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  1. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Seems to me that if Desantis was everything I'm told he is, he wouldn't be preparing to run for president of the U.S. He'd be running for President of Florida.
    Who said anything about DeSantis? JFC ...

    And In any case, I haven't been told anything at all about him that makes me think he'd rather be POFL instead of POTUS.

    If anything, I would expect the opposite is the case. But so what? If he can't or won't get with the program, then to hell with him, too.

    I'm just going to appreciate the fact that a sitting state rep - one with whom I quite probably vehemently disagree, over a number of other things - is strongly advocating exactly the right sort of stance with regard to the feds (and I'm going to do it without trying to find something else to piss and moan about).

  4. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Who said anything about DeSantis? JFC ...
    Sorry. Somehow I forgot that it was possible to mention Florida and not say his name.
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  5. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Who said anything about DeSantis? JFC ...

    And In any case, I haven't been told anything at all about him that makes me think he'd rather be POFL instead of POTUS.

    If anything, I would expect the opposite is the case. But so what? If he can't or won't get with the program, then to hell with him, too.

    I'm just going to appreciate the fact that a sitting state rep - one with whom I quite probably vehemently disagree, over a number of other things - is strongly advocating exactly the right sort of stance with regard to the feds (and I'm going to do it without trying to find something else to piss and moan about).
    That's considered when you 'call a spade a spade.'

    And even Ron Paul is able to do that.
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    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
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  6. #95
    Even Jimmy gets it:



    Jimmy is no fan of Trump, but a spade is a spade.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
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  7. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by WisconsinLiberty View Post
    FBI Raid on Trump Designed to Stop Him Running in 2024

    Infowars | Paul Joseph Watson
    August 9th 2022


    The FBI raid on Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate is specifically designed to stop him from running for president again in 2024, legal experts have concluded.

    Trump’s Palm Beach property was raided by the feds last night as part of a supposed investigation into Trump taking classified documents when he left office.

    The Biden Regime dubiously claimed it had no advance knowledge of the raid, which has overwhelmingly been characterized by Republicans as politically motivated.

    According to legal experts, the raid is clearly intended to be part of an effort to charge Trump with mishandling White House records, which would stop him from being able to run for president in 2024.

    “If Trump is convicted under this federal statute, he would be prohibited from holding any office including the office of the president,” said former federal prosecutor Neama Rahmani.

    “That would be huge,” he added.

    Trump would face charges under US Code Title 18, Section 2071, which states, anyone who “willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record,” faces a fine and up to three years in prison.

    The provision mandates that the person responsible “shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States.”
    ...


    It's hilarious this is all so similar to one of Hillary's worst faux pas, right down to happening in the bathroom. If all this keeps Hillary from running again, I say it's tax dollars about as well spent as you can hope for.
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  9. #97
    Psalm 35:7-10, Psalm 109, Isaiah 13:9

  10. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by WisconsinLiberty View Post
    FBI Raid on Trump Designed to Stop Him Running in 2024

    Infowars | Paul Joseph Watson
    August 9th 2022


    The FBI raid on Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate is specifically designed to stop him from running for president again in 2024, legal experts have concluded.

    Trump’s Palm Beach property was raided by the feds last night as part of a supposed investigation into Trump taking classified documents when he left office.

    The Biden Regime dubiously claimed it had no advance knowledge of the raid, which has overwhelmingly been characterized by Republicans as politically motivated.

    According to legal experts, the raid is clearly intended to be part of an effort to charge Trump with mishandling White House records, which would stop him from being able to run for president in 2024.

    “If Trump is convicted under this federal statute, he would be prohibited from holding any office including the office of the president,” said former federal prosecutor Neama Rahmani.

    “That would be huge,” he added.

    Trump would face charges under US Code Title 18, Section 2071, which states, anyone who “willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record,” faces a fine and up to three years in prison.

    The provision mandates that the person responsible “shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States.”
    ...
    Hmmm...eliminating opposing candidates, entrapment, seems to be a pattern.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    What an interesting coincidence. Another interesting coincidence is that the FBI chief who was in charge of the Whitmer kidnapping plot was also in charge of the Trump Mar A Lago raid.
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  11. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    What an interesting coincidence. Another interesting coincidence is that the FBI chief who was in charge of the Whitmer kidnapping plot was also in charge of the Trump Mar A Lago raid.
    I wonder how long it would stay up if he were listed as a hatchet man on his Wiki page?
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  12. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Yes, this is how it is done.

    I can think of no better use of the proposed Florida State Guard than enforcing such a proposal...aside from standing guard at Mar-A-Lago perhaps.
    "Truly, whoever can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire

  13. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Beautiful, delicious division. Trump is the gift that keeps on giving
    The nation's self segregation continues unabated.
    "Truly, whoever can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire

  14. #102
    Rep. Anthony Sabatini Calls for the Florida State Government to Break All Ties with the Department of Justice

    The days of America operating like a respectable republic based on the rule of law ended with the FBI’s raid of former President Donald Trump’s residence in Mar-a-Lago on August 8, 2022.

    Those who were led to believe that the FBI is a “neutral” and “impartial” institution received a hard dose of reality on this fateful day. Wishful thinking goes out the window when one stares down the barrel of gross tyranny
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  15. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by WisconsinLiberty View Post
    Rep. Anthony Sabatini Calls for the Florida State Government to Break All Ties with the Department of Justice

    The days of America operating like a respectable republic based on the rule of law ended with the FBI’s raid of former President Donald Trump’s residence in Mar-a-Lago on August 8, 2022.

    Those who were led to believe that the FBI is a “neutral” and “impartial” institution received a hard dose of reality on this fateful day. Wishful thinking goes out the window when one stares down the barrel of gross tyranny
    ...
    He threw the right rock in the water. This is the splash we need to make.
    "Pity we didn't nominate Rand Paul--a man who actually has the Alpha Cojones to put his life on the line, but unfortunately lacks the bad taste necessary to brag about them."-- acptulsa

  16. #104
    Last edited by acptulsa; 08-09-2022 at 12:08 PM.
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  18. #105

    https://twitter.com/1WitchyChick/sta...34691416449025
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  19. #106
    Armed Federal agents busted into former President Trump's Florida house last night, ostensibly to seek classified documents that were to be turned in to the National Archives. What's behind this unprecedented move? Also today: Biden sends Ukraine $4 billion...to help with their budget! And finally: media races to claim Biden chalking up victories. Why?

    https://rumble.com/v1fd5z1-police-st...ump-house.html

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  20. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post

    https://twitter.com/1WitchyChick/sta...34691416449025
    Bring it Tim...enough talk in a bag...say when.

    I $#@!ing dare you.
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  21. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    If the following is true, then it may be "mission accomplished", and tossing him in the klink would just be extra gravy.

    https://twitter.com/KenGardner11/sta...96742884474881
    https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?...edition=prelim
    No, 18 U.S.C. § 2071 Cannot Disqualify Trump From The Presidency
    That statute disqualifies a person from "holding any office under the United States."
    https://reason.com/volokh/2022/08/08...he-presidency/
    Josh Blackman (08 August 2022)

    According to reports, the FBI searched Mar-A-Lago as part of an investigation about the handling of classified documents. Will this be the action that finally stops Trump? Several progressive commentators gleefully pointed to 18 U.S.C. § 2071. It provides:

    Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term "office" does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.

    If Trump is convicted of violating this statute, can he be disqualified from the presidency? No. And my colleague Seth Barrett Tillman wrote about this precise issue in 2015. At the time, conservative commentators, including former Attorney General Michael Mukasey, argued that Hillary Clinton could be disqualified from the presidency due to the storage of classified materials on her private email server. Seth explained that Mukasey's argument does not work.

    Under Powell v. McCormack and U.S. Term Limits v. Thornton, Congress and the states cannot "add to the express textual qualifications for House and Senate seats in Article I." And that reasoning, Seth concluded, would seem to apply to the qualifications for the presidency in Article II. Several courts in the Seventh Circuit, and elsewhere, reached that same conclusion.

    On this blog, Mukasey later admitted that Tillman was correct, and he was wrong:

    [O]n reflection . . . Professor Tillman's [analysis] is spot on, and mine was mistaken. . . . The disqualification provision in Section 2071 may be a measure of how seriously Congress took the violation in question, and how seriously we should take it, but that's all it is.

    Tonight, Charlie Savage of the New York Times recounted this history in an article on the Trump search.

    Some Republicans were briefly entranced with whether the law could keep Mrs. Clinton out of the White House, including Michael Mukasey, a former attorney general in the administration of George W. Bush. So was at least one conservative think tank.

    But in considering that situation, several legal scholars — including Seth B. Tillman of Maynouth University in Ireland and Eugene Volokh of the University of California, Los Angeles — noted that the Constitution sets eligibility criteria for who can be president, and argued that Supreme Court rulings suggest Congress cannot alter it. The Constitution allows Congress to disqualify people from holding office in impeachment proceedings, but grants no such power for ordinary criminal law.

    Mr. Volokh later reported on his blog that Mr. Mukasey — who is also a former federal judge — wrote that "upon reflection," Mr. Mukasey had been mistaken and Mr. Tillman's analysis was "spot on." (Mrs. Clinton was never charged with any crime related to her use of the server.)

    Once again, Tillman rebuts an argument that conservatives favored as a way to get Clinton, that liberals now favor as a way to get Trump. There is nothing new under the sun.

    Back in 2015, Seth did not have to make the argument that the Presidency is not an "office under the United States" for purposes of Section 2071. But Seth and I did consider another statute, 18 U.S.C. § 2383, which also disqualifies a person from "holding any office under the United States." In an article published shortly after the inauguration, we addressed what happens if the Biden administration prosecutes and convicts Trump of insurrection. That article is suddenly relevant to our present moment.

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  23. #110
    Also, this whole law business about concealing documents. Isn't that just a factor if it's the only copy of said documents ? As a mere question of law, not specifically related to this case, I'm just interested what the actual deal is.
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  24. #111
    This is just as relevant now as it was when it came out (3.5 years ago):

    It's Time to Fire the FBI: A Rant
    Quick, what's the Russian word for 'Bureaucratic Redundancy'?
    https://odysee.com/@RazorFist:1/it-s...e-fbi-a-rant:8

  25. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by luctor-et-emergo View Post
    Also, this whole law business about concealing documents. Isn't that just a factor if it's the only copy of said documents ? As a mere question of law, not specifically related to this case, I'm just interested what the actual deal is.
    Not necessarily, where national security is concerned.
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  28. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    The Judge is great, but at this point, he has been through the FBI wringer, and that has to effect his ability to speak freely.
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  29. #115

    https://twitter.com/USAB4L/status/1557122449833172993
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  30. #116
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The Judge is great, but at this point, he has been through the FBI wringer, and that has to effect his ability to speak freely.
    I must not have been paying attention. What you talking about
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  31. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Seems likely, all considered
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  32. #118
    Breitbart:

    Sen. Marsha Blackburn Blasts FBI for Raiding Trump but Not Obama, Clinton
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...obama-clinton/

    Thomas Massie: A President Just Raided a Former President, His Political Opponent
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...ical-opponent/

    Republicans Blast ‘Weaponization’ of FBI Against Trump: ‘Imagine What 87K More IRS Agents Will Do to You’
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...7k-irs-agents/

    Kevin McCarthy Announces Merrick Garland Under Investigation: ‘Preserve Your Documents and Clear Your Calendar'
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...your-calendar/

    Hawley: Attorney General Merrick Garland ‘Must Resign’ After Raid on Trump’s Home
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...d-trumps-home/
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  33. #119
    Most people on this cannot see past their political bias blinders.

    Fact is, it has nothing to do with political bias, either way. Trump knew for months they could do this. Did he set it up with Wray tipping him off ? Or did Wray not tip him off ? That matters. What else matters is that documents belonging to the United States are not the property of Donald J. Trump, they are the property of the United States. We can be sober-minded about this, and perceptive, or we can be mentally abused for political purposes, and that swings both ways. Don't be used. All I'm saying.
    "For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy ... Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed." - J.F.K.

  34. #120
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    I must not have been paying attention. What you talking about
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