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    California looks to ban all gas and diesel trucks by 2045

    California looks to ban all gas and diesel truck fleets

    https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/artic...n-17604361.php

    Andrew Chamings SFGATE

    Nov. 22, 2022

    A controversial new proposal to ban diesel-powered trucks in California has sparked a divisive debate among the trucking industry, the state and environmentalists.

    The California Air Resources Board has laid out an ambitious plan to eventually force all diesel truck fleets off the road, with varying timelines. This includes mandating that all new trucks operating around busy railways and ports be zero-emission vehicles by 2024; phasing out all diesel trucks from those areas by 2035; and eventually taking every diesel truck and bus fleet off California roads by 2045, where feasible.

    The proposed Advance Clean Fleets regulation first targets the busiest trucking areas in the state — around warehouses, sea ports and railways. The board says the pollution in these areas affects communities disproportionately.

    "Many California neighborhoods, especially Black and Brown, low-income and vulnerable communities, live, work, play and attend schools adjacent to the ports, railyards, distribution centers, and freight corridors and experience the heaviest truck traffic," the board wrote, adding that this pollution causes health risks to those communities.

    At a recent hearing on the issue in Sacramento, over 150 public commenters voiced divisive opinions on the proposal.

    Many representing the trucking and construction industries said that there simply isn't enough charging capability or grid capacity in the state to move fleets over to zero-emission vehicles so quickly. (The shift away from internal combustion engines in big rigs has largely moved to battery-powered vehicles, though hydrogen fuel cell technology is also being developed.)

    "The infrastructure cannot be established in the timeframe given," said Mike Tunnell of the American Trucking Association. "Fleets will have to deploy trucks that cannot do the same job as their current trucks."

    Others pointed to logistical problems in charging electric vehicles.

    "This will do damage to us. We don't really understand how to charge these vehicles," said construction company CEO Jaimie Angus. "Those pieces of equipment go home with those men every day, so they'll need to be charged from home? How do you compensate that person for that?"

    Meanwhile, environmentalists, including a representative from the Sierra Club, urged that the timeline be expedited to rid the roads of internal combustion engines sooner rather than later.

    Currently, fewer than 2,000 medium- and heavy-duty vehicles in California are zero-emission, and the vast majority of them are buses, reports Cal Matters.

    California is at the forefront of the shift away from fossil fuels to reduce the devastating effects of climate change. In August, the state made the historic decision to ban the sale of new gasoline-powered cars by 2035, a move that is expected to lead to a 50% reduction in pollution from cars by 2040. Meanwhile, many cities in wildfire-threatened wine country have banned the construction of new gas stations.

    Cal Matters reports that a second hearing and vote on the Advanced Clean Fleets proposal will likely take place in the spring.
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    to reduce the devastating effects of climate change.
    FFS. These people have swallowed their own propaganda for so long, reality is meaningless to them.


    I'm seriously considering leaving the energy industry - the entire policy landscape is run by idiotic ideologues. I used to enjoy embarrassing them in front of their peers, but it's not even fun anymore. It's just a pointless endeavor where they say stupid $#@!, I call them out, they get red-faced, then try to better craft their messaging for next time.


    ETA: Did a little more thinking on this one. It's like speaking to a cult. How long does that sound like fun?
    Last edited by CaptUSA; 11-23-2022 at 11:11 PM.
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    Yet there will still be idiots that will continue to live in Commiefornia.
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    (ETA: LOL ASoL beat me to it)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    FFS. These people have swallowed their own propaganda for so long, reality is meaningless to them.


    I'm seriously considering leaving the energy industry - the entire policy landscape is run by idiotic ideologues. I used to enjoy embarrassing them in front of their peers, but it's not even fun anymore. It's just a pointless endeavor where they say stupid $#@!, I call them out, they get red-faced, then try to better craft their messaging for next time.


    ETA: Did a little more thinking on this one. It's like speaking to a cult. How long does that sound like fun?
    That's what I did.

    When the president of the United States says I should be bankrupted and prosecuted for providing the commodity of modern life and keeps his dumb ass warm and fed. well, $#@! them. I'll never lift another finger to drill a drop of oil.
    "Truly, whoever can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    FFS. These people have swallowed their own propaganda for so long, reality is meaningless to them.


    I'm seriously considering leaving the energy industry - the entire policy landscape is run by idiotic ideologues. I used to enjoy embarrassing them in front of their peers, but it's not even fun anymore. It's just a pointless endeavor where they say stupid $#@!, I call them out, they get red-faced, then try to better craft their messaging for next time.


    ETA: Did a little more thinking on this one. It's like speaking to a cult. How long does that sound like fun?
    The indoctrination is deep just like Yuri Bezmenov said. We all have to figure out our escape plans, and have a couple contingencies.

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    If by chance, there even is a 2045 for the US, you will see Kalifornia staying green by importing electricity produced from coal from Mexico.



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    "Many California neighborhoods, especially Black and Brown, low-income and vulnerable communities,
    I’m sure that was what people were concerned about when pollution and smog were bad in California.

    Now that the air is relatively clean, these agencies run around looking for something unnecessary to justify their existence. Apparently they are now the “The California Air Resources And Social Justice Board”.

    This is not new. They are using this as justification to do all kinds of things, like shutting down smaller airports because the nearby neighborhoods tend to have “brown” people, and it’s not fair.
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    The rest of the country just laughs at California becasue we know this stupid $#@! won't work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    The rest of the country just laughs at California becasue we know this stupid $#@! won't work.
    The fedgov tends to mimic California.

    When they pass a national fatwa, what does Florida do then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    The fedgov tends to mimic California.

    When they pass a national fatwa, what does Florida do then?

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    Looks like this latest act of tyranny broke the camel's back.

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    Always the wrong way.

    I like Electric,,but don't want it Forced.. I want it to displace with grace..and win on it's own merits..

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    California just loves to break the rules by going full retard.
    Do something Danke



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