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    Trump versus DeSantis

    MOD NOTE: Some posts from another thread have been merged into this one. Post #12 below is the original OP of this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    DeSantis/Paul - because two Ron's are better than one.
    DeSanctimonious is being pushed by the Bush wing of the party, no thanks.
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 11-10-2022 at 06:44 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    DeSanctimonious is being pushed by the Bush wing of the party, no thanks.
    Yeah, Trump is quite a douchebag for trying to give DeSantis one of his nicknames.

    What evidence do you have that the Bush wing is pushing DeSantis? And what would that prove other than they still want someone other than Trump?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Yeah, Trump is quite a douchebag for trying to give DeSantis one of his nicknames.

    What evidence do you have that the Bush wing is pushing DeSantis? And what would that prove other than they still want someone other than Trump?
    The same evidence he has that Trump is the Liberty Candidate we all are dreaming for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They are coming home, all the naysayers said they would never leave Syria and then they said they were going to stay in Iraq forever.

    It won't take very long to get them home but it won't be overnight either but Iraq says they can't stay and they are coming home just like Trump said.

    On fighting corruption:
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump had to donate the "right way" and hang out with the "right people" in order to do business in NYC and Hollyweird and in order to investigate and expose them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    The same evidence he has that Trump is the Liberty Candidate we all are dreaming for.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    What evidence do you have...
    You dare question The Gospel According to Saintsmyth?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Yeah, Trump is quite a douchebag for trying to give DeSantis one of his nicknames.

    What evidence do you have that the Bush wing is pushing DeSantis? And what would that prove other than they still want someone other than Trump?
    I don't think Trump has ever failed to attack a Republican that might get a little traction over his limelight. I'm sure he has attacked Paul and Massie before, so DeSantis is in good company.

    And Oz was as much a disaster as thought when Trump interfered in the primary there. If Trump runs in 2024, it won't be to win, it will be to split the vote and try to make the republican candidate lose.
    Last edited by SpiritOf1776_J4; 11-09-2022 at 03:41 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    The same evidence he has that Trump is the Liberty Candidate we all are dreaming for.
    Yes, please give me another 2 week shutdown. I want another!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    DeSanctimonious [...]
    Yeah, Trump is quite a douchebag for trying to give DeSantis one of his nicknames.
    It doesn't even make much sense as a slur.

    Being "sanctimonious" (i.e., hypocritically and/or unctuously pious) is a bad thing.

    So isn't being "de"-sanctimonious is a good thing ... ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    What evidence do you have that the Bush wing is pushing DeSantis? And what would that prove other than they still want someone other than Trump?
    I've seen claims that the DeSantis campaign was supported by a Jeb!-backed PAC, or some such thing.

    I don't know if it's true - or if it is true, how much of what kinds of support was given.

    It wouldn't surprise me, though, for whatever reasons (opposing Trump, buying DeSantis off, etc. - or some combination of those things).

    That's how politics typically "works".
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 11-09-2022 at 07:24 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    DeSanctimonious [...]
    Yeah, Trump is quite a douchebag for trying to give DeSantis one of his nicknames.
    It doesn't even make much sense as a slur.

    Being "sanctimonious" (i.e., hypocritically and/or unctuously pious) is a bad thing.

    So isn't being "de"-sanctimonious is a good thing ... ?

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    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You dare question The Gospel According to Saintsmyth?
    That would be unwise.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Milo completely reamed him in his Timcast irl interview.. Milo lives in Florida and thinks he is a great governor, but brought up all of the stuff about his questionable funding and says he is the type of guy who can easily be bought.

    Milo is back, based as ever...

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    I wish Ron DeSantis could be governor for at least another decade. Florida needs to be come the Republicans California. He is the man to do it. I wish every state has a DeSantis or better for governor.

    That said, I don't trust him in Washington. I never will.

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    DeSantis has been a huge disappointment when he signed the largest single tax hike in Florida's history into law. And so far he has done nothing to fight for the right to keep and bear arms except give lip service; he isn't leading on the issue. I am hoping that changes next session, but I suspect he will accept half-measures.


    DeSantis was also originally bad on COVID actually setting up checkpoints on the highway but then once it was politically safe to do so he began reversing course and doing some good things. But again, only when it was politically safe to do so.
    Regardless of the outcome, not much will change in Florida after Tuesday's election.
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    Judas Goat is a big word. I don't see how he could possibly deserve that moniker yet.

    Let's keep Judas Goat for those who truly deserve the label.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Milo completely reamed him in his Timcast irl interview..

    Milo is back, based as ever...
    So, I typically find Tim grating, but I listened to some of this to give Milo a listen... I've never listened to him before.

    But seriously, after about a 1/2 hour of that, I had to stop. People really find that guy interesting?! Smart?! Is it the accent? Bold statements??

    That guy acts like a self-absorbed moron! Not surprising he idolizes another self-absorbed moron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    So, I typically find Tim grating, but I listened to some of this to give Milo a listen... I've never listened to him before.

    But seriously, after about a 1/2 hour of that, I had to stop. People really find that guy interesting?! Smart?! Is it the accent? Bold statements??

    That guy acts like a self-absorbed moron! Not surprising he idolizes another self-absorbed moron.
    Tim keeps trying to interrupt in the beginning, but Milo is stronger and more charismatic and doesn't let him. That was slightly annoying, but eventually Tim just lets him go on.

    Around 25:00 is about where it starts getting really good. Milo has not had any public interviews or speeches in 5 years, it took a minute for him to get warmed up.

    I don't agree with him on everything, but his point of view is fascinating, I would encourage you to listen to the entire discussion. He casually says "women's suffrage is the original sin" toward the beginning and then just moves on like he said the sky is blue, but later expounds on that at great length. Essentially says women's equality was a demotion for women, but also does a great job explaining how that has shaped our current society.

    If you still don't find it fascinating, then there's always 1:46:00

    Remember, Luke is on there too. Whatever you think, Tim and Luke are really smart guys and they were both just blown away. They do these shows every single night and there hasn't been a timcast quite like this one.
    Last edited by dannno; 11-10-2022 at 11:04 AM.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

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    I've moved some posts from another thread into this one.

    Post #12 above is the original OP of this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    I've moved some posts from another thread into this one.

    Post #12 above is the original OP of this thread.
    How dare you put all the Swordspam in the same can?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    //Trump screed//
    Man, this should go into the Clown Show thread. Wonder if the Trumpers can see the narcissism yet? His ego is really being threatened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Man, this should go into the Clown Show thread. Wonder if the Trumpers can see the narcissism yet? His ego is really being threatened.
    Narcissism? They call that "being alpha".
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

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    Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if DeSantis turned out to be a red herring and a fall guy just like McCain and Romney were to Obama.

    He also comes off as Obama 2.0: A lot of hype but turns out to be complete shi​t.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if DeSantis turned out to be a red herring and a fall guy just like McCain and Romney were to Obama.

    He also comes off as Obama 2.0: A lot of hype but turns out to be complete shi​t.
    Yeah, don't get me wrong... There's a lot not to like with DeSantis. Especially on foreign policy.

    But here you have a loser with a bruised ego going after a winner. If there was one thing Republicans like, it's someone who's seen as a winner. Hell, I'd even go as far to say the establishment set it up for DeSantis to look like the big winner coming out of the midterm... Just to get rid of Trump. But even given that, Trump sounds like the biggest cuck with that release.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    DeSanctimonious is being pushed by the Bush wing of the party, no thanks.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Milo completely reamed him in his Timcast irl interview.. Milo lives in Florida and thinks he is a great governor, but brought up all of the stuff about his questionable funding and says he is the type of guy who can easily be bought.
    Impossible! He must be untouchable! Liberal heads explode over him!



    Surely you two are not telling us those people are merely badmouthing him because that sort of thing makes Republican voters like politicians...

    See? He hasn't forgotten how you all just knew Trump was so incredibly trustworthy. V V

    Quote Originally Posted by susano View Post
    Jeb!'s girl, Anna Navarro, slammed DeSantis, today, claiming he "gamed" the election (by securing it from fraud). Clip was on Tucker Carlson tonight.
    It has been quite a trip from calling me an idiot because I couldn't see CNN heads sploding over Trump to calling Navarro accusing DeSantis of cheating "being pushed by the Bush wing of the party", hasn't it boys?

    So, let's take stock, shall we? 50% of Republican voters still think Trump's the real deal and DeSantis is a Bushie, 50% have eyes to see Trump's actual record, but think DeSantis might do something different, 98% never bothered to pay enough attention to know who Massie is, 100% are played. And the Deep State doesn't give a rat's ass which one wins because they're both completely reliable once you make a big enough campaign contribution. Presto! A GOP so divided against itself it can't even do something about crooked elections.

    100% played, boys. Enjoying it?
    Last edited by acptulsa; 11-10-2022 at 10:44 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

  33. #29
    Other than his pro Israel stance, which sucks, where have to read anything about his positions on foreign policy?

    Jeb!'s girl, Anna Navarro, slammed DeSantis, today, claiming he "gamed" the election (by securing it from fraud). Clip was on Tucker Carlson tonight.
    You've got Sharia patrols in the USA..?

    No, not in America, only in the big cities. there are no americans there, only democrats.

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    As long as Republicans won't vote for someone until CNN does the sploding head act over them, the GOP will remain completely worthless.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 11-10-2022 at 10:57 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

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