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    Anarchy Means Only No Rule, No Rulers; In Other Words -- Freedom

    By Gary D. Barnett
    October 4, 2022

    “Anarchists did not try to carry out genocide against the Armenians in Turkey; they did not deliberately starve millions of Ukrainians; they did not create a system of death camps to kill Jews, gypsies, and Slavs in Europe; they did not fire-bomb scores of large German and Japanese cities and drop nuclear bombs on two of them; they did not carry out a ‘Great Leap Forward’ that killed scores of millions of Chinese; they did not attempt to kill everybody with any appreciable education in Cambodia; they did not launch one aggressive war after another; they did not implement trade sanctions that killed perhaps 500,000 Iraqi children.

    In debates between anarchists and statists, the burden of proof clearly should rest on those who place their trust in the state. Anarchy’s mayhem is wholly conjectural; the state’s mayhem is undeniably, factually horrendous.”

    ~ Robert Higgs


    Language is of such great importance as to be critical to the survival of mankind. While this may sound exaggerated, it is certainly not. The idea of our language, and the root systems from which our language originated, are not able to be altered at will to suit the state or any other individual or entity attempting to create a position based on the fraudulent restructuring of the meaning of words and phrases for their benefit. This is always and only done, to create confusion or to advance an agenda, and usually both. Anytime the state actors decide to control language in their favor, they are intending to steer mass opinion, and contradiction, hypocrisy, and control are the prevailing result. This has never been more apparent than with the term Anarchy, which is the absolute antithesis of state tyranny.

    Anarchy simply means without rule or without rulers; in other words, people working, living, trading, communicating, traveling, and surviving peacefully without government masters and government rule. This is the only state of being that can bring about absolute freedom of the individual. The completely bastardized and fraudulent meaning that has been effectively changed, promoted, and propagandized by the state, its institutions, its dictionaries, and its media today concerning the word “anarchy,’ has had the effect thorough indoctrination and brainwashing, of appearing to the lowly ‘public’ as the exact opposite of its true meaning. This purposely induced mindset was planned and done for specific reasons, as honest and legitimate anarchists, are the enemy of state power, and therefore considered dangerous; not to the people, but to those wishing to manipulate and control the people. These are the ruling class, their politicians, their enforcers, and all government in general. These are the true and evil enemies of humanity and freedom.

    The state’s new forged and illegitimate ‘definition’ of the word “anarchy,” is meant to hide the truth, confuse, and control the now ignorant collective masses. This fake definition that is used by all mainstream media and government to marginalize all promoters of freedom, is completely contrary to the actual meaning of the word. Anarchy, according to government tyrants, is said to be a state or society without laws in the midst of political and social disorder due to no government ‘control.’ It is said to mean that there is no ‘obedience to authority,’ which is incorrectly stated as insubordination. Words now used to describe or used interchangeably with anarchy are: lawlessness, disruption, turmoil, chaos, turbulence, disorganization, confusion, rioting, rebellion, insurrection, terror, and unrest, to name only some of the incorrect meanings falsely attributed to this grand word. One could accurately use these terms to describe the state itself, and this is the irony of the state’s lies, for whatever the nation-state claims is usually a gross distortion of the truth. In this case, the manipulated and deceitful meaning attributed to anarchy is a perfectly accurate definition of government and the state itself.

    People have been taught (indoctrinated) to beg for their freedom from government agents. This is said to be possible by using a corrupt and worthless voting process to petition those claiming power over you to please allow you to have ‘some’ freedom. Nothing is so pathetic and ludicrous as this state of mind. The very idea that a government must exist and rule over all in order to grant ‘some’ partial freedom to its subjects, is an afront to any intellectual thought or logic concerning liberty. By agreeing to and voluntarily participating in this process, one has already defined himself as a slave.

    Freedom is the natural inclination and right of all men, at least until they lose that natural desire by being brainwashed to believe that their freedom can only come due to the permission of their masters. Constitutions, legislation, and laws handed down from ‘above,’ negate all aspects of freedom, because if any state is said to be necessary in order to be free, then it never existed in the first place. Freedom cannot be given, bestowed, allowed, controlled, restricted, or ordered by any men or government. It can only exist in the mind of the individual, and can only survive if the individual is responsible for himself, and not dependent on being ‘governed.’ This is the exact and true meaning of anarchy; no rule.

    Voluntary cooperation and non-aggression are the only things necessary to attain freedom and peaceful co-existence. Nothing less and nothing more. The state can offer neither, as all government is based on, and is pure force. Restrictive laws, licensing, taxation, welfare through redistribution, mandates, aggression, extortion, war, control, power of one over another, enforcement, and all rule and oppression of any kind are completely antithetical to being free. No one can legitimately authorize any other to grant any right they do not possess, which means that no one has a right to vote to have another rule over anyone. Given this truth, the basis of all government is dependent on this immoral delegation of non-existent and fraudulently claimed ‘rights,’ and therefore, government has no right to exist at all.

    There is no solution to any problem of life or humanity present in any government or governing structure. In fact, the existence of government in and of itself, destroys any ability to live free. The political process then, is anathema to liberty or anything of value. Government and rule are inherently evil, and only spontaneous societal cooperation and non-violence, leaving others to their own desires, will bring about peace and harmony. So long as no force or aggression is used against any other or their property, and willing participation among peoples is evident, a better world is possible. This is the essence of freedom, and the definition of anarchy. No rule and no rulers; a better way forward.

    “To be GOVERNED is to be watched, inspected, spied upon, directed, law-driven, numbered, regulated, enrolled, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, checked, estimated, valued, censured, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right nor the wisdom nor the virtue to do so. To be GOVERNED is to be at every operation, at every transaction noted, registered, counted, taxed, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, authorized, admonished, prevented, forbidden, reformed, corrected, punished. It is, under pretext of public utility, and in the name of the general interest, to be placed under contribution, drilled, fleeced, exploited, monopolized, extorted from, squeezed, hoaxed, robbed; then, at the slightest resistance, the first word of complaint, to be repressed, fined, vilified, harassed, hunted down, abused, clubbed, disarmed, bound, choked, imprisoned, judged, condemned, shot, deported, sacrificed, sold, betrayed; and to crown all, mocked, ridiculed, derided, outraged, dishonored. That is government; that is its justice; that is its morality.”

    ~ Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, General Idea of the Revolution in the Nineteenth Century



    Gary D. Barnett [send him mail] is a retired investment professional that has been writing about freedom and liberty matters, politics, and history for two decades. He is against all war and aggression, and against the state. He recently finished a collaboration with former U.S. Congresswoman, Cynthia McKinney, and was a contributor to her new book, “When China Sneezes” From the Coronavirus Lockdown to the Global Political-Economic Crisis”. Currently, he lives in Montana with his wife and son. Visit his website.

    Previous article by Gary D. Barnett: There Is No Such Thing as Limited Government!


    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/10/...words-freedom/
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer



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    Indeed
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!

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    Hear, hear
    ''There were four million people in the American Colonies and we had Jefferson and Franklin. Now we have over 300 million and the two top guys are Trump and Biden. What can you draw from this? Darwin was wrong.'' ~ Mort Sahl

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    “Anarchists did not try to carry out genocide against the Armenians in Turkey; they did not deliberately starve millions of Ukrainians; they did not create a system of death camps to kill Jews, gypsies, and Slavs in Europe; they did not fire-bomb scores of large German and Japanese cities and drop nuclear bombs on two of them; they did not carry out a ‘Great Leap Forward’ that killed scores of millions of Chinese; they did not attempt to kill everybody with any appreciable education in Cambodia; they did not launch one aggressive war after another; they did not implement trade sanctions that killed perhaps 500,000 Iraqi children.

    In debates between anarchists and statists, the burden of proof clearly should rest on those who place their trust in the state. Anarchy’s mayhem is wholly conjectural; the state’s mayhem is undeniably, factually horrendous.”

    ~ Robert Higgs
    ...

    “To be GOVERNED is to be watched, inspected, spied upon, directed, law-driven, numbered, regulated, enrolled, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, checked, estimated, valued, censured, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right nor the wisdom nor the virtue to do so. To be GOVERNED is to be at every operation, at every transaction noted, registered, counted, taxed, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, authorized, admonished, prevented, forbidden, reformed, corrected, punished. It is, under pretext of public utility, and in the name of the general interest, to be placed under contribution, drilled, fleeced, exploited, monopolized, extorted from, squeezed, hoaxed, robbed; then, at the slightest resistance, the first word of complaint, to be repressed, fined, vilified, harassed, hunted down, abused, clubbed, disarmed, bound, choked, imprisoned, judged, condemned, shot, deported, sacrificed, sold, betrayed; and to crown all, mocked, ridiculed, derided, outraged, dishonored. That is government; that is its justice; that is its morality.”

    ~ Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, General Idea of the Revolution in the Nineteenth Century

    There’s the long and the short of it. But are we even ready to think about it, let alone actually accept it, anymore around here?
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    There’s the long and the short of it. But are we even ready to think about it, let alone actually accept it, anymore around here?
    I've never abandoned it, as a goal for which mankind should strive.

    The day when the state having a monopoly on violence is as repugnant as chattel slavery.

    Anarchists did not try to carry out genocide against the Armenians in Turkey; they did not deliberately starve millions of Ukrainians; they did not create a system of death camps to kill Jews, gypsies, and Slavs in Europe; they did not fire-bomb scores of large German and Japanese cities and drop nuclear bombs on two of them; they did not carry out a ‘Great Leap Forward’ that killed scores of millions of Chinese; they did not attempt to kill everybody with any appreciable education in Cambodia; they did not launch one aggressive war after another; they did not implement trade sanctions that killed perhaps 500,000 Iraqi children.
    How do you stop the man who does NOT believe in anarchist principles and the NAP, from carrying out such atrocities on yourself, your family and your community?
    "Truly, whoever can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I've never abandoned it, as a goal for which mankind should strive.

    The day when the state having a monopoly on violence is as repugnant as chattel slavery.



    How do you stop the man who does NOT believe in anarchist principles and the NAP, from carrying out such atrocities on yourself, your family and your community?

    Are you under the [false] impression that the NAP does not provide for defense?
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Are you under the [false] impression that the NAP does not provide for defense?
    Not at all.

    But defense of more than one individual in a street fight or crime, requires organization.

    If you have organization, you have rules.

    If you have rules you have "government".
    "Truly, whoever can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Are you under the [false] impression that the NAP does not provide for defense?
    Or perhaps the false impression that only governments can organize people.

    ETA--called it.

    AF, poker has rules. It has also been outlawed in more than one jurisdiction over the years. Bit of a dichotomy there...
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.



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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Or perhaps the false impression that only governments can organize people.

    ETA--called it.

    AF, poker has rules. It has also been outlawed in more than one jurisdiction over the years. Bit of a dichotomy there...



    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Not at all.

    But defense of more than one individual in a street fight or crime, requires organization.

    If you have organization, you have rules.

    If you have rules you have "government".

    I'm not aware of the local militia asking or requiring taxes or fees. Am I behind?
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Or perhaps the false impression that only governments can organize people.

    ETA--called it.

    AF, poker has rules. It has also been outlawed in more than one jurisdiction over the years. Bit of a dichotomy there...
    Rules conflicting with rules.

    Yup, not good.

    Can't argue the fact, just simply stating that it's a pipe dream until the day comes when every single person accepts and lives by the NAP.

    I hope that day comes sometime.

    I know our founding documents moved the ball down the field quite a bit towards that goal, which is why they are worthy of being defended.
    "Truly, whoever can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post






    I'm not aware of the local militia asking or requiring taxes or fees. Am I behind?
    Never heard of a local militia requiring the use of funny money, or forcing people to engage in wars of conquest, or even banning poker, either.

    I'm not sure everyone is defining "government" the same way.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I'm not aware of the local militia asking or requiring taxes or fees. Am I behind?
    Is there training to be done?

    Orders to form up and march to where?

    Attack or defend when and where and how, using what elements?

    Rules, orders, leaders...
    "Truly, whoever can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Never heard of a local militia requiring the use of funny money, or forcing people to engage in wars of conquest, or even banning poker, either.

    I'm not sure everyone is defining "government" the same way.

    Yep. It's called "conditioning".


    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Is there training to be done?

    Orders to form up and march to where?

    Attack or defend when and where and how, using what elements?

    Rules, orders, leaders...
    Voluntarily.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Voluntarily.
    Exactly.

    In others words: the consent of the governed.
    "Truly, whoever can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Exactly.

    In others words: the consent of the governed.
    I don't see how that follows. I voluntarily bought groceries. I didn't call the grocer my liege. I voluntarily got a toy out of a tree for a neighbor kid the other day. I didn't play Hail to the Chief.

    This nonsense of, if you have an impromptu ball game in the park and the odd man out plays umpire, you've created a government is just a black pill. It has gotten old and stale.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 10-04-2022 at 11:42 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

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    Anarchy can basically be summed up as "having the right to self determination" (which further implies, that all associations are voluntary)

    And oddly, this is a right that the UN claims to uphold (it obviously doesn't)
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Exactly.

    In others words: the consent of the governed.
    We the People..

    This ends when We say NO.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Anarchy can basically be summed up as "having the right to self determination" (which further implies, that all associations are voluntary)
    enclosed in the First Amendment. Freedom of Conscience.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    I don't see how that follows. I voluntarily bought groceries. I didn't call the grocer my liege. I voluntarily got a toy out of a tree for a neighbor kid the other day. I didn't play Hail to the Chief.

    This nonsense of, if you have an impromptu ball game in the park and the odd man out plays umpire, you've created a government is just a black pill. It has gotten old and stale.
    Anarchy makes no qualifications as to strength or scope of government.

    If the odd man out, as umpire, is enforcing the rules, he is, by definition, a form of government.
    "Truly, whoever can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    We the People..

    This ends when We say NO.
    Can't be done. Go to a pot luck supper at the neighborhood church and agree to help someome load the dishwasher, and you've created a de facto Government, signed the dreaded Social Contract, and committed yourself and a thousand generations of your progeny to their rule.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Anarchy makes no qualifications as to strength or scope of government.

    If the odd man out, as umpire, is enforcing the rules, he is, by definition, a form of government.
    If agreed upon that is consensual and fine. But if I or you or she or he chooses not to participate or play, taxes are not forcefully collected and that person may freely walk away. They are also free to engage in another consensual agreement, or not.
    Last edited by PAF; 10-04-2022 at 12:39 PM.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer

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    In any human polity - libertarian or otherwise - there will always be rules of some kind, and so also of course the application of those rules. [1]

    Thus, there will always be appliers of those rules (i.e., "rulers") - whether they be called "princes" or "presidents" or "CEOs of private security firms" or what-have-you. Even under a voluntaryist polity, there will necessarily be systems and networks of collectively cooperative deference that will result in a hierarchy of such "rulers" [2]. (That they may not be explicitly identified or thought of as "rulers" is a matter of semantics and narrative framing.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Can't argue the fact, just simply stating that it's a pipe dream until the day comes when every single person accepts and lives by the NAP.

    I hope that day comes sometime.
    Sadly, that day will never come.

    At an absolute minimum, there will always be at least some number of sociopathic types who have no compunctions when it comes to violating the rules (whatever the rules might be, including the NAP). And even beyond those, there will always be non-sociopaths who will nevertheless support (or at least not oppose) aggression - because [reasons (e.g., "it's for the children")].

    Fortunately, the achievement and maintenance of a libertarian polity does not require that "every single person accepts and lives by the NAP". Indeed, it does not even require that a majority does so - or even a plurality. for that matter. It only requires that enough people do so (however much that might be [3]). More specifically, it requires that enough of the right people in the right positions - enough of the aforementioned "appliers of rules", in other words - do so. Under those circumstances, the question of whether Joe Rando is a believer in the NAP or not becomes irrelevant, or at most secondary.



    [1] In fact, it is the nature and substance of those rules which determine whether (and to what extent) a given polity can be deemed to be "libertarian or otherwise" in the first place.

    [2] To invoke an analogy used earlier in this thread, even in a voluntaryist game of "pick up" baseball, the umpire (i.e., "ruler") must necessarily be deferred to by all the players if the game is to occur or continue - even when (or rather, especially when) some of them think his strike zone is too big or too small.

    [3] Ante facto, there is no way of knowing what this quantity is, and it will surely vary widely according to time, place, and other contingent factors.
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 10-04-2022 at 03:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Anarchy makes no qualifications as to strength or scope of government.

    If the odd man out, as umpire, is enforcing the rules, he is, by definition, a form of government.

    Look, brother, I'm not trying to be a facetious $#@! here, but I'm sick atm, tired, and I've grown pretty weary over the years of having to engage in these purely semantic arguments that don't really accomplish anything. So, let me know when that umpire starts tazing and beating the $#@! out of people, kidnapping them, hauling th`em away and throwing them in cages and ultimately murdering them because thay didn't follow the rules of the game. THEN we can maybe start calling him a "government."
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Can't be done. Go to a pot luck supper at the neighborhood church and agree to help someome load the dishwasher, and you've created a de facto Government, signed the dreaded Social Contract, and committed yourself and a thousand generations of your progeny to their rule.
    I have never claimed to be an anarchist. I have been "accused" of such..

    I have one King,,since 1980 in my case.. I am not ruled by any..and I would think 8 years on an alias would have made that clear..

    I jumped through the govt hoops necessary..and got "Legally Married",,for dealing with realities of this Government.

    I avoid them as much as possible,,and coexist when necessary.. and my King has blessed my path.

    I know where Worldly Government comes from,,the error of Nimrod continues.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom



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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    I have never claimed to be an anarchist. I have been "accused" of such..

    I have one King,,since 1980 in my case.. I am not ruled by any..and I would think 8 years on an alias would have made that clear..

    I jumped through the govt hoops necessary..and got "Legally Married",,for dealing with realities of this Government.

    I avoid them as much as possible,,and coexist when necessary.. and my King has blessed my path.

    I know where Worldly Government comes from,,the error of Nimrod continues.

    The [bolded] doesn't make sense... care to elaborate?

    Or are you just a fraidy cat to come out of the closet?
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    The [bolded] doesn't make sense... care to elaborate?

    Or are you just a fraidy cat to come out of the closet?
    I learned my freedom while locked in a Cage..
    Living under an Authoritarian Structure..

    Walked the Main Yard as a Free Man. within the walls.

    I do the same still. and it is sad seeing Main Street looking like the Main Yard.

    Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
    It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not be encumbered once more by a yoke of slavery.
    I will be stolen from, before I ever steal again. Repentant Thief.
    Last edited by pcosmar; 10-04-2022 at 06:10 PM.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    I learned my freedom while locked in a Cage..
    Living under an Authoritarian Structure..

    Walked the Main Yard as a Free Man. within the walls.

    I do the same still. and it is sad seeing Main Street looking like the Main Yard.
    But you still "vote"... for rulers to rule over you... Right?
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    But you still "vote"... for rulers to rule over you... Right?
    NO.. I do vote for Representatives,, but few represent MY interests.. Ron Paul Represented Me..

    I Oppose Rulers..

    This was never meant to be an Authoritarian society.
    Last edited by pcosmar; 10-04-2022 at 08:00 PM.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Look, brother, I'm not trying to be a facetious $#@! here, but I'm sick atm, tired, and I've grown pretty weary over the years of having to engage in these purely semantic arguments that don't really accomplish anything. So, let me know when that umpire starts tazing and beating the $#@! out of people, kidnapping them, hauling th`em away and throwing them in cages and ultimately murdering them because thay didn't follow the rules of the game. THEN we can maybe start calling him a "government."
    And that's just what this is...fun maybe, but not really productive in the here and now of the tyranny we find ourselves in.

    Ultimately I'm on your side, but in the same way I am "on the side" of intergalactic space travel at speeds many times the speed of light.

    A fun argument can be had, hashing out what may be possible, practical or pragmatic about the subject.

    But does absolutely no good when there is a river that needs crossing right in front of us.
    "Truly, whoever can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    But does absolutely no good when there is a river that needs crossing right in front of us.
    It's this $#@!ing soft tyranny. Enough tyranny to make you feel like a miserable prick, but not enough tyranny to actually to do something about it.

    They got this $#@! down to a $#@!in' science.

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