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    Human compost to fight climate change

    Decomposing HUMAN remains can legally be used as compost from 2027 thanks to new California law aimed at tackling climate change

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...te-change.html

    A California law makes it legal to turn human remains into compost
    The process involves placing the body inside a reusable container along with wood chips and aerating it to allow microbes and bacteria to do their thing
    The law, signed by Gov. Gavin Newsom this week, takes effect in 2027
    ‘With climate change ... this is an alternative method of final disposition that won’t contribute emissions into our atmosphere,' the bill's author said

    California will begin offering the option of human composting after death thanks to a bill recently signed into law that aims to tackle climate change.

    Human composting, also known as natural organic reduction (NOR), would be an option for residents who don't want to be buried or cremated upon their death - starting in 2027.

    The process involves placing the body inside a long, reusable steel container along with wood chips and flowers to aerate it - allowing microbes and bacteria to do break down the remains.

    Approximately one month later, the remains will fully decompose and be turned into soil.

    Advocates for the bill, which was signed into law by Gov. Gavin Newsom on Sunday, have said that NOR is a more climate-friendly option.

    Cremation in the U.S. alone emits about 360,000 metric tons of carbon dioxide per year, according to National Geographic.

    The bill bans the combining of various peoples' remains unless they are related.

    But it does not make it illegal to sell the soil that results from the process or use it to grow food for human consumption.

    ‘AB 351 will provide an additional option for California residents that is more environmentally-friendly and gives them another choice for burial,’ Democratic Assembly member Cristina Garcia, the author of the bill, said in a statement.

    ‘With climate change and sea-level rise as very real threats to our environment, this is an alternative method of final disposition that won’t contribute emissions into our atmosphere.

    ‘I look forward to continuing my legacy to fight for clean air by using my reduced remains to plant a tree,’ she wrote, noting that she herself may choose the method when she passes away.

    Micah Truman, founder and CEO of Return Home, a funeral home in the Seattle area that specializes in human composting, said there's been growing demand for the practice in recent years.

    'With cremation, instead of sitting with our person and saying goodbye, we are very divorced from the process,' he told The Guardian.

    Advocates for the bill, which was signed into law by Gov. Gavin Newsom this week, have said NOR is a more climate-friendly option
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    Advocates for the bill, which was signed into law by Gov. Gavin Newsom this week, have said NOR is a more climate-friendly option

    Truman said when a body is composted by his facility, the resulting soil is returned to the family to do with it as they wish - some customers have planted trees or flowers, while others have spread it into the ocean.

    The Catholic Church in the state is against the process.

    ‘NOR uses essentially the same process as a home gardening composting system,’ the executive director of the California Catholic Conference, Kathleen Domingo, said in a statement to SFGATE.

    She added that the process was developed for livestock, not humans.

    ‘These methods of disposal were used to lessen the possibility of disease being transmitted by the dead carcass,’ Domingo said.

    ‘Using these same methods for the “transformation” of human remains can create an unfortunate spiritual, emotional and psychological distancing from the deceased.'

    Washington, Colorado and Oregon have all legalized the process of composting human remains. However, Colorado does not allow the soil to be sold or used to grow food for human consumption.

    Under a bill recently passed by New York's state legislature, only cemeteries would be allowed to apply for a license to offer human composting - which the New York State Funeral Directors Association objects to.

    'Funeral directors have always essentially prided themselves as being very responsive, fully responsive, to what a person deserves for their own funeral and burial - however they would like it,' Randy McCullough, deputy executive director of the organization, told NY1 News.

    'And we still want to do that with this process. We're not opposed at all to the introduction of these alternative disposition processes, per se.'



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    Here comes the Soylent Green ...

    (ETA: It is indicative of the problem that I have no idea whether this is actually a realistic prediction, or just a sarcastic wisecrack.)
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    How long before this becomes mandatory (or at least actively encouraged by the State via tax breaks, subsidies, etc.)?

    And why should there even need to be a law to permit this in the first place?

    Oh, wait, of course ...

    Under a bill recently passed by New York's state legislature, only cemeteries would be allowed to apply for a license to offer human composting - which the New York State Funeral Directors Association objects to.

    [...]

    'And we still want to do that with this process. We're not opposed at all to the introduction of these alternative disposition processes, per se. '
    That's why - license fees and monopoly rents. How silly of me not to have realized.

    Fixed it for them:

    'And we still want to do that with this process. We're not opposed at all to the introduction of these alternative disposition processes, per se - at least, not as long as we are the only ones allowed to legally profit from the process.'
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 09-22-2022 at 10:43 AM.

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    There's a lot of vegan types out there so soylent green isn't a long reach..

    At least the carnivores are once removed from cannibalism if their food eats the plants grown in human remains.

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    That should smell good. All bodies should be sent to Martha's Vineyard for this Green New Meal.
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    LOL..

    Composting Green House Gasses.

    Methane.. Nitrogen Oxide etc.
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    As long as it isn't immigrant poo-poo, I'm good with it. Ours smells better
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    CA Passes Law Allowing HUMAN COMPOSTING INTO SOIL, People Fear Soylent Green Is About To Become Real
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOf_qlpO6gU



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    Seriously , how does tis reduce environment impact because I dont think I am able to see that.
    Do something Danke

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    You got to pop the lid off and take a shovel to it every couple of weeks to keep it working…

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    Wonder how many of those human remains will come from people that got the covid vaccine.
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    Will the compost be required to carry a Prop 65 Cancer warning? How about any food grown in soil to which the compost has been applied?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    for this Green New Meal.

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voluntarist View Post
    Will the compost be required to carry a Prop 65 Cancer warning? How about any food grown in soil to which the compost has been applied?
    Compost cannot be sold or used for growing food.

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Seriously , how does tis reduce environment impact because I dont think I am able to see that.
    Evidently the carbon emission footprint is less than cremation. idk. I think it would be easier to just dump remains at sea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    Evidently the carbon emission footprint is less than cremation. idk. I think it would be easier to just dump remains at sea.
    Roughly 3.5 million die per year.

    That might be a problem.



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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Roughly 3.5 million die per year.

    That might be a problem.
    More food for sea life. Heck, we could make decomp artificial reefs that could restore dying coral ones.

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    Evidently the carbon emission footprint is less than cremation. idk. I think it would be easier to just dump remains at sea.
    Too many bodies (and parts) washing up on beaches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Too many bodies (and parts) washing up on beaches.
    Most civilized societies Bury their dead.
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    Like my old man, I'm going to be cremated. From dust to dust... it'll be cheaper on me (I don't want to buy a plot) and my family, and they won't have to waste gas coming to visit me. The money I save on the plot and casket I'll pass down to them. Makes perfect sense, and more civilized.
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    It was probably government regulations that put forth the current burial standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Most civilized societies Bury their dead.
    It certainly isn't disrespectful. Eliminate the embalming and the bronze casket, and it's eco-friendly as hell, too.

    But we can't do that, because...

    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    It was [definitely] government regulations that put forth the current burial standards.
    And their excuse was to eliminate the very sort of risk of epidemic that composting will (not might) make all too real.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    It certainly isn't disrespectful. Eliminate the embalming and the bronze casket, and it's eco-friendly as hell, too.

    But we can't do that, because...
    Green Friendly??

    They are also Liquefying Human remains.. Flush most of you down a drain.
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    Grateful dead (or grateful ghost) is both a motif and a group of related folktales present in many cultures throughout the world.

    The most common story involves a traveler who encounters a corpse of someone who never received a proper burial, typically stemming from an unpaid debt. The traveler then either pays off the dead person's debt or pays for burial. The traveler is later rewarded or has their life saved by a person or animal who is actually the soul of the dead person; the grateful dead is a form of the donor. The grateful dead spirit may take many different physical forms including that of a guardian angel, animal, or fellow traveler. The traveler's encounter with the deceased comes near the end of the traveler's journey.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Probably a lot of valuable protein that has already paid the CO2 tax going to waste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    Probably a lot of valuable protein that has already paid the CO2 tax going to waste.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    Probably a lot of valuable protein that has already paid the CO2 tax going to waste.
    Let me guess that it is okay to eat the bugs that eat the body but not the body. Old people probably make good stew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    Compost cannot be sold or used for growing food yet.
    Fixed.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Too many bodies (and parts) washing up on beaches.
    We can dump them in the Pacific Gyre


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    I mean ...


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