS... *points at the big board, answer number 1* YESSSSS!!!!

Do it, and do it now.

[Occam's Banana]

I obvoiusly would oppose this. But if the California liberals actually do it there needs to be an educational component to it so the money is properly invested to benefit future generations or the recipients will be right back where they were in a few years. You can't just hand poor inner city residents millions and expect it to end well, hood rich is a real thing.

Dear Sir and/or Madam:

Only the vilest of racists would presume that recipients of reparations would need to have the responsible stewardship of money "whitesplained" to them. You are obviously just plotting and scheming to divert that money back into the hands of the wealthy white people who run investment firms and the like. But thanks for exposing yourself as a raving bigot. Now that we know what you are, we can reflexively dismiss any future suggestions by you without the bother of considering (or even reading) them first.

Sincerely yours,
California Liberals

[69360]

Dear Sir and/or Madam:

Only the vilest of racists would presume that recipients of reparations would need to have the responsible stewardship of money "whitesplained" to them. You are obviously just plotting and scheming to divert that money back into the hands of the wealthy white people who run investment firms and the like. But thanks for exposing yourself as a raving bigot. Now that we know what you are, we can reflexively dismiss any future suggestions by you without the bother of considering (or even reading) them first.

Sincerely yours,
California Liberals

In all fairness if you handed a bunch of hillbillys millions, the results would be the same.

[Brian4Liberty]

In all fairness if you handed a bunch of hillbillys millions, the results would be the same.

In all fairness, there are people who can handle money in any group, except for one. Poor and heavily indebted people are that way for a reason. They can not manage money. It seems to be an intrinsic personality trait, although it is most likely a combination of nature and nurture. The case could be made that growing up in the depression made the majority of people of that time much less frivolous with money. Likewise, the spoiled generations of today are far more frivolous.

[69360]

In all fairness, there are people who can handle money in any group, except for one. Poor and heavily indebted people are that way for a reason. They can not manage money. It seems to be an intrinsic personality trait, although it is most likely a combination of nature and nurture. The case could be made that growing up in the depression made the majority of people of that time much less frivolous with money. Likewise, the spoiled generations of today are far more frivolous.

This is what happens when generations of people are suported by the government. They can't break the cycle no matter how much cash you give them.

[Occam's Banana]

In all fairness if you handed a bunch of hillbillys millions, the results would be the same.

Well, then, I guess "Californy is the place [they] oughtta be" ....

[Brian4Liberty]

This is what happens when generations of people are suported by the government. They can't break the cycle no matter how much cash you give them.

To be clear, the one group that can’t manage money are people who have no money right now. They have already demonstrated that they can’t save money, and it’s because they spend frivolously. It’s a separate issue from govt dependency.

It’s on display in polls where people have no money in savings for an emergency. These people can have jobs, and cars (with lease or loan), rented homes and take extravagant vacations multiple times a year. But they live paycheck to paycheck, and max out credit cards. They can not manage money, and if given $5 million, they would be right back at paycheck to paycheck very quickly.

[Occam's Banana]

San Fransisco Pushes $5 Million Reparations Scam
In this video I discuss the insane proposal out of San Fransisco to give 1 time payments of $5 million, forgive all debts, guarantee a $97k income for the next 250 years & guarantee a house in San Fransisco for $1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAOrLAOHoXk

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

I know nothing about the proposal but, if word gets out that California, LA, SF, are giving 5 million to each and every person of color, I would anticipate that in no time California will be a state with lots of color.

Heck they might even create a new TV series, The Beverly Colorbillies.

[Voluntarist]

From people who never owned slaves, to people who never were slaves, in a state that never allowed slaves.

[Occam's Banana]

https://twitter.com/KQED/status/1641191020669853698

[Voluntarist]

On its first try, the 13th amendment passed the Senate on April 8, 1864 by a vote of 38 to 6; but then failed in two test votes in the House of Representatives (during the prime session that ended on July 4, 1864). It wasn't until the lame duck session that the House passed the amendment on January 31, 1865 by a vote of 119 to 56 (not quite sure how, since the House in the 38th Congress had 184 Representatives, and 2/3 of that would be 122). It then went on to be ratified by the required 27 of the then 36 states on December 6, 1865, and proclaimed on December 18, 1865.

If reparations were to have been paid, then that's when they should have done so. Do you suppose the 13th Amendment would have been passed if ANY reparations had been proposed, much less ones the size of those being proposed by San Francisco, Los Angeles, and California? Hell, do you think the amendment would have passed if those at the time thought that reparations would be proposed 150 years down the line?

[Anti Federalist]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1646997115334275072