It would with Hand counted Paper Ballots..Originally Posted by 69360
Hacked Machines will elect a befuddled Pedo,,against the will of the People.
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
If Massie wins the republican nomination, then Trump is gonna miss out on my support, lol. The experiment would work better if the establishment pushes someone like Romney or Pence onto the republican ticket.
This is getting silly.T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato
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^This. People need to be woken up to these facts.
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LOL, ya, if only the mainstream media would report all that. Oh wait, that's exactly what they are reporting.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
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"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Let's have a link to an MSM source reporting exactly that "Don vs Ron sucks the air out of the room away from any other candidates", just as is "engineered and scripted, for the most part, by intel agencies and their associated think tanks". Because I, for one, am very curious to see it.
"Trump was just a chuckle-headed sucker" is not an effective sales pitch.
Yes Biden is a pedo, yes he is not all there mentally. Nobody is debating that. Trump does not have the votes to win a general election no matter what voting method is used or who counts them.
I'd vote for Romney or Pence now. Last time I was so pissed off, I voted LP instead of Romney. But I've changed my mind and would go for Romney if he was to run again. Pence too, I'm not the biggest fan, but I respect he had the balls to stand up to Trump in the end.
Part of Trump's POS MAGA speech:
Full article here:Trump and The War on Drugs
Charles Burris
In his November 15, 2022 announcement statement of his 2024 run for the presidency, Donald Trump focused on many crucial issues and challenges facing the American people. But he chose one specific primary issue that he hoped would emotionally galvanize support for his new electoral effort in the court of public opinion:
I WILL ASK CONGRESS FOR LEGISLATION ENSURING THAT DRUG DEALERS AND HUMAN TRAFFICKERS, THESE ARE TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE HORRIBLE, PEOPLE WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR DEATH, CARNAGE AND CRIME ALL OVER OUR COUNTRY. EVERY DRUG DEALER, DURING HIS OR HER LIFE ON AVERAGE WILL KILL 500 PEOPLE WITH THE DRUGS THEY SELL, NOT TO MENTION THE DESTRUCTION OF FAMILIES. BUT WE’RE GOING TO BE ASKING EVERYONE WHO SELLS DRUGS, GETS CAUGHT, TO RECEIVE THE DEATH PENALTY FOR THEIR HEINOUS ACTS. BECAUSE IT IS THE ONLY WAY. WE DON’T NEED ANY MORE BLUE-RIBBON COMMITTEES. I DON’T LIKE TO SAY THIS. I DON’T EVEN KNOW IF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC IS READY FOR IT. A LOT OF MY PEOPLE SAY, PLEASE DON’T SAY THAT, SIR. THAT’S NOT NICE. THEY KILL 500 PEOPLE EACH ON AVERAGE.
Trump’s powerful impassioned rhetorical statement evoking horrific images of decaying, crime infested, needle-strewn urban areas of homeless encampments and squalor ignores many existential realities and consequences concerning this serious issue:
The global narcotics trade is one the biggest businesses in the world. For centuries it has been fostered and enabled by complicit governments around the world. It is fueled by the intersection of drug money, intelligence and money laundering on a vast scale by banks and financial institutions. Authoritative researchers have connected the dots linking the “underworld” of organized crime (narcotics) to the upper world of the Establishment (Wall Street banks and elite connected corporations/foundations/media). Interwoven within the nexus are the covert intelligence agencies of the deep state.
Those critical concerns were recently expressed by 2022 Libertarian US Senate candidate Robert Murphy:
The Drug War is a Racket, a Charade, a Fiction, designed to rally political support against a mystical threat to civilization in order to justify authoritarian regulation of human behavior. The threat, of course, is the use of drugs, which was said to be a source of all sorts of immoral and criminal activity. When President Nixon declared the War On Drugs in 1971, though, it was for political reasons.
To quote an aide of President Richard M. Nixon, who first declared War On Drugs: “The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.” John Ehrlichman, to Dan Baum for Harper’s Magazine in 1994, about President Richard Nixon’s war on drugs, declared in 1971. It was essentially a continuation of an attack on the freedom of every individual to decide for themselves what to use as medicine.
Legal prohibition of a powerful human desire always leads to corruption, and eventually catastrophe. The lesson was clear in the 1920s, when alcohol was banned, and criminal gangs rose to satisfy demand. It is working in the same way today.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog...-war-on-drugs/
There is no spoon.
you seem like a Romney voter.
the guy had to have Hired supporters. I remember them ditching the Shirts when shift was over.
the crap bastard is responsible for selling out manufacturing in this country.. Put a Lot of Folks out of work..
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Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
You may be right, I don't doubt it. Still better than Trump or Biden.
Romney is a Rockefeller-Republican, just like his Daddy before him. No bueno.
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What if he starts with the CIA?
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
What if pink unicorns start farting flower-scented rainbows?
Yeah, I've noticed him repeating the death-penalty-for-drug-dealers plank in his post-presidency speeches leading up to this. I think that this plank exposes the rotten heart of the GOP quite well. I suppose that there can be good reasons for a crackdown on drugs, alcohol or even loud music. Public order can be disrupted to the point of baiting a social breakdown or mayhem. But evoking imagery of those extreme possibilities and reframing it as typical, smacks of desperation.
The GOP presents itself as the party of faith-and-flag, but how can it be? Jesus taught us to forgive others (yes, unconditionally, see Matt. 18:35), to turn the other cheek even to our enemies, to devote our resources whole-heartedly to the kingdom of God (e.g. "sell all you have, give to the poor, and follow me"), to pull the plank from our own eye, and so on. The Left loves to spit these verses in the face of self-righteous, hypocritical right-wingers and the fact is... they deserve it. In this particular respect, the Left becomes the voice of divine judgment against religious conservatives who are blatantly spitting on the word of God. The idea that you can wrap yourself in the Bible, and then campaign to have people put to death for dealing drugs is bonkers. It's not within a trillion light-years of being anywhere in the vicinity of anything that has to do with what Jesus taught.
Yeah, fine, the civil State keeps public order by God's decree, but that's totally irrelevant to the question of what a party's platform should be, particularly in respect to moral beliefs and orientation. The drug war had its run. It didn't change the world for the better. It took a bad world and turned it into a nightmare world. A party that was truly committed to Christian values and beliefs would orient itself to facilitating the establishment of the kingdom of God on earth, in fullness, and the only way that will happen is when we are aligned with the teachings of Jesus. There will be no kingdom of God on earth but that it is a righteous kingdom. "See, a king will reign in righteousness and rulers will rule with justice." (Isaiah 32:1) Righteousness begins with Me, Myself and I. With few exceptions, the GOP is a party of Pharisees, not repentant sinners.
The GOP can continue to ignore divine warning as they wish, but that is how we end up carried away into Babylonian exile. That is how you ensure that the Globalist Sodom is indeed established worldwide. The only path forward for any of us is repentance and contrition, first for our own sins, and then those of our nation...To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’
“But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
“I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.” (Luke 18:9-14)
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The Kingdom of God has come upon you. -- Matthew 12:28
You may be right. Still better than Trump or Biden.
We're talking about Donald Trump, the guy who had names like Barr, Coates, Haspel and Pompeo in his cabinet, and unless I'm very much mistaken, elevated the Director of Central Intelligence into a cabinet-level office.
What Trump are you talking about? Is this Trump in the room with you now?
"Trump was just a chuckle-headed sucker" is not an effective sales pitch.
When I first heard him propose the death penalty for drug dealers I expected to come here, see a long thread about it and the end of the Trump support here since is so far over the line. I cannot see how any Christian or liberty minded person can support him after these statements. Even if he is just trying to appeal to the police vote, strategically it does not seem to be that significant where you can just write off everyone else.
I agree. +1, out of rep.
Even if he is not elected or elected but could not get it implemented by law, it amps up the actions of the police state. How many in law enforcement agree with this behavior and will use it to justify in their own minds street executions.
The US already has a significant police state problem with police taking matters in their own hands and deciding justice outside the law. Just him floating these things will only make this problem worse with officers exacting the death penalty without due process believing it is a virtue because of the cult of Trump.
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"Trump was just a chuckle-headed sucker" is not an effective sales pitch.
I like that Trump tried to stop illegal immigration.
He enacted more anti-2A laws, making it illegal to own a bump stock.
What else did he do from a libertarian or even a conservative perspective?
What a wasted Presidency.
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"An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.
"To learn who rules over you simply find out who you arent allowed to criticize."
"An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.
"To learn who rules over you simply find out who you arent allowed to criticize."
Trump is the only Republican that will run who has any chance of winning the white working class Rust Belt voters. No one else will win Pennsylvania, Michigan or Wisconsin in 2024.
I said it at the end of 2020 and I'll say it again. Trump was the worst President since Calvin Coolidge, except for all the other Presidents since Calvin Coolidge. I'll vote for him for a third time.
Romney is about as bad as it gets in American politics. He's a uniparty neocon that has never seen a socialist policy he didn't love. He didn't stand up for anything other than leftism. Politicians like Romney and McCain are exactly who are referred to when the uniparty is mentioned. In his corporate life, he also bought out successful companies, raided both their cash and the pension funds and then let them go bankrupt. All using federal reserve sponsored leveraged buyouts.
Romney and a few others like him destroyed the Manufacturing base in this Country..
sold it to Foreign interests at bargain prices.
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
How is it that hand counts come out with the same number as the hacked machine counts?
Who knows. How do pick-pockets do what they do? I suppose there is an entire ocean of technique which can be learned by practicing it. The point of casting paper ballots in-person is that it removes as many vectors of funny-business as possible. Chinese hackers can't hack your county's paper ballots. They might not be able to hack your county's Diebold/Dominion counting machines. But who knows, really. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
As an illustrative example, it might be that you run a computer simulation of the election (this can be done using a technique called "Markov Chain Monte Carlo" or MCMC) and then, during the election, you use the model to calculate a minimal number of interventions that will be required to swing certain key races the "right" way. The idea that this is impossible or the tools/techniques for it don't exist is silly... we know that the CIA actually does this in banana republics. And probably elsewhere. Then, using light-fingered methods, you swap out a key ballot-storage box and adjust the vote-totals in the county's Microsoft Excel spreadsheet. I know, that's super-duper complicated because it's a two-step procedure. It's a miracle what highly-trained intelligence operatives are capable of! Not one, but two steps!
The possibility of such methods can never be completely ruled out. But that's not the point. It's like locking your front door -- the lock doesn't make it "impossible" for someone to break in, it just raises the stakes. They're going to have to make enough ruckus/disturbance that you will be awakened, etc. That's the logic behind paper ballots versus electronic. Anything electronic is susceptible to some clever break, doesn't matter what it is. Ordinary election workers -- people who are not tech-savvy and don't understand digital security (a subtle field of expertise in its own right) -- are very liable to simple digital security breaches. But anyone understands how a physical lock-box works. Anyone understands what it means for ballots to be in this box or that box, but not both. And so on. By reducing the security of the election process to basic physical security, we reduce the need for security-specialists and other experts to handle the logistics of the election, thereby keeping the election truly in the hands of the people as much as possible.
But this is all quite obvious. The real question is this: Why does this even need to be explained?
The Kingdom of God has come upon you. -- Matthew 12:28
They often do not lately..
How does the machine Count votes it spits out?
And what about Vote Flipping by Machines (Known since 2006)
Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
Ron Paul 2004
Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
It's all about Freedom
2020 disagrees
It's a paper ballot.
How is it that hand counts come out with the same number as the flipped vote counts?
Did I already say this?
Oh well, needs to be said again:
Trump will not be able to win the GOP primary.
His ego will propel him to run third party (again? didn't he run as a Reform party candidate once?), thus splitting the vote on the right and ensuring, as much as any of this voting $#@! can be trusted anymore, another four years of OBiden.
People talk about the trans issue because it is a social contagion consuming a generation of children and it is an assault on objective truth at a level never before seen. - Matt Walsh
I would say it depends on how many non-Trump / anti-Trump candidates there are. If they split the non-Trump vote across too many people, then he could win.
That's the story of 2016 - in the early states, Trump was getting something like 1/3rd of the primary vote but there were so many nearly-identical clowns in the clown car that nobody could match him.
I think that if he were to run third party it would be pure grift for the campaign contributions and he wouldn't actually try to get votes. Just like 2022.
They will use the Trump vs Deshamtis rivalry to shut everyone else out of coverage and ultimately primary votes. The plan being for Trump to win the primaries and the #2 primary winner, DeShamtis VP.
If he fails to win the primary, I am going to go with what AF said above. He runs third party and siphons enough Republican votes away to hand the election to the Dems.
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