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  1. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    That's the story of 2016 - in the early states, Trump was getting something like 1/3rd of the primary vote but there were so many nearly-identical clowns in the clown car that nobody could match him.
    It's so rarely that I see you make a positive assertion, rather than just flinging drive-by snark, that I honestly hate to contradict you. But in fact, Trump was getting some seven or eight percent in early states. Which, as you say, with seventeen candidates in the race was enough to allow the MSM to trumpet loudly 24/7 that he was the front-runner.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 11-17-2022 at 01:19 PM.
    "Trump was just a chuckle-headed sucker" is not an effective sales pitch.



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  3. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    It's so rarely that I see you make a positive assertion, rather than just flinging drive-by snark, that I honestly hate to contradict you. But in fact, Trump was getting some seven or eight percent in early states. Which, as you say, with seventeen candidates in the race was enough to allow the MSM to trumpet loudly 24/7 that he was the front-runner.
    Here's February for Trump:

    Iowa: 24%
    NH: 35%
    SC: 33%
    NV: 46%


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Result...tial_primaries
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

  4. #93
    I stand corrected. I guess I was remembering pre-Iowa polls, I'm not sure.

    It's interesting to note that he mostly got the red vote in blue states. If it had been up to actual Republican states, Cruz would have gotten the nomination.
    "Trump was just a chuckle-headed sucker" is not an effective sales pitch.

  5. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt4Liberty View Post
    Romney is about as bad as it gets in American politics. He's a uniparty neocon that has never seen a socialist policy he didn't love. He didn't stand up for anything other than leftism. Politicians like Romney and McCain are exactly who are referred to when the uniparty is mentioned. In his corporate life, he also bought out successful companies, raided both their cash and the pension funds and then let them go bankrupt. All using federal reserve sponsored leveraged buyouts.
    Even if you are right and you may well be, Romney and McCain are still not as bad as bad as Trump.

  6. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    How is it that hand counts come out with the same number as the flipped vote counts?
    Never Happened.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

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    It's all about Freedom

  7. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Even if you are right and you may well be, Romney and McCain are still not as bad as bad as Trump.
    LOL,,

    and your Credibility=0

    just another progressive Leftist..
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom



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  9. #97
    No one but Paul. Never Trump. NOBPNT!
    * See my visitor message area for caveats related to my posting history here.
    * Also, I have effectively retired from all social media including posting here and are basically opting out of anything to do with national politics or this country on federal or state level and rather focusing locally. I may stop by from time to time to discuss philosophy on a general level related to Libertarian schools of thought and application in the real world.

  10. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Never Happened.
    Sure.

    Obviously there just weren't enough Ninjas in 2020.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

  11. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Even if you are right and you may well be, Romney and McCain are still not as bad as bad as Trump.
    Is there a succinct reason for holding that opinion? If nothing else, Trump's war against the media would be enough to favor him over those two (some of the worst examples the GOP has to offer), not to mention no new wars during Trump's term. The tax cut also saved me a few thousand dollars, contrary to propaganda.
    "I shall bring justice to Westeros. Every man shall reap what he has sown, from the highest lord to the lowest gutter rat. They have made my kingdom bleed, and I do not forget that."
    -Stannis Baratheon

  12. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    I'd vote for Romney or Pence now. Last time I was so pissed off, I voted LP instead of Romney. But I've changed my mind and would go for Romney if he was to run again. Pence too, I'm not the biggest fan, but I respect he had the balls to stand up to Trump in the end.
    If Sean "Actual Justice Warrior" Fitzgerald is right, you're going to get the chance to do that.

    Starts at 17:05.

    Mitt Romney's Plot For 2024
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9UsTLgpEvI
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 11-18-2022 at 03:00 PM. Reason: video title was changed at source

  13. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm View Post
    Is there a succinct reason for holding that opinion? If nothing else, Trump's war against the media would be enough to favor him over those two (some of the worst examples the GOP has to offer), not to mention no new wars during Trump's term. The tax cut also saved me a few thousand dollars, contrary to propaganda.
    You are talking to folks who actually still believe the media. Good luck.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  14. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    You are talking to folks who actually still believe the media. Good luck.
    I'd be interested to see some evidence that the account with the handle "69360" belongs to two or more "folks". I also don't know if it's naivete or hubris that leads you to believe that someone could arrive at a different opinion than yours without believing in the credibility of "the media".
    "Trump was just a chuckle-headed sucker" is not an effective sales pitch.

  15. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    I'd be interested to see some evidence that the account with the handle "69360" belongs to two or more "folks". I also don't know if it's naivete or hubris that leads you to believe that someone could arrive at a different opinion than yours without believing in the credibility of "the media".
    A different opinion on what? Romney and McCain being better than Trump? Sorry. No.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  16. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    A different opinion on what? Romney and McCain being better than Trump? Sorry. No.
    Neither ever conspired with Nancy Pelosi to suspend the Constitution, and neither ever succeeded in giving billions to Big Pharma to develop demonstrably dangerous mRNA pathogens, to the best of my knowledge. Furthermore, if the only good politian is a dead politician, McCain is clearly the best of the three--a line of thought no one ever learned from the MSM.

    So sorry, no what? No way to arrive at either of those conclusions without blind faith in the MSM? The MSM is willing to admit neither fact about Trump. Which is something they have in common not with 69360, but with you.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 11-18-2022 at 03:18 PM.
    "Trump was just a chuckle-headed sucker" is not an effective sales pitch.



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  18. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    If Sean "Actual Justice Warrior" Fitzgerald is right, you're going to get the chance to do that.

    Starts at 17:05.

    Trump Announces GOP Plots To Bring Back Romney
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9UsTLgpEvI
    Last edited by ClaytonB; 11-18-2022 at 02:52 PM.
    The Kingdom of God has come upon you. -- Matthew 12:28

  19. #106
    Donald Trump Returns I Part Of The Problem 931
    On this episode of Part Of The Problem Dave and Robbie take a look at the events surrounding the recent Ukrainian missile that strayed into Poland and almost started World War III. They also discuss the announcement by former President, Donald Trump, his chances of winning, and what that means for the upcoming Presidential election.
    https://rumble.com/v1vmmkv-donald-tr...oblem-931.html
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 12-02-2022 at 02:45 AM. Reason: replace YouTube with Rumble

  20. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by unknown View Post
    I like that Trump tried to stop illegal immigration.

    He enacted more anti-2A laws, making it illegal to own a bump stock.

    What else did he do from a libertarian or even a conservative perspective?

    What a wasted Presidency.
    He got us out of the TPP and Paris Climate Accord for that time. He didn't start any new wars and yes, I am more than aware of what he was attempting to do in Venezuela. Flat out broke his promise of not trying to overthrow other govs and putting in a puppet. He got other countries to pay more for the POS international orgs we are in. He allowed our own oil companies to drill, etc.

    He was being investigated almost from the git-go. Not sure how you think he was going to perform miracles. And no, I'm not cutting him slack for the crap things that he did. But, you asked a question.
    Last edited by LibertyEagle; 11-18-2022 at 05:54 PM.
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  21. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm View Post
    Is there a succinct reason for holding that opinion? If nothing else, Trump's war against the media would be enough to favor him over those two (some of the worst examples the GOP has to offer), not to mention no new wars during Trump's term. The tax cut also saved me a few thousand dollars, contrary to propaganda.
    I find him crude, morally corrupt and personally repulsive. He sunk our country to a new low, it's embarrasing. From a pure policy standpoint, sure a lot of what he did was ok.


    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    If Sean "Actual Justice Warrior" Fitzgerald is right, you're going to get the chance to do that.

    Starts at 17:05.

    Mitt Romney's Plot For 2024
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9UsTLgpEvI
    I hope not, I think we could do better, I think DeSantis would beat Biden. But if that is what happens, I suppose I would vote for him.

  22. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    I find him crude, morally corrupt and personally repulsive. He sunk our country to a new low, it's embarrasing. From a pure policy standpoint, sure a lot of what he did was ok.
    Honestly, at the point we are at right now, all I care about are the policies. We are off the cliff and are just waiting to hit bottom. They have most everything in place to take us into full-fledged communism.

    The biggest problem with Trump, as I see it, is that he wouldn't know the Constitution if it hit him up side of the head. And since he doesn't, he has no foundational principles in place.
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  23. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post

    The biggest problem with Trump, as I see it, is that he wouldn't know the Constitution if it hit him up side of the head. And since he doesn't, he has no foundational principles in place.
    Can we be friends again now?
    "Trump was just a chuckle-headed sucker" is not an effective sales pitch.

  24. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Honestly, at the point we are at right now, all I care about are the policies. We are off the cliff and are just waiting to hit bottom. They have most everything in place to take us into full-fledged communism.

    The biggest problem with Trump, as I see it, is that he wouldn't know the Constitution if it hit him up side of the head. And since he doesn't, he has no foundational principles in place.
    Trump's biggest accomplishment may just be his looking into the US/Ukraine corruption. The FTX thing lays it bare... and the Dems impeached him for that! Because they were trying to cover their own asses!

    He may not have principles, but he has some instincts. He doesn't know when to listen to them, but he has them.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  25. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    Best President since Reagan, but even so, I wish there was someone else to pick up the mantle, too much political chaos from Trump. I really don't see the GOP winning over moderates or independents or pulling off the upset win like in 2016.
    The two are not only opposites, but their quotes are often opposites.

    Whereas God really did answer prayers, and Ronald Reagan was elected (by large margins, and really was a Christian, and the left was acting bad back then too), Satan answered Trump's election.

    Baptists shouldn't have kept so quiet about the divorces, he treated his country and party like he did his wives - disposable. Then the Epstein buddy pictures and the Melania lesbian porn. thumbs down all the way.

    The democrats were never really serious about impeaching Trump. They also made up really fake and frivolous charges that no one else would have agreed to. If they had impeached him on something real - like the covid abuses, others might have joined in, and he'd have been convicted. They never did that, because actually Trump was doing exactly what they wanted - including widdling down the senate the whole time.
    Last edited by SpiritOf1776_J4; 11-19-2022 at 12:51 AM.



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  27. #113
    The best way to get rid of Trump before the primaries is social conservatives, and since its obvious he can't win but hopes to deny the republicans wins, that's the best time to do it. A bigger braggart, and total lacking of character discernment (and hiring ability) we've never seen before. That is coming from Trump not having any himself - totally incapably of seeing it and blind.
    Last edited by SpiritOf1776_J4; 11-19-2022 at 12:47 AM.

  28. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by asurfaholic View Post
    I am Meh on the whole trump thing. Heís better than the trash thatís currently there, but I am really hoping for a Rand Paul run for 2024. That would get me excited.
    Quality is the only thing worth fighting for. Also I've liked some of the things DeSantis has done recently, and I've liked reading some of the cases that the texas ag has filed (we badly need justice reform - something Trump not only didn't do, but never got charge of.). I'm sure there are many other good men out there, just not reported in the slimey news.

  29. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    And does that need supplementation? That's the part that I think is most overlooked. Jesus said in Matthew 28:18, "All power in heaven and earth has been given unto me." Is there some additional power that we need to add to "all power"?! I think "all" is pretty sufficient. So, the only question is how we're aligning ourselves, individually and collectively, with the all-sufficient power of the Kingdom of God in Jesus...
    A lot of the fakeness and in the news lately seems to more than just concern trolling and promoting fear, fatalism, etc - it seems to be directed at discouragement to prayer and going to God. The one our foundational document was to, "the supreme judge of the world".

    A lot of the abhorrent laws being made are for the same reason - there's no rational good one. This is spiritual warfare, and from spiritual wickedness in high (spiritual) places. No organization is possible without addressing this. And its addressed by coming to Jesus Christ.

    For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Ephesians 6:12

  30. #116
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    I'd vote for Romney or Pence now. Last time I was so pissed off, I voted LP instead of Romney. But I've changed my mind and would go for Romney if he was to run again. Pence too, I'm not the biggest fan, but I respect he had the balls to stand up to Trump in the end.
    Won't do it. I'm glad I don't vote for mccain or romney and would do it again. If the country is going to burn, it's not going to do it with my help. voting for bad leaders isn't helping. If there is no good leaders, it doesn't help to also make sure there is no remnant apart from them by being eaten by them.

  31. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    I'd vote for Romney or Pence now. Last time I was so pissed off, I voted LP instead of Romney. But I've changed my mind and would go for Romney if he was to run again. Pence too, I'm not the biggest fan, but I respect he had the balls to stand up to Trump in the end.
    Well, then, what on earth are you doing here?
    You've got Sharia patrols in the USA..?

    No, not in America, only in the big cities. there are no americans there, only democrats.

  32. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    I find him crude, morally corrupt and personally repulsive. He sunk our country to a new low, it's embarrasing. From a pure policy standpoint, sure a lot of what he did was ok.
    I guess we dodged a bullet in 2020 then...
    "I shall bring justice to Westeros. Every man shall reap what he has sown, from the highest lord to the lowest gutter rat. They have made my kingdom bleed, and I do not forget that."
    -Stannis Baratheon

  33. #119
    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm View Post
    I guess we dodged a bullet in 2020 then...
    Guess so. Biden's not morally corrupt, personally repulsive or embarrassing at all.

    Seriously, though. I see why they're fixing the nominations of the very, very worst both parties have available. It convinces those who just can't grasp the fact that they're all figureheads a reason to be viscerally involved in these sham elections. But, Jesus, do they have to rub our noses in it so hard?
    "Trump was just a chuckle-headed sucker" is not an effective sales pitch.

  34. #120
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Guess so. Biden's not morally corrupt, personally repulsive or embarrassing at all.

    Seriously, though. I see why they're fixing the nominations of the very, very worst both parties have available. It convinces those who just can't grasp the fact that they're all figureheads a reason to be viscerally involved in these sham elections. But, Jesus, do they have to rub our noses in it so hard?
    Well, at least we'll be able to smell which one's cow dung & which one's horse dung.
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