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  1. #691
    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    This video is very instructive. Timestamp @3:35 contains the crux of their bull$#@! argument -- they are trying to conflate POTUS, who is the embodiment and personification of the Executive branch, with an "original classifier", which is just a Federal office designated by POTUS as a classifying authority. The key phrase is "This includes the President". And that's the constitutional battle that has to be fought here. Executive privilege inheres in the individual, not the office. It is true that executive privilege does not extend beyond the term of the presidency, but all of the information pertaining to POTUS's activities, for the duration of their presidency, is privileged executive information and does not stop being privileged executive information after the term of the presidency.

    For the blockheaded Wokists out there, the simple litmus test is to ask yourself whether (a) the information in question is something that POTUS had legitimate access to during their presidency, and (b) POTUS could be "made to forget" this information upon leaving office. In the case of (a), POTUS has automatic and unrestricted access to all information in the Executive; and in the case of (b) if you want to assert that some particular document "could not be declassified upon leaving office", you must explain how the information is to be extracted from POTUS's brain since he can simply read the document one minute before leaving office and write down what he read one minute after leaving office.

    This idea of trying to make POTUS into "just another Federal employee" who happens to be in charge of all the Federal employees in the Executive is the core constitutional argument here. POTUS is the check-and-balance of the Executive, imbued in a single, solitary individual. And that is by design. The Judiciary is 9 people, the Legislative 535 and the Executive is 1. This is a blatant attempt to create some kind of "zombie POTUS" that is permanently attached to the puppet-strings of the very bureaucracy which he is supposed to be the executive of. Pure insanity.
    But Obama signed an Executive Order that was never reversed by Trump, and apparently Executive Orders (and obscure bureaucratic policies and procedures) over-ride the Constitution!
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  3. #692
    It doesn't matter what somebody does it only matters who is complaining about what they did.

  4. #693
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    But Obama signed an Executive Order that was never reversed by Trump, and apparently Executive Orders (and obscure bureaucratic policies and procedures) over-ride the Constitution!
    Exactly... by not updating Obama's EO, Trump nullified his own de-classification decision....

    Psalm 35:7-10, Psalm 109, Isaiah 13:9

  5. #694
    Forget classification for a moment.

    The legal owner of the documents before and after Trump's term ended was the United States Government, not Trump. He had no legal right to possess them after he left office. If he wants to claim executive privilege as to some of them, there's a procedure under the Presidential Records Act for him to do so, but only after the Archivist notifies him that the Archivist intends to make the material public.

    Despite repeated requests by the Archives for documents Trump dragged his heels for over a year, finally turning over 15 boxes in January.

    A subpoena was later served on Trump's custodian of records asking for all documents with classification markings (whether they had been declassified was immaterial). This subpoena was not complied with, despite a sworn certification from a Trump lawyer claiming that all such documents has been returned after a "diligent search".

    Taking documents that didn't belong to him, stalling their return to the Archives, and disobeying a subpoena to turn them over. And the Trump apologists see nothing wrong with this scenario.

    There are none so blind as those who will not see.
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  6. #695
    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    Forget classification for a moment.

    The legal owner of the documents before and after Trump's term ended was the United States Government, not Trump. He had no legal right to possess them after he left office. If he wants to claim executive privilege as to some of them, there's a procedure under the Presidential Records Act for him to do so, but only after the Archivist notifies him that the Archivist intends to make the material public.

    Despite repeated requests by the Archives for documents Trump dragged his heels for over a year, finally turning over 15 boxes in January.

    A subpoena was later served on Trump's custodian of records asking for all documents with classification markings (whether they had been declassified was immaterial). This subpoena was not complied with, despite a sworn certification from a Trump lawyer claiming that all such documents has been returned after a "diligent search".

    Taking documents that didn't belong to him, stalling their return to the Archives, and disobeying a subpoena to turn them over. And the Trump apologists see nothing wrong with this scenario.

    There are none so blind as those who will not see.
    In other words you're saying, it's OK to raid his home so they could recover... documents... for the archive.

    And of course you see no issue with this lol
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  7. #696
    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    Forget classification for a moment.

    The legal owner of the documents before and after Trump's term ended was the United States Government, not Trump. He had no legal right to possess them after he left office. If he wants to claim executive privilege as to some of them, there's a procedure under the Presidential Records Act for him to do so, but only after the Archivist notifies him that the Archivist intends to make the material public.

    Despite repeated requests by the Archives for documents Trump dragged his heels for over a year, finally turning over 15 boxes in January.

    A subpoena was later served on Trump's custodian of records asking for all documents with classification markings (whether they had been declassified was immaterial). This subpoena was not complied with, despite a sworn certification from a Trump lawyer claiming that all such documents has been returned after a "diligent search".

    Taking documents that didn't belong to him, stalling their return to the Archives, and disobeying a subpoena to turn them over. And the Trump apologists see nothing wrong with this scenario.

    There are none so blind as those who will not see.
    Yes, we see that alleged petty, bureaucratic, minor paperwork issues were used for a general warrant to go on a fishing expedition at the residence of a former president, who is also a competing candidate for the next Presidential election. It's pretty clear we see that.

    Can you see the fact that such petty issues and much worse could have been used against other former presidents, and their cabinets (Hillary) and staff, yet that has never been done?
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  9. #697
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    In other words you're saying, it's OK to raid his home so they could recover... documents... for the archive.

    And of course you see no issue with this lol
    Psalm 35:7-10, Psalm 109, Isaiah 13:9

  10. #698
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Yes, we see that alleged petty, bureaucratic, minor paperwork issues were used for a general warrant to go on a fishing expedition at the residence of a former president, who is also a competing candidate for the next Presidential election. It's pretty clear we see that.
    Unless you've seen the documents that were retrieved in the execution of the warrant, you have no basis whatsoever to characterize it as a minor paperwork issue. That is simply wishful thinking on your part because you've apparently bought into the myth that the DOJ is always wrong and Trump is beyond reproach.

    If it was so petty, pray tell why did Trump resist turning over the docs for over a year? And why did he fail to comply with the subpoena? And why did the search warrant uncover twice as many docs with classified markings in a couple of hours than Trump returned to the FBI after its month-long so-called diligent search?

    The Art of the Con, indeed.
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  11. #699
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

  12. #700
    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    Unless you've seen the documents that were retrieved in the execution of the warrant, you have no basis whatsoever to characterize it as a minor paperwork issue. That is simply wishful thinking on your part because you've apparently bought into the myth that the DOJ is always wrong and Trump is beyond reproach.

    If it was so petty, pray tell why did Trump resist turning over the docs for over a year? And why did he fail to comply with the subpoena? And why did the search warrant uncover twice as many docs with classified markings in a couple of hours than Trump returned to the FBI after its month-long so-called diligent search?

    The Art of the Con, indeed.
    Let's see...

    - Contents of Hillary's hacked email server

    - Full snapshot of Hunter Biden's laptop

    - All Crossfire Hurricane investigation documents

    Oh wait, wait, no it couldn't possibly be any of those things... must have been DUN DUN DUNNNNNN:

    Psalm 35:7-10, Psalm 109, Isaiah 13:9

  13. #701
    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    Unless you've seen the documents that were retrieved in the execution of the warrant, you have no basis whatsoever to characterize it as a minor paperwork issue. That is simply wishful thinking on your part because you've apparently bought into the myth that the DOJ is always wrong and Trump is beyond reproach.

    If it was so petty, pray tell why did Trump resist turning over the docs for over a year? And why did he fail to comply with the subpoena? And why did the search warrant uncover twice as many docs with classified markings in a couple of hours than Trump returned to the FBI after its month-long so-called diligent search?

    The Art of the Con, indeed.
    You should have stopped at the end of the bold. We are still arguing about imaginary, speculative subjects related to Trump. Feels just like the last 6 years.
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  14. #702
    Rep. Mary Miller @RepMaryMiller

    The FBI raided teenager Barron Trump's bedroom but refuses to investigate why Hunter Biden was paid millions by the Chinese, Russians, and Ukrainians (was FARA violated?) or what "10% for the Big Guy" means. TWO SYSTEMS OF JUSTICE!

    https://twitter.com/RepMaryMiller/st...09835305832449
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  15. #703
    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    Exactly... by not updating Obama's EO, Trump nullified his own de-classification decision....

    And they took clothing, and went through Melania's closet. I thought that last was supposed to be sarcasm originally.

  16. #704
    It looks like Joy Reid cracked the case. The nutcase.

    MSNBC's Joy Reid: Could Trump documents be related to killed CIA assets?
    https://news.yahoo.com/msnbcs-joy-re...192950628.html
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    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

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  18. #705
    Too bad Trump won't be able to exact his revenge and have the FBI raid Biden's home.
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    Calvin Coolidge

  19. #706

    https://twitter.com/julie_kelly2/sta...75070789943296
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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  20. #707
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post

    https://twitter.com/julie_kelly2/sta...75070789943296
    When you're claiming that the information you're seizing is so secret that it's above POTUS's pay-grade... something is out-of-whack...
    Psalm 35:7-10, Psalm 109, Isaiah 13:9

  21. #708
    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    When you're claiming that the information you're seizing is so secret that it's above POTUS's pay-grade... something is out-of-whack...
    So, you're saying, that all this time, there was a secret organization that operates at a level even above the United States??

    My guess, its the Illuminati
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  22. #709
    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    When you're claiming that the information you're seizing is so secret that it's above POTUS's pay-grade... something is out-of-whack...
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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  23. #710
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    So, you're saying, that all this time, there was a secret organization that operates at a level even above the United States??

    My guess, its the Illuminati
    Klaus Schwab and George Soros have super-mega-ultra-top secret clearance, so they can see anything. Very few have that level of clearance. Usually reserved for those with top clearance and a "need to know". Also can be seen by the head of the DNC, Nancy Pelosi, the Obamas, select members of the press, select FBI agents, select DOJ employees and every FBI agent and beat cop that was in on the search. All of these people have a higher clearance than Trump.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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  24. #711
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Klaus Schwab and George Soros have super-mega-ultra-top secret clearance, so they can see anything. Very few have that level of clearance. Usually reserved for those with top clearance and a "need to know". Also can be seen by the head of the DNC, Nancy Pelosi, the Obamas, select members of the press, select FBI agents, select DOJ employees and every FBI agent and beat cop that was in on the search. All of these people have a higher clearance than Trump.
    Don't forget Schiff, but only when he's in a SCIF.
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    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  25. #712
    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    When you're claiming that the information you're seizing is so secret that it's above POTUS's pay-grade... something is out-of-whack...
    1. Trump isn't POTUS. And the issue isn't that the stuff is above his pay grade. It's that he has no right to possess it and to leave it lying around his house where any guest of his might sneak some out. Recall there were empty classified folders among the material taken in the execution of the warrant.

    2. The only person who stole anything was Trump. The seized materials belong to the federal government, excluding some personal stuff.
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  27. #713
    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    1. Trump isn't POTUS. And the issue isn't that the stuff is above his pay grade. It's that he has no right to possess it and to leave it lying around his house where any guest of his might sneak some out. Recall there were empty classified folders among the material taken in the execution of the warrant.

    2. The only person who stole anything was Trump. The seized materials belong to the federal government, excluding some personal stuff.
    ProTrump media doesn't mention the most glaring and important fact. The GAO is not "unpolitical". It is an office of the executive which does what the executive tells them to do. This is like saying the White House chef is "unpolitical" but it doesn't mean the chef can disobey the President's request to serve rib eye for dinner. When Trump told the GAO warehouse workers to carry and transport these boxes to MAL on January 20 that is the DAY of Biden's inauguration. It is less than 24 hours after Trump, on his LAST DAY of being President, issued that memo which nobody had any time to act upon, at the same time, while he is still the executive, the GAO transports these boxes to MAL.

    The Trump campaign of course would like us to believe that most if not all that caused this raid has to do with Operation Hurricane, but does that really make sense? Not in the least does it make any sense at all. Trump wouldn't want to remove those documents from the National Archives because they are his proofs. They wouldn't even be on National Archives/DOJ/FBI's list to begin with if they were declassified unless Trump thought he could keep all the unredacted originals for himself and then serve them up with heavily redacted copies - a complete absurdity that is criminal. So, let's say he didn't do that. Let's say he left the original unredacted OH docs at DC but took copies of them, redacted or not, to MAL. If that happened, he would have nothing they don't already have but that would also still be a crime because he would have classified documents in his possession that have not been declassified (because of the heavy redactions). But the real problem here is that the DOJ has already outlined the markers on the documents that impelled the warrant to be issued - and we know there are many documents that have nothing at all to do with OH or domestic affairs.

    The best thing Republicans can do is denounce Trump when the evidence is made more clear (and simplified for the public) -- and move on before it's too late, because another Trump candidacy is just another loss. He will never get enough votes in enough states to win.
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  28. #714
    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    1. Trump isn't POTUS. And the issue isn't that the stuff is above his pay grade. It's that he has no right to possess it and to leave it lying around his house where any guest of his might sneak some out. Recall there were empty classified folders among the material taken in the execution of the warrant.

    2. The only person who stole anything was Trump. The seized materials belong to the federal government, excluding some personal stuff.
    I guess it just keeps going back to the same issue -- everybody at the table is bluffing and we're not going to know who takes the pot home until the cards are dealt.

    Gentlemen, play your cards!!
    Psalm 35:7-10, Psalm 109, Isaiah 13:9

  29. #715
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    The best thing Republicans can do is denounce Trump when the evidence is made more clear (and simplified for the public) -- and move on before it's too late, because another Trump candidacy is just another loss. He will never get enough votes in enough states to win.
    Yea but this is also a game that the left has played repeatedly. Accuse something of Trump and have it hanging over his head, all the while saying "you can't prove he's innocent!!", and we're all expected to assume that he's either guilty or has a good chance of guilty, until inevitably it comes out some time later (after elections), that it was all a hoax.

    They've done this too many times to even take it seriously.
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  30. #716
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Remember in 2016 when the left flipped out after Trump said in a debate that he would put Hillary in prison if he got elected?

    The left accused him of threatening to weaponize the justice system against a political enemy...
    Gee, if only Trunp actually kept that promise during his campaign. Otherwise he wouldn't be on the receiving end of this FBI raid. It's his own damn fault why this happened.
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    Calvin Coolidge

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