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    It's official. No more Challengers or Chargers. EV golf carts only

    ‘End of an Era:’ Dodge Will Stop Building Chargers, Challengers in Favor of Electric Cars

    https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2022/...electric-cars/

    ALANA MASTRANGELO 16 Aug 2022

    Dodge has announced a “last call” for its Charger and Challenger models, as the company is “celebrating the end of an era” and switching to electric vehicles — whether their customers want them or not.

    (Interesting to note, 2021 sales beat Mustang's and made Dodge the number one muscle car maker. - AF)

    “The Dodge Charger and Dodge Challenger, in current form, are coming to an end,” announced Dodge’s parent company Stellantis on Monday.

    The company added that it plans to release the look of its final 2023 Charger and Challenger models, which will come with a commemorative “Last Call” underhood plaque.

    “We are celebrating the end of an era — and the start of a bright new electrified future — by staying true to our brand,” Tim Kuniskis, Dodge brand chief executive officer said.

    Kuniskis added that “the brand will mark the last of our iconic Charger and Challenger nameplates in their current form in the same way that got us here, with a passion both for our products and our enthusiasts that drives us to create as much uniqueness in the muscle car community and marketplace as possible.”

    (Horse$#@!. They are doing this because of government fatwas. No other reason. Hellcat "enthusiasts" have not been lighting up the phone lines for an EV Hellcat. - AF)

    Stellantis is the latest automobile company to jump on the electric vehicle (EV) bandwagon.

    Earlier this summer, Ford CEO Jim Farley said he believes that the electric car market will soon enter an intense price war with upcoming models costing as little as $25,000.

    Breitbart News previously reported:

    Electrek reports that Ford CEO Jim Farley believes that the electric car market is about to enter an intense price war as more affordable models become available. Due to production issues and strong demand, there is nothing close to a price war in the EV market, but Farley believes that is likely to change soon.

    During the Bernstein Strategic Decisions Conference on Wednesday, Ford CEO Jim Farley stated that he expects to see the cost of making electric vehicles fall in the coming years, allowing them to be sold for as cheap as $25,000.

    “So I believe there will be, our industry is definitely heading to a huge price war,” said Farley. He noted that the Mustang Mach-E currently starts at around $45,000 but the battery pack alone costs Ford $18,000 to build, a production price that he hopes to lower in coming years.

    Farley appears thrilled with the prospects of manufacturing electric vehicles, which may impact manufacturing employment. The CEO describes EVs as “Half the fixtures, half the work stations, half the welds, 20% less fasteners. We designed it, because it’s such a simple product, to radically change the manufacturability.”
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    I got two cousins that play golf. Wonder what they're opinion on this is.
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    Golf Cart? with a 3.5sec ,,0 to 60

    https://aptera.us/




    Start price $25,900
    Configured with Camping package and 600 mi. battery pack and other options (my build) is around $38,600.

    Competitive Pricing,, and I do like this design.
    Last edited by pcosmar; 08-16-2022 at 11:39 PM.
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    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    (Horse$#@!. They are doing this because of government fatwas. No other reason. Hellcat "enthusiasts" have not been lighting up the phone lines for an EV Hellcat. - AF)...
    During the Bernstein Strategic Decisions Conference on Wednesday...
    Here's the thing, it's not 100% "government" fatwas. In fact, more importantly, these are fatwas from the institutional investment community. The Bernstein Strategic Decisions Conference is where CEO's get up in front of investors to tell them how they're bending the knee and then beg them for money. That's right - global conglomerates in banking and finance. They've been captured by this so-called "green" movement.

    World governments (including ours) have given guidance to the banking industry to stop providing loans to anything related to fossil fuels. But this guidance wasn't needed for the BIG institutions - only for the small ones who weren't following the plans. The big institutions are leading this. (*note that they had to rescind some of that guidance recently because it drove up the price of energy too fast) In a capital intensive industry like energy, if you don't maintain access to capital, you are dead. And these central planners know that.

    Unfortunately, a change in government will do little to stop this momentum. We really need to peel away the socialists from these global financial institutions. They control the entire game right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Here's the thing, it's not 100% "government" fatwas. In fact, more importantly, these are fatwas from the institutional investment community. The Bernstein Strategic Decisions Conference is where CEO's get up in front of investors to tell them how they're bending the knee and then beg them for money. That's right - global conglomerates in banking and finance. They've been captured by this so-called "green" movement.

    World governments (including ours) have given guidance to the banking industry to stop providing loans to anything related to fossil fuels. But this guidance wasn't needed for the BIG institutions - only for the small ones who weren't following the plans. The big institutions are leading this. (*note that they had to rescind some of that guidance recently because it drove up the price of energy too fast) In a capital intensive industry like energy, if you don't maintain access to capital, you are dead. And these central planners know that.

    Unfortunately, a change in government will do little to stop this momentum. We really need to peel away the socialists from these global financial institutions. They control the entire game right now.
    You make valid points, but I think what it boils down to, is a "which came first, the chicken or the egg?" sort of discussion.

    The university system's economics departments, both globally and here in the US, have almost universally been taken over by tenured Marxists.

    So the BAs and MBAs they graduate almost universally are Marxists as well. $#@!, even the military academies have fallen to this.

    Car companies long ago ceased to be run by hard bitten cigar chomping executives that knew and drove cars and understood what people wanted.

    They are almost universally run by boards and VPs comprised of these same recently graduated woke Marxists, who hate the idea of cars and are only interested in how many queeers and coloreds are employed by the company.

    Their fellow travelers in government are always quick to let them know of the latest fatwa against ICE vehicles that they have just mandated, because, hating cars, they know that electrification will be the quickest way to kill the car as a transportation device for the "everyman".

    It was fools like that, that killed the multi billion dollar outfit I was working for.

    Unfortunately, a change in government will do little to stop this momentum.
    No, it will not...radically altering or abolishing it may however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Their fellow travelers in government are always quick to let them know of the latest fatwa against ICE vehicles that they have just mandated, because, hating cars, they know that electrification will be the quickest way to kill the car as a transportation device for the "everyman".
    Trains. Socialists LOVE trains. It's like the perfect central-planning fantasy where you can pick up human cargo at a point of your choosing and deliver it to a point of your choosing without all that mess of individual decision-making.

    The ultimate goal is to push the entire public into what they call "autonomous" or "self-driving" electric vehicles. It's like a central planner's wet dream because it's like trains, but without the limitations of tracks. You won't "own" a car - you'll request one to pick you up and take you where you want to go. You won't pay for fuel, maintenance, or insurance directly... that'll be wrapped up in the price of the mobility "service". And if you happen to cross the line in your political beliefs or activities and wind up on the wrong side of "the law", you will be picked up and routed to the nearest detention facility.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post

    The ultimate goal is to push the entire public into what they call "autonomous" or "self-driving" electric vehicles.
    That is the Direction I see it going as well.. They want to limit or deny independent travel.

    AI is not ready yet (Thankfully) but that push is on..

    Electric can be the Key to independence.. Become your own Power Producer.
    and there are several options to do so.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Trains. Socialists LOVE trains. It's like the perfect central-planning fantasy where you can pick up human cargo at a point of your choosing and deliver it to a point of your choosing without all that mess of individual decision-making.

    The ultimate goal is to push the entire public into what they call "autonomous" or "self-driving" electric vehicles. It's like a central planner's wet dream because it's like trains, but without the limitations of tracks. You won't "own" a car - you'll request one to pick you up and take you where you want to go. You won't pay for fuel, maintenance, or insurance directly... that'll be wrapped up in the price of the mobility "service". And if you happen to cross the line in your political beliefs or activities and wind up on the wrong side of "the law", you will be picked up and routed to the nearest detention facility.
    And your Social Credit Score (SCS) will determine where you can go, if you qualify to ride at all.
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    23 min in they cut the BS and show the car.


    Last edited by tod evans; 08-17-2022 at 05:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    23 min in they cut the BS and show the car.


    You beat me to it..

    https://www.detroitnews.com/picture-...t/10354217002/
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    I like the 60's Dodge emblem they're using even though I'm not as enthusiastic as others for these battery powered cars.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    I like the 60's Dodge emblem they're using
    I noticed that too. It's also nice to see Charger go back to two doors.

    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    ...even though I'm not as enthusiastic as others for these battery powered cars.
    Does make it hard to get in and drive all day long.

    Can't say the Godzilla Roar coming over the speakers impressed me, either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    .

    Can't say the Godzilla Roar coming over the speakers impressed me, either.
    Harley did that too.. added sound effects...

    They Stated that the Focus was Performance rather than Economy..

    Recharge Times is the next development hurdle.. and it will improve.

    and their "Transmission" is software show.. not drive-line.. but that is for the Target audience.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

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    It is pretty. Wonder how much trouble it would be to put a 340 in it?
    Last edited by acptulsa; 08-18-2022 at 10:44 AM.
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    If it weren't a Charger I would say it's a cool car, but they call it a Charger... It's not a Charger.

    The front looks okay, the side looks weird to me. The interior looks too much like a toy.

    Shame. I'm sure it drives well. But not like a Charger.
    "I am a bird"



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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    It is pretty. Wonder how much trouble it would be to put a 340 in it?

    Quite impossible ? Unless you just cut off the bodywork and strap it to a donor, maybe.
    "I am a bird"

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    It is pretty. Wonder how much trouble it would be to put a 340 in it?
    A lot,,and full redesign. You would need a Real Transmission and Drive Train.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

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    Quote Originally Posted by luctor-et-emergo View Post

    Shame. I'm sure it drives well. But not like a Charger.
    More so than the Mach-E that is not a Mustang.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    A lot,,and full redesign. You would need a Real Transmission and Drive Train.
    That depends on your point of view. Is a generator with its shaft connected to the flywheel a real transmission?

    Most gearheads say no, no. But any real railroader says yes, yes.
    "Pity we didn't nominate Rand Paul--a man who actually has the Alpha Cojones to put his life on the line, but unfortunately lacks the bad taste necessary to brag about them."-- acptulsa

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    They're not "electric". They're coal and/or natural gas powered.

    Idiocracy and Atlas Shrugged were documentaries. The modern world is the dumbest time to be alive. It's great for modern medicine, and modern conveniences, but the social paradigm is completely asinine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty View Post
    They're not "electric". They're coal and/or natural gas powered.

    Idiocracy and Atlas Shrugged were documentaries. The modern world is the dumbest time to be alive. It's great for modern medicine, and modern conveniences, but the social paradigm is completely asinine.
    Of course, some of us rather like coal-powered vehicles.



    It's a funny thing that those who despise coal-powered vehicles the most have the least clue if they're riding in one or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Of course, some of us rather like coal-powered vehicles.



    It's a funny thing that those who despise coal-powered vehicles the most have the least clue if they're riding in one or not.
    I love steam trains. Although perhaps not for utility *(I do not use any trains really, or public transport for that matter).
    So maybe the Charger should remain a fuel vehicle, as that is what it is...
    "I am a bird"

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    Quote Originally Posted by luctor-et-emergo View Post
    I love steam trains. Although perhaps not for utility
    They aren't so great at hauling freight. But I think they should be brought back for passenger service, for the same reason passenger trains were streamlined. No, not because steamers cut through the air better. As an employee of either the Union Pacific or the Chicago, Burlington & Quincy said to someone who was asking about the finer points of slicing through the air in 1934, streamlining wasn't about wind resistance. It was about reducing customer resistance.

    You aren't the only person who doesn't much ride trains, but just might if there was a steam-hauled sample handy.

    What this has to do with Dodges I'm sure I don't know. But I like to share that theory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    That depends on your point of view. Is a generator with its shaft connected to the flywheel a real transmission?

    Most gearheads say no, no. But any real railroader says yes, yes.
    Most transmissions use Gears..
    and though they have not released any Specs,, some can be deduced.. It is ALL Wheel Drive.
    Shift points are Artificially Software generated,, to the 4 independent motors. Likely Hub Motors.
    (could use 2 motors and a drive axle, but I think 4 with Performance in mind)

    Just as the sound is artificially generated.
    Last edited by pcosmar; 08-18-2022 at 02:46 PM.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    You won't "own" a car - you'll request one to pick you up and take you where you want to go. You won't pay for fuel, maintenance, or insurance directly... that'll be wrapped up in the price of the mobility "service".
    To be fair, that model of transportation makes much more sense than everyone having a car that sits unused taking up space 95% of the time.

    For urban users anyway.

    And if you happen to cross the line in your political beliefs or activities and wind up on the wrong side of "the law", you will be picked up and routed to the nearest detention facility.
    Exercising your "privilege" of travel already carries this risk, with license plate scanners and what-not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Golf Cart? with a 3.5sec ,,0 to 60

    https://aptera.us/




    Start price $25,900
    Configured with Camping package and 600 mi. battery pack and other options (my build) is around $38,600.

    Competitive Pricing,, and I do like this design.
    That's pretty cool if it works as advertised.

    I remain skeptical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    That's pretty cool if it works as advertised.

    I remain skeptical.
    I'm sure it works a damned sight better than any new four-wheeler electric sold in the U.S. because legally, it's a motorcycle.

    Therefore, no air bags, no monster bumpers that absorb jogging-speed impacts, no side door guard beams, no...

    Well, the list is very long. But those three items have already saved somewhere between 500 and 1000 pounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luctor-et-emergo View Post
    I love steam trains. Although perhaps not for utility *(I do not use any trains really, or public transport for that matter).
    So maybe the Charger should remain a fuel vehicle, as that is what it is...
    Do you know how they make the steam?

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty View Post
    Do you know how they make the steam?
    Solar Panels?

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