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    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    Jesus wouldn't live up to many libertarian's expectations of US President. Look at the money scammed in his name? Who can I sue?
    Oh, Trump's whipped and speared and hung on a cross now? Thorny crown and all?

    Please spare me the Donald Christ horse $#@!.
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    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.



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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Oh, Trump's whipped and speared and hung on a cross now? Thorny crown and all?

    Please spare me the Donald Christ horse $#@!.
    My comment is not meant to compare DJT to JC. It is merely a comment that if Jesus Christ or God were United States President, Libertarians would find fault with him.



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    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    My comment is not meant to compare DJT to JC. It is merely a comment that if Jesus Christ or God were United States President, Libertarians would find fault with him.
    What makes you say that? The fact that a couple of the people slobbering all over Trump today spent the last several years here, claiming to be libertarian, and constantly harping on the Doctors Paul, Massie, Amash, and Glen Bradley, among others?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    I have no way of knowing that they really are. I've seen other things happen on TV that never actually happened. They were acted out on things called soap operas.

    I've also seen those people who believe the soap operas are all real, and get downright arrogant toward those who don't. These people actually think people who find the soap operas rather fictional just can't follow the plot...
    Whatever dude. You are so far gone with Trump Derangement Syndrome that you think everyone is a crisis actor. You remind me of a person that once told me Ron Paul and actor Ian McKellen are the same person, you can tell by the ears! Nothing is real. Hell I even remember people saying Ron Paul was just as bad as everyone else in Congress because of earmarks on bills. We can't trust anyone or anything, its all a trap!

    I haven't actually been to the moon so I can't verify that an American flag was really placed there, but I do believe it was. If I am wrong, so be it.

    I can't actually verify that Trump and Cheney and Obama and Biden aren't all secretly working together, but I just think it is a stupid theory. I mainly say that because of how I has seen everything play out since 2015. It looks to me like things have changed, if you don't see it, I really don't have any interest in attempting to convince you of anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    I can't actually verify that Trump and Cheney and Obama and Biden aren't all secretly working together, but I just think it is a stupid theory. I mainly say that because of how I has seen everything play out since 2015. It looks to me like things have changed, if you don't see it, I really don't have any interest in attempting to convince you of anything.
    Of course you don't. You know I can verify that Trump is in league with the most evil people of the age, and no one pays you to sit here and get your nose rubbed in just how untenable your stated position really is.

    So, yeah. If you want to go all Sir Robin, I understand.

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    - Trump, Pelosi Attempting A "Replacement Government" Coup? (Starts at 21 minutes 10 seconds)






    - Jan 20, 2021 Trump Revokes Lobbying Ban He Signed At The Beginning Of His Presidency
    President Donald Trump, in one of his last acts as president, revoked his own executive order requiring federal government appointees to sign a pledge to not lobby the agencies in which they worked for five years after leaving the administration.
    forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2021/01/20/trump-revokes-lobbying-ban-he-signed-at-the-beginning-of-his-presidency/

    - Trump rails against GOP congressman who signaled support for forcing roll-call vote on coronavirus stimulus deal

    March 27, 2020

    (CNN)President Donald Trump suggested that a Republican congressman be unseated for potentially jeopardizing the passage of the $2 trillion stimulus package, which will provide Americans economic relief amid the coronavirus pandemic.

    In an attack against a member of his own party, Trump called Rep. Thomas Massie a "third rate Grandstander" and claimed the Kentucky Republican "just wants the publicity" after threatening a roll-call vote, which would require members travel back to the US Capitol to vote in person...

    ...He added, "WIN BACK HOUSE, but throw Massie out of Republican Party!"...
    https://www.rollcall.com/2020/03/27/...ut-of-the-gop/


    - President Trump promised in the 2016 campaign to eliminate the federal debt over a two-term presidency. That pledge won't come to fruition, and, in fact, he will leave office having added massively to the debt.

    “His tenure has been marked by a total disregard for any concern about mounting debt", said Jim Capretta, a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, a right-leaning think tank in Washington, D.C.

    When Trump was inaugurated on Jan. 20, 2017, the total national debt was nearly $20 trillion, according to the Treasury Department. It has increased over roughly 30% since, nearly $8 trillion, to $27 trillion, as of Monday.

    For comparison, President Barack Obama added roughly $9 trillion to the national debt during his eight years in office, according to the Treasury Department.

    Before Trump took office, he railed against the debt. Shortly before winning the White House, he likened its high level to a “time bomb.”
    “I will tell you, we are sitting on a time bomb,” he told CBS in June 2016, adding that “I don’t like debt for the country.”

    Trump in 2016 vowed to eliminate the federal debt over an eight-year period. At the time, the federal government's debt was over $19 trillion, and most economists thought Trump's pledge ludicrous.

    To Capretta, Trump’s actions have been fiscally reckless.

    “Trump saw that it would be to his political advantage to be very liberal in terms of spending and tax reductions happening simultaneously,” he said.

    In his first year of entering office, Trump signed into law a tax overhaul bill that added $1.9 trillion to the debt over a 10-year period, according to the Congressional Budget Office, the bookkeeper for Congress.

    He also increased annual spending, by nearly $800 Billion, from $3.85 trillion in 2016 to $4.65 trillion in 2020 (before pandemic relief), according to the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, a nonpartisan organization that examines the spending habits in Washington.

    Then came the federal response to the pandemic, which drained federal coffers by $1.76 Trillion, according to the CBO.

    Obama, too, increased spending to address a crisis, namely the Great Recession. He signed into law the "American Recovery and Reinvestment Act," also known as the stimulus, that added $787 billion to the annual deficit. The deficit is the difference between spending and revenues in a given year, while the debt represents accrued deficits.

    Trump signed all of these bills into law without trying to reduce the amount of red ink that he was creating, according to Capretta.
    “He never really pressed any kind of fiscal policy onto Congress,” he said.

    Congress plays an integral role in the tax cuts and spending increases that are enacted into law and could have pressed for more fiscal responsibility in the bills that were passed.

    Meanwhile, the trajectory of the debt is upward, according to the CBO. By the end of 2020, federal debt held by the public is projected to equal 98% of GDP, compared to 79% at the end of 2019 and 35% at the end of 2007.
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...-debt-one-term


    Trump decries "Reckless anti-vaccine rhetoric, anti-vaccine conspiracy theories"

    Trump White House orders FDA chief to authorize Pfizer vaccine by Friday or submit his resignation

    Trump: Vax a "Medical Miracle" -"I pushed the FDA Like Nobody's Been Pushed Before"

    Trump administration: Employers can require workers to get COVID-19 vaccine


    - On December 27, 2020 Donald Trump signed the "Stimulus" Bill providing a few hundred dollars to the people and Billions to Bill Gates' GAVI Alliance and Globalist initiatives.
    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronso...hecks-n2582178

    - In February, the Trump administration had promised to commit $1.16 billion to Gavi over fiscal years 2020-2023. The new funds are a sizable increase but in line with the historical role that the United States has played in the Gavi alliance. Over the years, the U.S. has contributed 13.7% of the group’s operating budget — $1.4 billion between 2016 and 2020.
    https://www.usaid.gov/news-informati...tribution-gavi

    - Bill Gates Led Effort To Get $3.36 Billion Into The Coronavirus Deal
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/coron...132249063.html

    - Operation Warp Speed (OWS) is a Public–Private partnership, initiated by Donald Trump to facilitate and accelerate the development, manufacturing, and distribution of COVID-19 vaccines. On March 27 nearly $10 Billion for Operation Warp Speed through the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security (CARES) Act.

    Moncef Slaoui was interviewed and named in May 2020 by the Trump Administration as Operation Warp Speed chief adviser. Slaoui, Moderna Board Member, was formerly Chairman of Global Research and Development and Chairman of Global Vaccines at GlaxoSmithKline. The project has military officers involved in management of the key focus areas of development, manufacturing, and distribution. Slaoui was formerly partnered with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

    Awarded Moderna $1 Billion and $1.6 Billion to Novavax. BARDA participates in the Department of Defense (DoD) and the United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS).



    - Trump Escalates Killer Drone War And No One Seems To Care

    The Trump administration has significantly increased the tempo of drone strikes in a number of countries, and it has relaxed the rules governing the targeting of these strikes. The result has been an increased number of civilian casualties with even less accountability than before and no redress for the innocent people caught in the middle of our endless wars.

    The U.S. government restricts the information that is publicly available about these attacks, and that in turn ensures that there is very little public scrutiny or criticism of an open-ended military campaign. To make matters worse, the additional strikes seem to have done nothing to reduce the activities of Al-Shabaab, and instead the threat posed by the group is greater than before.

    The drone war in Somalia is just one part of this campaign, and it exemplifies what is wrong with the open-ended “war on terror.” Like the other wars he inherited, President Trump has significantly escalated it. Through the end of 2019, there had already been 148 U.S. strikes launched in Somalia since Trump took office. In just the first half of 2020, there have been as many U.S. drone strikes in Somalia (40) as there were between 2007 and 2016. In less than three and a half years, Trump has more than quadrupled the number of attacks in Somalia ordered by his last two predecessors. https://www.theamericanconservative....seems-to-care/



    - As president, Trump declared "Emergency" Spending Bill containing:

    Page 188
    8 (h) REFUGEE ASSISTANCE IN NORTH AFRICA.-Not
    9 later than 45 days after enactment of this Act, the Secretary
    10 of State, after consultation with the United Nations
    11 High Commissioner for Refugees and the Executive Direc-
    12 tor of the World Food Programme, shall submit a report
    13 to the Committees on Appropriations describing steps
    14 taken to strengthen monitoring of the delivery of humani-
    15 tarian assistance provided for refugees in North Africa,
    16 including any steps taken to ensure that all vulnerable ref-
    17 ugees are receiving such assistance.

    Page 255
    12 (k) TRANSFER OF FUNDS.-Of the funds appro-
    13 priated by this Act under the heading "Economic Support
    14 Fund", $25,000,000 shall be transferred to, and merged
    15 with, funds appropriated under the heading "International
    16 Organizations and Programs", of which $23,000,000 shall
    17 be for a contribution to support the United Nations resi-
    18 dent coordinator system and $2,000,000 shall be for a
    19 contribution to the Montreal Protocol Multilateral Fund.

    Page 314
    6 UNITED NATIONS POPULATION FUND
    7 SEC. 7072. (a) CONTRIBUTION.-Of the funds made
    8 available under the heading "International Organizations
    9 and Programs" in this Act for fiscal year 2019,
    10 $32,500,000 shall be made available for the United Na-
    11 tions Population Fund (UNFP A).
    12 (b) AVAILABILITY OF FUNDS.-Funds appropriated
    13 by this Act for UNFPA, that are not made available for
    14 UNFP A because of the operation of any provision of law,
    15 shall be transferred to the "Global Health Programs" ac-
    16 count and shall be made available for family planning, ma-
    17 ternal, and reproductive health activities, subject to the
    18 regular notification procedures of the Committees on Ap-
    19 propriations.

    https://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek...T-116hrpt9.pdf


    - As president, Donald Trump signed USMCA (NAFTA replacement), an anti-Free trade agreement, containing language such as Government Tribunals, Sustainable Development and International Labour Organization which is a United Nations Agency. https://ustr.gov/trade-agreements/fr...eement-between

    - As president, Trump: “Just signed 702 Bill to reauthorize foreign intelligence collection,” Trump wrote on Twitter, referring to legislation passed by the U.S. Congress that extends Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). The law renews for six years and with minimal changes the National Security Agency (NSA) program.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1F82MK


    - President Trump remained completely silent when Amazon announced that it was providing free Facial Recognition Technology to the city of Orlando – technology that keeps the city’s residents under 24/7 constant surveillance - violating the very 4th and 5th Amendments he swore to protect. https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...free-by-amazon

    - As president, Donald Trump promised to complete the Biometric Identification system that will track every person by land, sea and air, which will be recorded permanently in a national government database. The United Nations goal is to implement Biometric Identification to every man, woman and child by 2030. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WLRZbRllKo

    - During Trumps presidency, TSA announced Biometric Identification will be implemented not only for international flights, but now a Domestic Blueprint across all 50 states. https://www.tsa.gov/news/releases/20...ics-technology

    - As president, on September 20, 2018, President Donald Trump told attendees at a chiefs of police convention that he has instructed the Justice Department to work toward reinstating “Stop and Frisk”, violating Constitutional protections. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/08/trum...g-tactics.html

    - As president, Trump authorized and implemented on October 03, 2018 a “Presidential Alert” via FEMA to all capable privately-owned cell phones in the United States, according to Cyber Expert John McAfee, accessing the E911 chip in your phones – can give full access to location, microphone, camera and every function of a phone. https://theantimedia.com/mcafee-presidential-alert/

    - As president, Trump nominated Brett Kavanaugh, who is ANTI 1st 4th and 5th Amenedments, for the U.S. Supreme Court. Kavinaugh was instrumental in passing the Patriot Act among other anti BoR rulings. https://youtu.be/OiObm7dtcyA

    - As president, Trump appointed John Bolton as National Security Advisor https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...r-trump-481721

    - As president, Trump threatened to veto, but instead and without hesitation, signed a $1.3 Trillion 2018 Omnibus providing:

    - $500 Million to Planned Parenthood.
    - $1.371 Billion for Contributions to International Organizations
    - $51 Million to promote International Family Planning
    - $7 Million promoting International Conservation
    - $10 Million for UN Environmental Programs
    - Internal Revenue Service: Despite the administration’s attempts to slash its budget, the
    Omni-Bus grants $11.431 Billion to the nation’s tax collectors, a $196 million year-to-year
    increase and $456 Million more than Trump requested.
    - Arts: Federal funding for the arts goes up, despite GOP attempts to slash it. The National
    Endowments for the Arts and Humanities will see funding climb to $152.8 Million each, a $3
    Million increase over the last fiscal year. The National Gallery of Art gets $165.9 Million, a $1.04
    Million jump in funding. The John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts will receive $40.5
    Million, which is $4 Million more than the last fiscal year.
    - $12 Million for Scholarships for Lebanon
    - $20 Million for Middle East Partnership Initiative Scholarship Program
    - $12 Million in military funding for Vietnam
    - $15 Million in Developmental assistance to China
    - $10 Million for Women LEOs in Afghanistan

    - Sen. Dianne Feinstein in 2017 introduced legislation to ban the sale and possession of bump-stocks. Her bill went nowhere. As president, Trump stated: Obama Administration legalized bump stocks. BAD IDEA. As I promised, today the Department of Justice will issue the rule banning BUMP STOCKS (March 23, 2018) https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dr...-obamas-fault/

    - As president, Trump publicly backed raising the minimum age to purchase semi-automatic weapons to 21: https://redstate.com/arbogast/2018/0...fles-21-n85275 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpgk8hecKyc

    - Trump Goes Full Sanders — Calls for Increasing Minimum Wage and Higher Taxes - http://thefreethoughtproject.com/tru...-higher-taxes/

    - Donald Trump Donated to Kamala Harris' Campaign Not Once, But Twice - https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...en-2020-8?op=1

    - Real estate magnate Donald Trump gave at least $100,000 to the Clinton Foundation while his daughter Ivanka Trump donated between $5,001 and $10,000, the Hill reported. Trump also donated to Hillary Clinton’s New York Senate campaign - http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/abc-news-...IlJIQrKuGvt.99

    - Trump has given $541,650 to federal Democratic candidates and fundraising committees going back to 1990, according to data from the Center for Responsive Politics. He's handed out money to Democratic statewide candidates as well. In 2009, for instance, Trump cut a $25,000 check to former Democratic National Committee chairman Terry McAuliffe for his unsuccessful 2009 Virginia gubernatorial bid. But as Republicans and Tea Party activists nationwide were working to take back the House and Senate in 2010, Trump was also handing out checks to top Democratic incumbents: $4,800 to Reid, $2,000 to Florida Sen. Bill Nelson and more than $8,000 total to New York's two senators, Charles Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand.

    Over the last two decades, Trump gave money to a number of high-profile Democrats and liberal icons, including Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, Tom Daschle and Joe Biden. The biggest recipient of Trump's largesse? The scandal-plagued Rangel, who has taken $24,750 from Trump since the 1990 election cycle. - https://dailycaller.com/2015/06/03/d...losi-in-power/

    - Donald Trump predicted Wednesday night that Hillary Clinton will take one more shot at winning the White House in 2016, and declined to rule out the possibility of throwing his support behind the former presidential candidate. “Hillary Clinton, I think, is a terrific woman,” Trump said in an interview with Greta Van Susteren on Fox News. “I am biased because I have known her for years. I live in New York, she lives in New York, and I’ve known her and her husband for years and I really like them both a lot.”

    Praising the secretary of state for being a hard worker and for having done a “good job” since joining the Obama administration, Trump said he expects Clinton to run for office again.
    “I think assuming she is healthy, which I hope she will be, I think she runs after the next four years, I would imagine,” he said. - http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz3e5yzzwUv

    - TRUMPED: The Donald, The Widow and Eminent Domain:






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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Of course you don't. You know I can verify that Trump is in league with the most evil people of the age, and no one pays you to sit here and get your nose rubbed in just how untenable your stated position really is.

    So, yeah. If you want to go all Sir Robin, I understand.



    "All I know is what I read in the newspapers, and that's an alibi for my ignorance."--Will Rogers
    Enjoy your conspiracy theory, it doesn't matter to me.

    What does matter to me is that more voters than ever before now see the federal government as a corrupt problem. They see the media as completely fake. I see that neocons are not conservative. They see that Marxism is a major problem that must be confronted.

    Even if your theory is true, the benefits of the Trump presidency still remain. We would not have these benefits if Jeb! had been elected instead.

    I appreciate that the majority of Republican voters have woken up to the threat of the Marxist hoard. We didn't have these results in 2008 or 2012 and I am grateful that we now do.
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    I appreciate that the majority of Republican voters have woken up to the threat of the Marxist hoard. We didn't have these results in 2008 or 2012 and I am grateful that we now do.
    What we did in 2008 and 2012 had a momentum all its own. Trump succeed in stealing our thunder and used it to shove the dollar off the cliff, and get away with paying Big Pharma to prepare plenty of that poison. You allude to your innumerable mysterious benefits, but I saw people I loved pay the heaviest price of all for The Jab.

    This isn't a conspiracy theory. Trump admitted it all. He bragged about it. He'd probably try to tell you it was Brandon continuing to print the $#@! out of the dollar that sent it on over the cliff. Brandon couldn't have done it without him. He caused conservatives to go along with terribly destructive things they could have stopped. But in any case, he has bragged about the rest of it.

    He didn't build any momentum. He didn't fundamentally change any conversation, though he talked about things no president has spoken of before, as they all do. He just redirected the momentum we built to terrible ends. And he can't help us do anything good now, not even pick up the pieces.

    We would not have these benefits if Jeb! were elected. You mean, no jab, no myocarditis, no crippling inflation? Are you seriously trying to make me nostalgic for the good old Bush years? I don't think you're trying to say that if we hadn't turned sour on the Bushes, the Official Family of the CIA, we wouldn't be getting punished this way. But given the deplorable situation Trump left this nation in, that seems to be the jist of it. Wouldn't have all these benefits with Jeb. Jeb could use that as a campaign slogan.
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    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    What we did in 2008 and 2012 had a momentum all its own. Trump succeed in stealing our thunder and used it to shove the dollar off the cliff, and get away with paying Big Pharma to prepare plenty of that poison. You allude to your innumerable mysterious benefits, but I saw people I loved pay the heaviest price of all for The Jab.

    This isn't a conspiracy theory. Trump admitted it all. He bragged about it. He'd probably try to tell you it was Brandon continuing to print the $#@! out of the dollar that sent it on over the cliff. Brandon couldn't have done it without him. He caused conservatives to go along with terribly destructive things they could have stopped. But in any case, he has bragged about the rest of it.

    He didn't build any momentum. He didn't fundamentally change any conversation, though he talked about things no president has spoken of before, as they all do. He just redirected the momentum we built to terrible ends. And he can't help us do anything good now, not even pick up the pieces.

    We would not have these benefits if Jeb! were elected. You mean, no jab, no myocarditis, no crippling inflation? Are you seriously trying to make me nostalgic for the good old Bush years? I don't think you're trying to say that if we hadn't turned sour on the Bushes, the Official Family of the CIA, we wouldn't be getting punished this way. But given the deplorable situation Trump left this nation in, that seems to be the jist of it. Wouldn't have all these benefits with Jeb. Jeb could use that as a campaign slogan.
    I wonder why you give the Marxist Democrats and neocons a complete pass for their actions...
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    I wonder why you give the Marxist Democrats and neocons a complete pass for their actions...
    I wonder if you'd care to back that $#@! up.

    And no, "You don't harp on them even in threads about Trump" isn't backing that $#@! up. Calling out one former president for doing boneheaded stuff without dragging every other president who did bonehead plays into the conversation isn't letting anybody off the hook.

    I said Brandon couldn't have done what was done without Trump. How is this a compliment? Tell me, I'm curious.
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    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    I wonder if you'd care to back that $#@! up.

    And no, "You don't harp on them even in threads about Trump" isn't backing that $#@! up. Calling out one former president for doing boneheaded stuff without dragging every other president who did bonehead plays into the conversation isn't letting anybody off the hook.

    I said Brandon couldn't have done what was done without Trump. How is this a compliment? Tell me, I'm curious.
    I just notice that your TDS leads you to blame the president for appropriations, which actually come from the House of Representatives.

    Clearly Trump is not fiscally conservative, nor is he a follower of Austrian economics. His overlap with libertarian values is minimal.

    At the same time Trump did some good things and what I like best is that he got the mass of Republican voters to focus on the Marxism problem. This is something that looked to be out of reach in 2008.

    You seem awfully butthurt that Trump gets credit for voters waking up and I just don't care about who gets credit. I just appreciate the results, like Kari Lake beating an establishment goon like Karrin Robson.

    “You go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time.” Now even though this quote is from the piece of crap Donald Rumsfeld, it still applies as far as I am concerned.

    I see a movement of a new right that is rejecting the neocons and wants to fight the Marxists. I see allies. I see overlap. Getting people on board with Austrian economics can come out of this alliance. Bringing voters more toward a libertarian position is a real possibility. I am not interested in $#@!ting on this alliance. It looks to me as the best path toward liberty.

    You keep doing your TDS thing though, I am sure that will help defeat the communists somehow.
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    You keep doing your TDS thing though, I am sure that will help defeat the communists somehow.
    The only derangement where Trump is concerned lies in the childlike faith that this backlash, this rage against the machine, didn't exist before Trump landed in the middle of it, took us somewhere we actually wanted to go while he was in the middle of it, and that it cannot go on without him.

    You keep trying to conflate Trump with a movement that grew while he was still on NBC firing vapid celebrities. I'll take a knife to that knot every time. He's not an asset, and neither are sycophants who cannot question him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

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    Blame the house for appropriations. That's funny. He had a chance to veto the whole psyop, and he didn't.
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    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    The only derangement where Trump is concerned lies in the childlike faith that this backlash, this rage against the machine, didn't exist before Trump landed in the middle of it, took us somewhere we actually wanted to go while he was in the middle of it, and that it cannot go on without him.

    You keep trying to conflate Trump with a movement that grew while he was still on NBC firing vapid celebrities. I'll take a knife to that knot every time. He's not an asset, and neither are sycophants who cannot question him.
    More butthurt whining about who gets credit.

    I am just enjoying that the GOP has a civil war and the neocons are losing.

    I don't care about who gets credit for what. I don't know why that is so important to you and I don't really care, It just looks like TDS to me.


    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Blame the house for appropriations. That's funny. He had a chance to veto the whole psyop, and he didn't.
    News Flash: Donald J. Trump is not a bona fide fiscal conservative.

    Also, he used to be a Democrat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    News Flash: Donald J. Trump is not a bona fide fiscal conservative.

    Also, he used to be a Democrat.
    Your sales pitch is devastating.

    He's still not a fiscal conservative and still used to be a Democrat. And he's still not the man we need. He proved it.

    Last edited by acptulsa; 08-09-2022 at 12:17 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WisconsinLiberty View Post


    And Meghan McCain puts the cheese in the trap personally.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    "We shouldn't judge Trump by how he governed when he was in office. We should support him because next time he will be different."
    Who are you quoting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    Who are you quoting?
    It sometimes feels like everyone. It's quickly gaining the smell of Official Narrative, or at least the strength of it.

    This time it's different! No more Mr. Nice Guy!

    Quote Originally Posted by WisconsinLiberty View Post
    Anti-Trump Lawyer Spills the Beans: Mar-a-Lago Raid Seeks to Keep Trump From Running in 2024

    The New American
    August 9, 2022


    The raid by the FBI on Trumpís Florida residence has nothing to do with ďnational securityĒ or the ďNational Archives.Ē It has everything to do with finding something ó anything ó in those 15 boxes to nail him under a law that, if he is convicted, would prevent him from ever running for president again.

    The hubris of Marc Elias ó who served as Hillary Clintonís top lawyer in her failed 2016 presidential campaign and was invested heavily in almost all of the Deep Stateís attacks on Trump since then ó not only may be his undoing, but also may help propel Trump into the presidency in 2024.

    On Monday ó 48 years to the day after President Nixon resigned from the presidency ó the raid on Mar-a-Lago was followed by rejoicing by Elias on Twitter:


    The media is missing the really, really big reason why the raid today is a potential blockbuster in American politics.


    This revelation was followed by a screen shot of U.S. Code Title 18, Section 2071, with the following text highlighted:


    [Anyone] having the custody of any such record [filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States], proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. [Emphasis added.]


    On the surface, it appears that the FBI could either find, or create, evidence that could be used to charge the former president under this law.

    But a closer look reveals that Hillary Clinton escaped prosecution under this identical law when she destroyed those highly sensitive personal emails. In fact, then-Attorney General Michael Mukasey sought clarification and found that ďdisqualification extends only to statutory or appointed offices, but not to any constitutionally-mandated or elected positions.Ē

    Since Trump was elected and not appointed, he could run in 2024 even if he were in jail.

    But that is highly unlikely, as Elias noted in a follow-up tweet:


    Yes, I recognize the legal challenge that application of this law to a president would garner (since Qualifications are set in the Constitution).

    But the idea that a candidate [Trump] would have to litigate this during a [presidential] campaign is in my view a ďblockbuster in American politics.Ē


    On the contrary, it could turn out that the raid on Mar-a-Lago was the greatest law-enforcement mistake ever made in American history. It could galvanize Trumpís base and cement into place his reelection in 2024 while destroying what might remain of the FBIís credibility, possibly leading to its dismantlement and restructuring by Congress.

    Trump is the Teflon President, having survived all efforts by the Clinton camp, the Democrat establishment, the administrative agencies (i.e., the Deep State), the NeverTrumpers, the sold-out media, and the RINOs to get rid of him. In announcing the raid on his Florida residence, Trump said:


    After working and cooperating with the relevant Government agencies, this unannounced raid on my home was not necessary or appropriate.

    It is prosecutorial misconduct, the weaponization of the Justice System, and an attack by Radical Left Democrats who desperately donít want me to run for President in 2024.


    His announcement that he will run for re-election in 2024 is expected shortly. Until then, this three-minute ad that he released following the raid will suffice:






    Related articles:

    Trumpís Home at Mar-a-Lago Raided by FBI

    Trump Posts Video After Mar-a-Lago Raid: ďSoon, We Will Have Greatness AgainĒ
    Last edited by acptulsa; 08-09-2022 at 12:54 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    It sometimes feels like everyone. It's quickly gaining the smell of Official Narrative, or at least the strength of it.

    This time it's different! No more Mr. Nice Guy!
    Trump did many wonderful things and a few bonehead things. Trump wasn't perfect.

    Trump has been personally attacked by the Deep State and the "swamp" so I'm excited to see what he does in his second term.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WisconsinLiberty View Post
    Trump did many wonderful things and a few bonehead things. Trump wasn't perfect.

    Trump has been personally attacked by the Deep State and the "swamp" so I'm excited to see what he does in his second term.
    The second verse will be worse than the first. And the few bonehead things were epically evil, and very profitable for him.

    But, yes excitement. We're in for more of that with or without Trump.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    The second verse will be worse than the first. And the few bonehead things were epically evil, and very profitable for him.
    Profitable?

    Donald Trump’s net worth dropped by one-third during his presidency
    Trump's net worth declined by more than $1 billion since 2017, according to Forbes
    https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics...rth-presidency

    Donald Trump's wealth takes tumble during presidency
    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56438914
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    Quote Originally Posted by WisconsinLiberty View Post
    Profitable?
    Yeah, man. Regardless of the bottom line, catering to Big Pharma was a net gain during that period.

    I'm not so sure that, even when he is taking bribes he still can't make ends meet, is much of a sales pitch either.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 08-09-2022 at 01:11 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Yeah, man. Regardless of the bottom line, catering to Big Pharma was a net gain during that period.

    I'm not so sure that, even when he is taking bribes he still can't make ends meet, is much of a sales pitch either.
    Anthony Fauci was the brains behind the pushing the Vaccines/Big Pharma and personally profited from it. Trump merely listened to Anthony Fauci and fast-tracked the production of the vaccines.

    I've seen no evidence that Trump personally benefited from pushing vaccines, except getting credit for fast-tracking it. It should be noted that Trump never mandated vaccines, he just gave people an option to get the vaccine.


    Do you have any proof/evidence of Trump taking Big Pharma bribes? I'm calling B.S.
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    You are kidding, right? I mean, you have heard this isn't fifty years ago, and they don't bother to hide it any more.

    I'll show you just the tip of the iceberg, if you like.

    Facing acute risks to their businesses from Washington, D.C., policymakers, health companies spent more than $2 million to buy access to the incoming Trump administration via candlelight dinners, black-tie balls and other U.S. presidential inauguration events, new filings show.

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    Drugmaker Pfizer gave $1 million to help finance the inauguration, according to documents filed with the U.S. Federal Election Commission. Amgen, another pharmaceutical company, donated $500,000. Health insurers Anthem, Centene and Aetna all gave six-figure contributions.
    https://www.spectrumnews.org/news/he...-inauguration/
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You are kidding, right? I mean, you have heard this isn't fifty years ago, and they don't bother to hide it any more.

    I'll show you just the tip of the iceberg, if you like.

    https://www.spectrumnews.org/news/he...-inauguration/
    They donated to the "58th Presidential Inaugural Committee"

    Trump isn't even on that committee.

    https://www.legistorm.com/organizati...Committee.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by WisconsinLiberty View Post
    They donated to the "58th Presidential Inaugural Committee"

    Trump isn't even on that committee.

    https://www.legistorm.com/organizati...Committee.html
    LOL

    That's cute.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    LOL

    That's cute.
    I like to research stuff. Watch out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WisconsinLiberty View Post
    I like to research stuff. Watch out.
    Help yourself. Just don't expect to dazzle anyone here with split hairs.

    This leopard's spots are a matter of public record. The only possible sales pitch is, a leopard can change his spots.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 08-09-2022 at 01:49 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And?
    Dems cheat.
    Trump stopped them cheating.

    A clear case of Liberty preserving authoritarianism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Your sales pitch is devastating.

    He's still not a fiscal conservative and still used to be a Democrat. And he's still not the man we need. He proved it.

    What are you talking about? I am not pitching anything. I don't give a crap what you believe. I learned long ago that political persuasion is a largely pointless endeavor.

    People come around to the truth when something meaningful happens in their own life and then they get it. Until then, talk goes in one ear and out the other.

    I don't know who this man is that you think we need, but almost certainly he doesn't exist. Their is no messiah that is coming to fix the bloated federal government.

    What does exist is voters and politicians. I am focused on voters that see the globalists as the #1 threat to liberty and I am happy that some current Republican politicians are calling it out.

    Meanwhile you can continue to be butthurt about credit going to Trump for anything good. Nobody gives a $#@! dude.
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