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  1. #211
    Quote Originally Posted by WisconsinLiberty View Post
    Eric Trump Says Mar-a-Lago Security Cameras Captured FBI Agents Behaving Improperly
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...ng-improperly/

    Eric Trump Says Security Cameras Captured FBI Acting Improperly During Raid
    https://www.newsweek.com/eric-trump-...g-raid-1732672
    Improperly? The guys that were trying on Melania’s clothes were undergoing a gender crisis. It is a hate crime to question that.
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  3. #212
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Improperly? The guys that were trying on Melania’s clothes were undergoing a gender crisis. It is hate crime to question that.

  4. #213
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Improperly? The guys that were trying on Melania’s clothes were undergoing a gender crisis. It is hate crime to question that.

  5. #214
    News now that a bunch of PA R's have been subpoenaed as a part of the Scott Perry thing...

    The more I ponder on these recent events, the more I tend to think it likely that the Democrats have no intention of losing 2022 or 2024, by hook or by crook, as they say. This feels like a coup. They're obviously manufacturing this narrative - it's plain to see, and everyone in the know knows it. So they're not going to allow the Republicans to gain power and turn their tactics right back on them, especially with all the criminal activity that would be easily investigated and prosecuted. Of course, DOJ/FBI are obviously working for them, and changing out the AG or the Director of the FBI won't change any of that.

    Strange and likely bad days ahead, friends. I hope you're all prepared.

  6. #215
    Quote Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty View Post
    News now that a bunch of PA R's have been subpoenaed as a part of the Scott Perry thing...

    The more I ponder on these recent events, the more I tend to think it likely that the Democrats have no intention of losing 2022 or 2024, by hook or by crook, as they say. This feels like a continuation of the coup. They're obviously manufacturing this narrative - it's plain to see, and everyone in the know knows it. So they're not going to allow the Republicans to gain power and turn their tactics right back on them, especially with all the criminal activity that would be easily investigated and prosecuted. Of course, DOJ/FBI are obviously working for them, and changing out the AG or the Director of the FBI won't change any of that.

    Strange and likely bad days ahead, friends. I hope you're all prepared.
    Adjusted that for you, slightly...
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  7. #216
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.



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  9. #217
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Adjusted that for you, slightly...
    What'chu talkin bout?

    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
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  10. #218
    Quote Originally Posted by fcreature View Post
    You say you aren't going to defend Trump like all the "loyalists" are willing to do... okay, fair enough, but why is nearly everything you've just written premised on fake news you would hear from MSNBC?
    Trump made a ton of mistakes his last year in office. Then he went way too hard on the election results fight. January 6th should NOT have happened. Now he's gotten into this - when all he had to do was turn over the docs. He turned over 15 boxes a year after they wanted them, then he kept at least 12 more and when the officials were there in June he should have turned everything over. We have to remember why Trump lost and how he fvucked up Covid-19 and would not leave office with respect. He is a damaged candidate.

    I care more about this country being ruined and about getting rid of the Democrats more than I care about Trump.
    I'm tired of him being a fantasy figure that controls the entire conservative poltical future.
    But like I said many times I will vote for him if that's our choice.

    So - let's hope for the best - whatever that is. I'm not even going to follow this deeply any longer because I'm more concerned about this: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...e-close-to-war
    Last edited by Snowball; 08-11-2022 at 07:05 AM.
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  11. #219
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    Trump made a ton of mistakes his last year in office. Then he went way too hard on the election results fight. January 6th should NOT have happened. Now he's gotten into this - when all he had to do was turn over the docs. He turned over 15 boxes a year after they wanted them, then he kept at least 12 more and when the officials were there in June he should have turned everything over.

    I care more about this country being ruined and about getting rid of the Democrats more than I care about Trump.
    I'm tired of him being a fantasy figure that controls the entire conservative poltical future. But like I said many times I will vote for him if that's our choice.

    So - let's hope for the best - whatever that is.
    I have to disagree that he controls the entire conservative future. He's a small part of it. At most, he gets 4 more years. Then he's done (if he isn't already), and we're still left to deal with the machine that will remain. I hope the machine suffers as much exposure and damage as possible before someone more liberty-oriented takes over. To me, that is the best we can hope for, helpless as we are at present.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
    T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men

    "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato

    We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me

    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm
    I part ways with "libertarianism" when it transitions from ideology grounded in logic into self-defeating autism for the sake of ideological purity.

  12. #220
    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    I have to disagree that he controls the entire conservative future. He's a small part of it. At most, he gets 4 more years. Then he's done (if he isn't already), and we're still left to deal with the machine that will remain. I hope the machine suffers as much exposure and damage as possible before someone more liberty-oriented takes over. To me, that is the best we can hope for, helpless as we are at present.
    Trump and his network may very well may dominate for decades if re-elected- he has a big family with political power ambitions.
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  13. #221
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    Trump made a ton of mistakes his last year in office. Then he went way too hard on the election results fight. January 6th should NOT have happened. Now he's gotten into this - when all he had to do was turn over the docs. He turned over 15 boxes a year after they wanted them, then he kept at least 12 more and when the officials were there in June he should have turned everything over. We have to remember why Trump lost and how he fvucked up Covid-19 and would not leave office with respect. He is a damaged candidate.

    I care more about this country being ruined and about getting rid of the Democrats more than I care about Trump.
    I'm tired of him being a fantasy figure that controls the entire conservative poltical future.
    But like I said many times I will vote for him if that's our choice.

    So - let's hope for the best - whatever that is. I'm not even going to follow this deeply any longer because I'm more concerned about this: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...e-close-to-war
    First, the last election proved that we do not have honest and fair elections and we will never have one again because Americans allowed it to happen (it was caught on video) and will do nothing at all in the next one. Jan 6th should not have happened, it should have been much bigger.
    Second, covid is a man made biological weapon that destroyed the economy, killed off the elderly and eliminated about half of all small business as corporations obtained an even greater monopoly. It was the largest transfer of wealth this country has ever witnessed. Again, Americans did nothing about it and continue to remain passive and wear their face diapers.
    Thirdly, The raid on Trumps home is nothing short of an attack on a political rival we've only seen before in 3rd world countries. Now it's happening here and just like the last election, this country is no better than a 3rd world country.
    There are a lot of other facts to consider as we arm Neo Nazi's and actively fight a proxy war we have no business being in while instigating military responses from the other 2 mightiest empires on this planet....lol....yet still, Americans remain passive and for the most part, supportive....lol.
    As we edge closer to famine and soylent green, I'm thinking nukes might not be so bad after all....lol...and I doubt that if aliens did invade now, they wouldn't think we would make great pets either.
    Last edited by showpan; 08-11-2022 at 05:36 PM.
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  14. #222
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

  15. #223
    Quote Originally Posted by showpan View Post
    ... we do not have honest and fair elections and we will never have one again...
    That's just black-pilling. It's true that the globalists are audacious enough to steal a national election on live television. Audacity will get you places, no doubt... Catch Me If You Can, and all that. But the world is much bigger than audacity. The Cosmos does not run on audacity. So, in the long run, their audacity is not going to get them anywhere except prison or worse.
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  16. #224
    FBI searched Trump’s home to look for nuclear documents and other items, sources say
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...mp-mar-a-lago/
    Classified documents relating to nuclear weapons were among the items FBI agents sought in a search of former president Donald Trump’s Florida residence on Monday, according to people familiar with the investigation.

    Experts in classified information said the unusual search underscores deep concern among government officials about the types of information they thought could be located at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club and potentially in danger of falling into the wrong hands.
    ....
    Material about nuclear weapons is especially sensitive and usually restricted to a small number of government officials, experts said. Publicizing details about U.S. weapons could provide an intelligence road map to adversaries seeking to build ways of countering those systems. And other countries might view exposing their nuclear secrets as a threat, experts said.
    ....
    That former official also said signals intelligence — intercepted electronic communications like emails and phone calls of foreign leaders — was among the type of information that often ended up with unauthorized personnel. Such intercepts are among the most closely guarded secrets because of what they can reveal about how the United States has penetrated foreign governments.

    A person familiar with the inventory of 15 boxes taken from Mar-a-Lago in January indicated that signals intelligence material was included in them. The precise nature of the information was unclear.
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  19. #226
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    [...] That former official also said signals intelligence — intercepted electronic communications like emails and phone calls of foreign leaders — was among the type of information that often ended up with unauthorized personnel. Such intercepts are among the most closely guarded secrets because of what they can reveal about how the United States has penetrated foreign governments.
    TIL signals intelligence "often end[s] up with unauthorized personnel", but is "among the most closely guarded secrets".

    (Do the people who write (or edit) this stuff ever bother to actually read it? )

  20. #227
    Is it weird that people get more excited about this than a certain list, which is well known, that just kind of . . . exists . . . without any scrutiny by the one body that is best situated to give it such?

    It is ridiculous that the FBI is involved in this given the general state of affairs.

  21. #228
    I remember a 10 minute video floating around online some years ago that conclusively connected DJT to the number '88'.

    Anybody else remember that? It even had Casino Biff from Back To The Future 2 film as a portrayal of DJT and the 88 connection. It was a great video but seems to be memory holed now...
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  22. #229
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    The Raid On Donald Trump's Home - Part Of The Problem 892
    On this episode of Part Of The Problem, Dave and Robbie discuss the Raid on Donald Trump's Florida home and what it means for American politics moving forward!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiVEPVJNjvQ
    //

  23. #230
    The parent source article from "The Washington Post" (not to be confused with the former newspaper of the same name) is truncated below:

    Classified documents relating to nuclear weapons were among the items FBI agents sought in a search of former president Donald Trump’s Florida residence on Monday, according to people familiar with the investigation. Experts in classified information said the unusual search underscores deep concern among government officials about the types of information they thought could be located at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club and potentially in danger of falling into the wrong hands.
    The people who described some of the material that agents were seeking spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation. They did not offer additional details about what type of information the agents were seeking, including whether it involved weapons belonging to the United States or some other nation. Nor did they say if such documents were recovered as part of the search. A Trump spokesman did not respond to a request for comment. The Justice Department and FBI declined to comment.

    link:https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...mp-mar-a-lago/

    Reasons why this is deliberate disinformation

    The day after the raid, I tuned in to CNN to hear what their side was saying about this. Woudn't you know, multiple times, one of their "experts" said that they "can't imagine" the AG Garland signing the warrant without there being grave import to national security. Information that "cannot fall into the hands of civilians".

    Everything that is recorded and viewed "live" on these networks is digitally fed into a pre-screening filter run by the CIA and Pentagon. Although the filter, conducted and operated by actual agents, is mere seconds, it is enough for the agents to immediately mute or kill what is being said or shown. Additionallly, it is from the CIA and similar agencies that "anonymous" information, most often not information at all, but propaganda, is disseminted by the captured press to the gullible public.

    Since the agencies are currently staffed by so many Democrats, the party line is going to be promoted. With this objective of imbuing legitimacy and import to the rubber stamp of AG Garland, they have distributed the propaganda to the Washington Post, which is no loger run by actual journalists, but by appointees of Bezos and agency plants. No additional details, of course. Mission accomplished. Excuse provided. Next.

    "Experts" (see above). "People who described" (descriptions are in the warrant list. The warrant list contains, according to themselves, something I recall hearing them say days ago - a long list of actual documents sought, some classified, and another list of UNNAMABLE documents which, as I heard either John Dean or Carl Bernstein say "are so classified that you cannot even list them as classified" -- that is the black ops, the concealed history, UFOs, JFK, 911, and so on. So, as long as merely one of the long list of sought - and listed - documents is relevant to American OR foreign nuclear weapons, in any way, that's all they have really said here. Therefore, the public hast been deceived by omission and by inaccurate emphasis.
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  24. #231
    It's looking more and more like the documents they were fishing for was about Operation Cross-fire Hurricane.
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  28. #234
    I keep hearing this is unprecedented. As far as "former president" goes, it is. But as far as "potential candidate" goes, it all depends, doesn't it? Is the candidate of a non-officially-approved party a candidate or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

  29. #235
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    I keep hearing this is unprecedented. As far as "former president" goes, it is. But as far as "potential candidate" goes, it all depends, doesn't it? Is the candidate of a non-officially-approved party a candidate or not?
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  30. #236
    I still fail to find any actual crime alleged..

    I can only find allegations of conspiracies,, with no articulated crime beyond being Donald Trump.

    and I can not conceive how a search Warrant could possibly be Valid. as a warrant must be specific,, and of correct Jurisdiction..

    I can't see any way there could be a Valid Warrant based on an anonymous Tip. from another Jurisdiction.


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  31. #237
    Mises Wire -- My Time with the FBI by James Bovard, 09/25/2021
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  32. #238


    You can kinda see why people like working for the FBI. I've never been paid to go fishing in Florida.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 08-12-2022 at 05:05 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

  33. #239
    A Democrat-friendly cartoon that could totally be recycled and repurposed today. Just substitute a donkey and CNN.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

  34. #240
    Yeah, serving a warrant on an ex-president is new. But nothing else here is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.



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