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    Biden Announces Mass Marijuana Pardons And Calls For Cannabis Scheduling Review

    Biden Announces Mass Marijuana Pardons And Calls For Cannabis Scheduling Review

    By Kyle Jaeger
    October 6, 2022

    President Joe Biden announced on Thursday that he is taking dramatic steps to change federal marijuana laws and provide relief to drug war victims—an unexpected development that comes less than 40 days before the November election.

    The president is initiating an administrative review of federal marijuana scheduling, and he also said that he will be granting mass pardons for federal cannabis possession convictions while calling on governors to do the same for state-level convictions.



    This is a massive development from the president, who has stayed relatively quiet on cannabis reform since taking office after campaigning on marijuana decriminalization, rescheduling and expungements for low-level cannabis convictions.

    The scheduling review—which would be conducted by the Justice Department and U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)—could fundamentally reshape federal marijuana policy. Biden has faced calls from advocates to use his executive authority to unilaterally initiate that process.

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    read more:
    https://www.marijuanamoment.net/bide...duling-review/



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    How long has he been in government not doing a damn thing about this ?

    Great move but obviously tied to the election.
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    Exclamation Biden to pardon all prior federal offenses of simple marijuana possession

    President Biden said Thursday he will pardon all prior federal offenses of simple marijuana possession and will call on governors to pardon simple state possession offenses.


    Why it matters: It could amount to "thousands" of pardons, which would remove a burden that may have prevented some people from receiving employment, housing or educational opportunities, Biden said.


    Biden said he will also ask Secretary of Health and Human Services Xavier Becerra to begin a review of how marijuana is scheduled as a drug under federal law.

    SOURCE:
    https://www.axios.com/2022/10/06/bid...ana-possession
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    It makes for a nice thought and a good headline but it's just election season political theater, since 99.99% of simple possession convictions are state convictions. Pres pardons do not apply to state convictions and Governors don't have to follow any of that.

    And only Congress can reschedule cannabis since drug scheduling is written into statute.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    It makes for a nice thought and a good headline but it's just election season political theater, since 99.99% of simple possession convictions are state convictions. Pres pardons do not apply to state convictions and Governors don't have to follow any of that.

    And only Congress can reschedule cannabis since drug scheduling is written into statute.
    True on the pardons but the executive branch definitely has the authority to reschedule, as well as Congress.

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    He'll $#@! it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    He'll $#@! it up.
    He'll make it Schedule II probably, which would blow.

    Actually he already said he was going to do that during the campaign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jct74 View Post
    True on the pardons but the executive branch definitely has the authority to reschedule, as well as Congress.
    I'd like to see reference info on executive being able to change scheduling, since scheduling is a federal statute and afaik the executive can't change statute:
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/21/812
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    IIRC, another President (Obama?) had previously undergone this exercise, and found that it applied to around 10 people (Federally).

    It was discussed in this video, no idea where.




    The other unintended consequence that can occur is the real criminals that may be released that have pleaded down to marijuana possession or that was the only crime they could convict on. It was discussed in the above video too, but this goes back to Al Capone. It's far easier for the justice system to convict people on minor technicalities rather than convict them on real and obvious crimes like murder, theft, robbery, gang activities, etc...

    Not really a concern at the Federal level, but a real danger at the state level, similar to the unintended (or perhaps intended) consequences of leftist "reforms" of the past 5 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    I'd like to see reference info on executive being able to change scheduling, since scheduling is a federal statute and afaik the executive can't change statute:
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/21/812
    Here's a pretty good explanation. I guess the president can't do it directly, but the DEA can and the president has strong influence over the DEA.

    https://crsreports.congress.gov/prod...f/LSB/LSB10655

    Either Congress or the executive branch has the authority to change the status of marijuana under the
    CSA. Congress can change the status of a controlled substance through legislation: Congress included
    marijuana in Schedule I by legislation when it enacted the CSA, and has more recently passed legislation
    to impose controls on other substances, including synthetic cannabinoids and fentanyl analogues. In the
    alternative, the CSA empowers DEA to make scheduling decisions through the notice-and-comment
    rulemaking process, in consultation with the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) (HHS has
    delegated its factfinding role in this process to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA)). The CSA
    provision directing DEA to schedule controlled substances as “required by United States obligations
    under international treaties” may limit the agency’s authority to relax controls of marijuana; another CRS
    report discusses considerations for Congress related to marijuana’s status under international drug control
    treaties.

    If the President sought to act in the area of controlled substances regulation, he would likely do so by
    executive order. However, the Supreme Court has held that the President has the power to issue an
    executive order only if authorized by “an act of Congress or . . . the Constitution itself.” The CSA does
    not provide a direct role for the President in the classification of controlled substances, nor does Article II
    of the Constitution grant the President power in this area (federal controlled substances law is an exercise
    of Congress’s power to regulate interstate commerce). Thus, it does not appear that the President could
    directly deschedule or reschedule marijuana by executive order.

    Although the President may not unilaterally deschedule or reschedule a controlled substance, he does
    possess a large degree of indirect influence over scheduling decisions. The President could pursue the
    appointment of agency officials who favor descheduling, or use executive orders to direct DEA, HHS,
    and FDA to consider administrative descheduling of marijuana. The notice-and-comment rulemaking
    process would take time, and would be subject to judicial review if challenged, but could be done
    consistently with the CSA’s procedural requirements. In the alternative, the President could work with
    Congress to pursue descheduling through an amendment to the CSA.
    Last edited by jct74; 10-06-2022 at 03:02 PM.

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    Does this mean they’ll be able to purchase a firearm?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post

    https://twitter.com/AngelaTC/status/1578128772007690272
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    IIRC, another President (Obama?) had previously undergone this exercise, and found that it applied to around 10 people (Federally).

    It was discussed in this video, no idea where.




    The other unintended consequence that can occur is the real criminals that may be released that have pleaded down to marijuana possession or that was the only crime they could convict on. It was discussed in the above video too, but this goes back to Al Capone. It's far easier for the justice system to convict people on minor technicalities rather than convict them on real and obvious crimes like murder, theft, robbery, gang activities, etc...

    Not really a concern at the Federal level, but a real danger at the state level, similar to the unintended (or perhaps intended) consequences of leftist "reforms" of the past 5 years.
    That's what I thought. Hardly anyone is in federal jail for possession. They are in for the violence associated during the weed bust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.



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    Quote Originally Posted by tebowlives View Post
    That's what I thought. Hardly anyone is in federal jail for possession. They are in for the violence associated during the weed bust.
    One is too many!

    "Possession" is subjective like everything else in the "Just-Us" system......5 joints is trafficking and sprouted seedlings count as 2.2 pounds, mere presence of a firearm constitutes "Using and carrying to facilitate drug crimes" which of course negates 'simple possession' because the mere presence of a gun equates to violence.

    You'll not ever hear me side with a drug warrior!
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    Questions to ask about Biden's supposed major marijuana pardons....

    - how many people will actually be let out of jail/prison?

    - does this invalidate the 1994 crime bill he wrote?

    - how many of the 1500 people Kamala Harris sent to prison for substance violations will be set free?

    - does this have any actual change on current federal drug law?

    - why just marijuana? and why just simple possession?

    - and why now? he has been president for 2 years?
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    Quote Originally Posted by luctor-et-emergo View Post
    How long has he been in government not doing a damn thing about this ?

    Great move but obviously tied to the election.
    Do it.

    It won't change any minds.
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    Pretty sure most convictions when it comes to marijuana come directly from the state.
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    This seems like a political poly just before the mid terms for the Liberals.
    Now they are shifting away from the ecmocny outlook to Social Issues..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    IIRC, another President (Obama?) had previously undergone this exercise, and found that it applied to around 10 people (Federally).

    It was discussed in this video, no idea where.




    The other unintended consequence that can occur is the real criminals that may be released that have pleaded down to marijuana possession or that was the only crime they could convict on. It was discussed in the above video too, but this goes back to Al Capone. It's far easier for the justice system to convict people on minor technicalities rather than convict them on real and obvious crimes like murder, theft, robbery, gang activities, etc...

    Not really a concern at the Federal level, but a real danger at the state level, similar to the unintended (or perhaps intended) consequences of leftist "reforms" of the past 5 years.
    They talk about it between 19:50 and 21:50 in the podcast.

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    I smell a rat.

    Think about it, what else has government so quickly and completely reversed itself on like this before?

    Nothing, that I can think of.

    It couldn't be that they want a population of easily controlled stoners, could it?

    Nahhhh, that's crazy conspiracy talk.

    "Truly, whoever can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire



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    So it’s a good move in general for freedom lovers, but we are bitching because it’s “Biden”?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vita3 View Post
    So it’s a good move in general for freedom lovers, but we are bitching because it’s “Biden”?!
    Biden doesn't care about yours or my freedoms. This is just a distraction from the heat being turned on Hunter. Beside a good move for freedom would be to make us energy independent, and not go around begging other nations for oil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I smell a rat.

    Think about it, what else has government so quickly and completely reversed itself on like this before?

    Nothing, that I can think of.
    Afghanistan comes to mind.

    This is an obvious election ploy to generate some enthusiasm in the progressive base. It's a tiny gesture, but something that should have been done long ago. Remember, these people don't give a $#@! about anyone's interests but their own. If they do something, it's because they think they'll benefit somehow. A little move like this could potentially cushion their losses by a close seat or two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vita3 View Post
    So it’s a good move in general for freedom lovers, but we are bitching because it’s “Biden”?!
    I think this is a yes vote...

    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Biden doesn't care about yours or my freedoms. This is just a distraction from the heat being turned on Hunter. Beside a good move for freedom would be to make us energy independent, and not go around begging other nations for oil.
    It certainly is a transparent bit of pandering by the Marxist party. Of course, they couldn't be doing it if the Fascist party had availed themselves of one of their several opportunities to beat them to it.

    No, I'd say that most of us are looking this gift horse in the mouth because of a lifetime of being promised the moon, only to find it's on the outhouse door. You know. Like "scheduling reviews" which are scheduled to recommend no changes during the week before Thanksgiving. Just because they dangle the carrot before our noses doesn't mean we're ever going to taste it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    - does this invalidate the 1994 crime bill he wrote?
    You mean the one that makes the penalties for powder cocaine, preferred by rich people like Hunter Biden, and crack cocaine wildly different? Is marijuana cocaine?
    Last edited by acptulsa; 10-07-2022 at 06:34 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I smell a rat.

    Think about it, what else has government so quickly and completely reversed itself on like this before?

    Nothing, that I can think of.

    It couldn't be that they want a population of easily controlled stoners, could it?

    Nahhhh, that's crazy conspiracy talk.


    It is bit of baseless conspiracy talk in this case, IMO. Nothing's being done quickly at all. Cannabis is still illegal even for medical use at the federal level, even though the vast majority of people have supported legalizing medical going back decades. For example, here's a Gallup poll from 1999 showing 73% support. Federal policy has gotta change eventually with that kind of support, and now, with the scheduling review that Biden has ordered, it probably will. I don't know where the conspiracy is in the government actually doing something that the vast majority of people want. That is how government is supposed to work.... but we are complaining about it now?
    Last edited by jct74; 10-07-2022 at 08:14 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jct74 View Post
    That is how government is supposed to work.... but we are complaining about it now?
    Of course. Because what part of government is working properly right now.

    If government decreed that "the sky is blue" I'd argue, and say it was azure.

    I'm just casting a skeptical eye at this...less than a year ago this government was demanding you take an untested, dangerous "vaccine" or else, for "our health".

    For over a century, "they" would throw you in prison for simple possession of weed.

    Now, almost overnight, they are suddenly passing around the bong?

    Combined with the fact that artificial opioids are killing roughly 100,000 people a year now, the majority of whom "they" would prefer to eliminate anyway.

    Yeah, something's $#@!y...
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