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  1. #211
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Until the Welfare gets shut off, expect more of the same.
    Again, I don't buy that anymore.

    Maduro is emptying the prisons and sending them here. Even if there was not so much as a bottle of water to be handed out, these men would still cross the border.

    Millions more are being funded, organized and directed by foreign governments, hostile NGOs both foreign and domestic and internal traitors.

    This is not about jobs or "a better life" or hand outs and welfare or wretched refuse yearning to breathe free.

    This is 5th Generation warfare, designed to destroy this nation.
    "Truly, whoever can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire



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  3. #212
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Again, I don't buy that anymore.

    Maduro is emptying the prisons and sending them here. Even if there was not so much as a bottle of water to be handed out, these men would still cross the border.

    Millions more are being funded, organized and directed by foreign governments, hostile NGOs both foreign and domestic and internal traitors.

    This is not about jobs or "a better life" or hand outs and welfare or wretched refuse yearning to breathe free.

    This is 5th Generation warfare, designed to destroy this nation.
    I'll send ya a post card ;-)
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  4. #213
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

  5. #214

  6. #215
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Yeah, DeSantis is horrible. He hasn't done anything right, and he would never be on the same side of an issue as Ron Paul.

    We should consider the most Ron Paul-like candidate for POTUS, Gavin Newsom. Gavin is honest, sincere and really cares about all people. Plus he has great hair and can speak better than Joe Biden or Kamala Harris. Don't fall for the same old song and dance, vote for Gavin, he's like Ron Paul on steroids!
    WTH was that Brian? Who said anything about Gavin Newsom?

    My point is that I think the fact that we're marching headfirst into WW3 and a stock market crash and depression, by far the two biggest issues that this forum was founded upon (foreign policy and central banking...immigration was far, far down the list) should be a much more highly discussed topic here than DeSantis' latest immigration distraction PR stunt. There's nothing in GenPol about those two monumental issues facing us all but plenty about DeSantis immigration, Trump's manufactured drama and rest of the kabuki theater performers antics. It's almost like it's intentional, ya know?
    Last edited by devil21; 09-22-2022 at 06:40 PM.
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  7. #216
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    WTH was that Brian? Who said anything about Gavin Newsom?

    My point is that I think the fact that we're marching headfirst into WW3 and a stock market crash and depression, by far the two biggest issues that this forum was founded upon (foreign policy and central banking...immigration was far, far down the list) should be a much more highly discussed topic here than DeSantis' latest immigration distraction PR stunt. There's nothing in GenPol about those two monumental issues facing us all but plenty about DeSantis immigration, Trump's manufactured drama and rest of the kabuki theater performers antics. It's almost like it's intentional, ya know?
    Ya think???
    There is no spoon.



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  9. #217
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

  10. #218
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    lol
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  11. #219
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    lol
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

  12. #220
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    That isn't wrong. DeSantis couldn't send a group of Cuban boat people up north. Cubans are an important voting block in Florida and he couldn't win the election without them.
    $#@! you, I got mine: Refugee edition.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

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  15. #223
    "DeSantis sending 50 immigrants to Martha's Vineyard is a terrible thing to do! After all, who will pick the cotton?" -- Nancy Pelosi (paraphrased)

    https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/st...76595079708672

  16. #224
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Ah yes, my notorious support for government spending.
    Your full post from my sig line is just one example.
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    ...I believe that when the government is capable of doing a thing, it will.
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    which one of yall fuckers wrote the "ron paul" racist news letters
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  18. #225
    Texas Sheriff Javier Salazar on Thursday certified that the group of migrants flown to Martha’s Vineyard, Mass., last month by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) were victims of a crime, qualifying them to obtain a visa.

    Salazar, the Bexar County sheriff, submitted certification documents that will allow the nearly 50 migrants to apply for U visas, which grant crime victims nonimmigrant status in the U.S. to ensure that they are available as witnesses during investigations or trials.
    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...ms-of-a-crime/



    Hahahahahaha
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
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  19. #226
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    2024 DNC Convention speakers gotta be protected. Or at least kept around so their interpreters can tell of their horrible abduction to Martha's Vineyard by DeSantis.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  20. #227
    My guess is DeSantis was put on notice. If not, why not land a plane load several times a day right back into Martha's Vineyard.

  21. #228
    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    My guess is DeSantis was put on notice. If not, why not land a plane load several times a day right back into Martha's Vineyard.
    It backfired on him so he backed off
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

  22. #229
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    It backfired on him so he backed off
    Ya sure ok
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  23. #230
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Ya sure ok
    I don't know if it backfired on him. But I do think that if he kept doing sending more planes to the same place whatever political benefit he gained from it the first time would turn into a net loss.
    There is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
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  24. #231
    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    I don't know if it backfired on him. But I do think that if he kept doing sending more planes to the same place whatever political benefit he gained from it the first time would turn into a net loss.
    He imported in immigrants just so he could send them to Martha's Vineyard and on taxpayer dollars to simply game one up on the Dems.

    Florida taxpayers paid $615,000 for DeSantis to fly Texas migrants to island
    https://www.tallahassee.com/story/ne...d/10399505002/

    DeShamtis should not be using the power of his office and taxpayer dollars simply for political purposes. A speech threatening to do so would have had the same effect without the consequences of spent taxpayer funds and now citizenship for the group claiming legal victim status protections.

    This is the same guy that used people whom already did their time and paid their debt for political purposes to again game one up on the Dems.

    20 were charged for voter fraud in Florida. Advocates say a broken system is to blame
    https://www.npr.org/2022/08/27/11197...s-felon-rights
    That's why we have seen some of the recent prosecutions of folks who by all accounts really genuinely did not know that they were ineligible when they registered and voted," he said. "They were even registered to vote in registration drives conducted by election officials."
    https://www.tampabay.com/news/florid...-couldnt-vote/

    There is no group he will not use and abuse for political purposes to get a sound byte on Fox News. For now it is illegals and ex-convicts. Who knows who he will use next.

    DeShamtis also hangs with and is funded by the swamp. He has no moral compass. The media narrative otherwise is just an act.
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  25. #232
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    It backfired on him so he backed off
    Sending them to Slow Joe's state next.

    If there is a God that works in this world, it'll be your back yard.


    Florida governor Ron DeSantis will fly migrants to Illinois and Delaware

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...box=1665870652

    15 Oct 2022

    The Republican governor of Florida, Ron DeSantis, plans to continue flying undocumented migrants to Democratic strongholds, his spokeswoman said on Saturday, a day after released records showed the state paid nearly $1m to arrange two sets of flights to Delaware and Illinois.

    Documents released on Friday showed that the planned flights will transport about 100 migrants. They were scheduled for before 3 October but were halted or postponed. The contractor hired by Florida extended the window for the trips until 1 December, according to memos released by the state transportation department.

    Asked why the flights were postponed, DeSantis’s communications director, Taryn Fenske, said Florida had been busy dealing with the aftermath of Hurricane Ian.

    “While Florida has had all hands on deck responding to our catastrophic hurricane, the immigration relocation program remains active,“ Fenske said.

    The flights would be a follow-up to 14 September flights from Texas to Martha’s Vineyard, Massachusetts, that carried 49 mostly Venezuelan migrants to the island where the former president Barack Obama owns a home. Local officials were not told in advance that the migrants were coming.

    DeSantis claimed responsibility for the flights as part of a campaign to focus attention on what he has called the Biden administration’s failed border policies. He was joining the Republican Texas governor, Greg Abbott, in sending migrants to Democratic strongholds without advance warning.
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  27. #233
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Sending them to Slow Joe's state next.

    If there is a God that works in this world, it'll be your back yard.


    Florida governor Ron DeSantis will fly migrants to Illinois and Delaware

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...box=1665870652

    15 Oct 2022

    The Republican governor of Florida, Ron DeSantis, plans to continue flying undocumented migrants to Democratic strongholds, his spokeswoman said on Saturday, a day after released records showed the state paid nearly $1m to arrange two sets of flights to Delaware and Illinois.

    Documents released on Friday showed that the planned flights will transport about 100 migrants. They were scheduled for before 3 October but were halted or postponed. The contractor hired by Florida extended the window for the trips until 1 December, according to memos released by the state transportation department.

    Asked why the flights were postponed, DeSantis’s communications director, Taryn Fenske, said Florida had been busy dealing with the aftermath of Hurricane Ian.

    “While Florida has had all hands on deck responding to our catastrophic hurricane, the immigration relocation program remains active,“ Fenske said.

    The flights would be a follow-up to 14 September flights from Texas to Martha’s Vineyard, Massachusetts, that carried 49 mostly Venezuelan migrants to the island where the former president Barack Obama owns a home. Local officials were not told in advance that the migrants were coming.

    DeSantis claimed responsibility for the flights as part of a campaign to focus attention on what he has called the Biden administration’s failed border policies. He was joining the Republican Texas governor, Greg Abbott, in sending migrants to Democratic strongholds without advance warning.

    Well, many folks truly actually believe Trump was sent by him:

    May 16, 2019

    The Trump administration is looking for a private contractor to move the dramatically increasing number of children detained at the US border with Mexico to shelters across the country.

    US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) says it needs a “highly responsible” company to accompany tens of thousands of juvenile asylum seekers and families to the shelters every year, according to a newly issued federal procurement document reviewed by Quartz.

    A draft solicitation dated May 13 seeks “on-demand escort services for non-criminal/non-delinquent UAC and FAMUs ranging from infants to 17 years of age and adults with a family, seven (7) days a week, 365 days a year.” (In US immigration terminology, “UACs” are “unaccompanied children,” and “FAMUs” are “family units.”)

    The winning bidder will arrange commercial airline and bus trips for roughly 60,000 people per year, the document says. Over the course of a five-year contract, the contractor will transport an estimated 225,000 unaccompanied children from “infants to 17 years of age,” as well as adults with families, and will be responsible for everything from buying plane tickets to supplying food, clothing, and procuring healthcare while in transit.

    https://qz.com/1620064/ice-plans-to-...mmigrant-kids/
    But, like with the VAX (OWS), transfer it under Biden's watch, so that you know, good-guy-bad-guy elections 2024. As long as your tax dollars are hard at work.

    At least he bidded it out. Right? Gooooooo Fed!
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer

  28. #234
    Is the "revolving door" making any sense now? Dem/Repub, Public/Private partnerships, fulfill mandatory-head-counts only to expand and build bigger? While the sheep beg and scream to take more dollars and DESTROY our very BoR?

    It's not immigrants doing that, it's the stoopid people who keep voting and funding "their" side to enrich the M(ilitary)IC and P(rison)IC. Which furthers the UN/WEF goal - "you will own nothing and be happy" and "conditioned to eat synthetic meat", as Private Property is taken and Bill Gates continues to buy up farm land. Oh, and subsidize farmers not to grow so that we have empty shelves and $5/lb chicken wings.
    Last edited by PAF; 10-17-2022 at 06:49 AM.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer

  29. #235
    @Anti Federalist



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    In 2018, MVM won a contract from the FBI to conduct classified research for its High-Value Detainee Interrogation Group.

    Among these is a $162 million contract with ICE to transport unaccompanied minor migrants. In July 2018, it was reported that MVM used a Phoenix, Arizona office building to provide unaccompanied minors shelter during the previous three weeks despite not being zoned for human occupancy or having a state license to serve as a child care facility.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MVM,_Inc.

    Ex-CIA Contractor Makes Millions Flying Immigrant Kids to Shelters

    MVM, Inc. went from guarding the U.S. spies in Iraq to hauling children away from the Mexico border on commercial airline flights.

    The Trump administration has been paying an intelligence contractor millions of dollars to to fly immigrant children to shelters across the United States.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/intell...ds-to-shelters
    Where The Money Came From To Fly Migrants

    September 18, 2022

    As part of this year's roughly $109.9 billion state budget – which had bipartisan support – the legislature allocated $12 million "to facilitate the transport of unauthorized aliens out of Florida."

    "We're going to spend every penny of that", DeSantis said at Friday's press conference. Public records show the state paid a private contractor, Vertol Systems Inc., an aircraft solutions provider, $615,000 to transport the migrants to Martha's Vineyard. That's $12,300 per migrant.

    https://www.npr.org/2022/09/18/11236...egal-questions
    Last edited by PAF; 10-17-2022 at 08:19 AM.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer

  30. #236
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Is the "revolving door" making any sense now? Dem/Repub, Public/Private partnerships, fulfill mandatory-head-counts only to expand and build bigger? While the sheep beg and scream to take more dollars and DESTROY our very BoR?

    It's not immigrants doing that, it's the stoopid people who keep voting and funding "their" side to enrich the M(ilitary)IC and P(rison)IC. Which furthers the UN/WEF goal - "you will own nothing and be happy" and "conditioned to eat synthetic meat", as Private Property is taken and Bill Gates continues to buy up farm land. Oh, and subsidize farmers not to grow so that we have empty shelves and $5/lb chicken wings.
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    @Anti Federalist
    For the past 30 years, MVM has specialized in providing services to Federal customers. Since 1987 we’ve supported more than 20 Federal agencies throughout the Departments of Defense, Justice, Homeland Security, Health and Human Services, and State, as well as the Social Security Administration. Because of our depth of experience, we know what it takes to make our customers successful in achieving their missions.
    https://www.mvminc.com/about-us/who-we-serve/
    MVM, Inc.

    Following the September 11th attacks, MVM received contracts from the United States Army and the U.S. Justice Department. MVM continues work on these contracts as well as contracts with agencies incorporated into the Department of Homeland Security.

    In 2018, MVM won a contract from the FBI to conduct classified research for its High-Value Detainee Interrogation Group.

    Among these is a $162 million contract with ICE to transport unaccompanied minor migrants. In July 2018, it was reported that MVM used a Phoenix, Arizona office building to provide unaccompanied minors shelter during the previous three weeks despite not being zoned for human occupancy or having a state license to serve as a child care facility.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MVM,_Inc.

    Ex-CIA Contractor Makes Millions Flying Immigrant Kids to Shelters

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/intell...ds-to-shelters
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    All of that is precisely why the fedgov will never do it's duty as demanded by the constitution.

    Why it will never stop the handouts.

    Why the "free market" wing of the ruling class is in favor of it.

    Cheap labor for Juan to play the Mexican bagpipes in their yards, and profits from the prison industrial complex.

    My solution would require no eminent land takings, would require no extra spending, in fact would save money, and would end the invasion in a week.

    But the system wants the invasion, so that will never happen.

    And by refusing to call it what it is, by failing to recognize the threat and what is happening, that makes you a tool of the system, complicit in its actions and a de facto supporter of their plans.
    //
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 10-17-2022 at 08:13 AM.
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  31. #237
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    And by refusing to call it what it is, by failing to recognize the threat and what is happening, that makes you a tool of the system, complicit in its actions and a de facto supporter of their plans.
    Don't blame me. I don't "vote" for either side. If it were up to me, I would not beg the Fed to "do something" or send a single penny. I believe in freedom, liberty and fiscal responsibility.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer

  32. #238
    I didn't want this to get missed:

    Ex-CIA Contractor Makes Millions Flying Immigrant Kids to Shelters

    MVM, Inc. went from guarding the U.S. spies in Iraq to hauling children away from the Mexico border on commercial airline flights.

    The Trump administration has been paying an intelligence contractor millions of dollars to to fly immigrant children to shelters across the United States.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/intell...ds-to-shelters
    Where The Money Came From To Fly Migrants

    September 18, 2022

    As part of this year's roughly $109.9 billion state budget – which had bipartisan support – the legislature allocated $12 million "to facilitate the transport of unauthorized aliens out of Florida."

    "We're going to spend every penny of that", DeSantis said at Friday's press conference. Public records show the state paid a private contractor, Vertol Systems Inc., an aircraft solutions provider, $615,000 to transport the migrants to Martha's Vineyard. That's $12,300 per migrant.

    https://www.npr.org/2022/09/18/11236...egal-questions
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer

  33. #239
    That's $12,300 per migrant.
    Pretty pricey airline tickets, even given inflation.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

  34. #240
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I didn't want this to get missed:
    Fun part being that those migrants were neither unauthorized nor in Florida.

    But hey, if Floridians want to pay for tik tok videos and campaign ads with their taxes that's their prerogative. Something something freedom.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.



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