Trump Wants Revenge — That’s Why He’s the Man for 2024

[Sonny Tufts]

Massie is being an idiot.

He's being accurate.

From sitting on his butt for over 3 hours watching TV while his goon supporters stormed the Capitol, to urging Pence to do something that he had no authority to do which, after Pence refused to do it, caused some of the goons to call for Pence's death, Trump demonstrated that he violated his oath and is unfit to be President.

Of course the Trump lemmings think he can walk on water and crap flowers, so an oath is irrelevant.

But is is nice to see a GOP legislator take Trump to task instead of waiting in line with almost all of the rest of them so he can kiss Trump's butt. Thank you, Mr. Massie.

[Invisible Man]

Trump increased spending a lot more than Obama, even before the pandemic.


Obama (in trillions)

3.4
3.6
3.5
3.4
3.5
3.6
3.8
3.9

Trump
4.1
4.4
6.5
7.2

That is a really damning list of numbers for the deplorables.

[TheTexan]

He's being accurate.

From sitting on his butt for over 3 hours watching TV while his goon supporters stormed the Capitol, to urging Pence to do something that he had no authority to do which, after Pence refused to do it, caused some of the goons to call for Pence's death, Trump demonstrated that he violated his oath and is unfit to be President.

Of course the Trump lemmings think he can walk on water and crap flowers, so an oath is irrelevant.

LOL its only when people are "storming the capitol" that people like you care about the "oath".

Hint: he broke the oath on day 1 of office, as did every other President in modern history

[dannno]

[Swordsmyth]

He's being accurate.

From sitting on his butt for over 3 hours watching TV while his goon supporters stormed the Capitol, to urging Pence to do something that he had no authority to do which, after Pence refused to do it, caused some of the goons to call for Pence's death, Trump demonstrated that he violated his oath and is unfit to be President.

Of course the Trump lemmings think he can walk on water and crap flowers, so an oath is irrelevant.

But is is nice to see a GOP legislator take Trump to task instead of waiting in line with almost all of the rest of them so he can kiss Trump's butt. Thank you, Mr. Massie.

LOL

You have been watching the MSM and actually believe them.

Everything you said is wrong and so is Massie.

[Snowball]

Great swaths of the voting public are plainly supporting Trump and his henchmen and battle maids now.

If you turn your back on this overwhelming swath of voters by voting 3rd Party or abstaining, you deserve to be led by the Bolsheviks.

[Occam's Banana]

Great swaths of the voting public are plainly supporting Trump and his henchmen and battle maids now.

If you turn your back on this overwhelming swath of voters by voting 3rd Party or abstaining, you deserve to be led by the Bolsheviks.

If they are such an "overwhelming swath", then 3rd party voters or abstainers cannot make any difference, and are therefore irrelevant.

But if 3rd party voters or abstainers can make a difference, then the "swath" to which you are referring obviously cannot be "overwhelming".

Words have meanings. You don't get to have it both ways.

[Swordsmyth]

If they are such an "overwhelming swath", then 3rd party voters or abstainers cannot make any difference, and are therefore irrelevant.

But if 3rd party voters or abstainers can make a difference, then the "swath" to which you are referring obviously cannot be "overwhelming".

Words have meanings. You don't get to have it both ways.

You are ignoring the need for overwhelming the fraud.

[Occam's Banana]

You are ignoring the need for overwhelming the fraud.

This is non-responsive.

If 3rd party voters or abstainers are impotent and irrelevant, then you don't need their help in "overwhelming the fraud" (or for anything else).

But if you need their help in "overwhelming the fraud" (or for anything else), then they cannot be impotent or irrelevant.

Pick one. It can't be both.

[acptulsa]

Pick one. It can't be both.

You say it can't. But The (political) Science® says it can.

[Invisible Man]

This is non-responsive.

If 3rd party voters or abstainers are impotent and irrelevant, then you don't need their help in "overwhelming the fraud" (or for anything else).

But if you need their help in "overwhelming the fraud" (or for anything else), then they cannot be impotent or irrelevant.

Pick one. It can't be both.

Just by the numbers, abstainers did overwhelm whatever fraud there was in 2020.

If more of those abstainers had voted, then the margin by which abstainers would have overwhelmed the fraud would only have been smaller.

Edit: Looks like I was wrong. Although it was very close, using eligible voter numbers, 2020 was the first time in my life that the official tally showed more voters voting for one of the candidates than those who voted for none of the above (i.e. abstainers). We need to do better next time and have more people abstain so we can overwhelm the fraud. None of the above could still claim a win in 2020 based on voting age population numbers, but we should be able to do better than that.

[Swordsmyth]

This is non-responsive.

If 3rd party voters or abstainers are impotent and irrelevant, then you don't need their help in "overwhelming the fraud" (or for anything else).

But if you need their help in "overwhelming the fraud" (or for anything else), then they cannot be impotent or irrelevant.

Pick one. It can't be both.

On their own they are both.
Only by helping to defeat the fraud can they avoid it.
Without the fraud they would be both.

[Swordsmyth]

Just by the numbers, abstainers did overwhelm whatever fraud there was in 2020.

If more of those abstainers had voted, then the margin by which abstainers would have overwhelmed the fraud would only have been smaller.

Edit: Looks like I was wrong. Although it was very close, using eligible voter numbers, 2020 was the first time in my life that the official tally showed more voters voting for one of the candidates than those who voted for none of the above (i.e. abstainers). We need to do better next time and have more people abstain so we can overwhelm the fraud. None of the above could still claim a win in 2020 based on voting age population numbers, but we should be able to do better than that.

You mean you wish them to enable the fraud by reducing the margin of fraud required.
The fraud in 2020 was forced to be so extreme and provable because Trump cured the apathy of so may people.

[CCTelander]

You mean you wish them to enable the fraud by reducing the margin of fraud required.
The fraud in 2020 was forced to be so extreme and provable because Trump cured the apathy of so may people.

‘[C]ured the apathy”? Seems like I’ve heard that said before, much more truthfully, about some other guy. Ron something? Give me a minute. It’ll come to me.

Ron on steroids? The transmogrification of Trump into some kind of “New and Improved” Ron Paul continues. Talk about making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.

SMGDH

[Swordsmyth]

‘[C]ured the apathy”? Seems like I’ve heard that said before, much more truthfully, about some other guy. Ron something? Give me a minute. It’ll come to me.

Ron on steroids? The transmogrification of Trump into some kind of “New and Improved” Ron Paul continues. Talk about making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.

SMGDH

Trump got more votes than Ron ever did, you don't have to like it, but you have to deal with it.
Trump connected with people better than Ron.

[CCTelander]

Trump got more votes than Ron ever did, you don't have to like it, but you have to deal with it.
Trump connected with people better than Ron.

Wow. You know who else “got more votes than Ron ever did” and thus, presumably “connected with people better than Ron”? Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, both Bushes and Joe Freakin’ Biden. All of which proves precisely jack $#@!.

Trump is a huckster committed only to his own self-aggrandizement and profit.

Ron is a statesman committed to slashing government down to a size barely above non-existence.

Trump isn’t fit to polish Ron’s shoes, let alone lead us to anything resembling liberty and I, for one, am sick and tired of hearing people who should know better claiming otherwise.

But then this is how politics always winds up. Which is one of the many reasons why it will never result in any substantive, lasting progress toward true liberty.

[Swordsmyth]

Wow. You know who else “got more votes than Ron ever did” and thus, presumably “connected with people better than Ron”? Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, both Bushes and Joe Freakin’ Biden. All of which proves precisely jack $#@!.

Trump is a huckster committed only to his own self-aggrandizement and profit.

Ron is a statesman committed to slashing government down to a size barely above non-existence.

Trump isn’t fit to polish Ron’s shoes, let alone lead us to anything resembling liberty and I, for one, am sick and tired of hearing people who should know better claiming otherwise.

But then this is how politics always winds up. Which is one of the many reasons why it will never result in any substantive, lasting progress toward true liberty.

Would you like some grease for the wheels on your moving goalposts?
Bonus points for comparing Trump to Hitler.

Trump was not perfect but he did lots of good things and he ignited a movement that is much better than himself.
And we were discussing curing apathy, many millions of people shed their apathy because of Trump and we need that in order to overcome the fraud that kept Ron out and stole Trump's second term.
Anyone who opposes the insanity of the left is only relevant if they get on the bandwagon that is going roughly in our direction, otherwise they are passively allowing the theft of our country and liberty by the left.

[PAF]

Trump got more votes than Ron ever did, you don't have to like it, but you have to deal with it.
Trump connected with people better than Ron.

There's a video out there where it outlines all of the corruption at the state levels and media. But here's what many of us dealt with at RNC Tampa:

Oh, and by the way, you are a shill.

[acptulsa]

DP

[acptulsa]

Anyone who opposes the insanity of the left is only relevant if they get on the bandwagon that is going roughly in our direction, otherwise they are passively allowing the theft of our country and liberty by the left.

Been on that bandwagon. It's like a NASCAR stocker. It keeps turning left.

It's not going roughly our direction. It's going roughly their direction. And you've admitted that, and said the reason you're constantly trying to shove everyone on that bandwagon like a Tokyo subway people packer is because it's only roughly going their direction.



You had better save that grease for your own goalposts.

[Occam's Banana]

On their own they are both.
Only by helping to defeat the fraud can they avoid it.
Without the fraud they would be both.

If the are irrelevant and impotent, then they cannot help defeat the fraud.

If they can help defeat the fraud, then they cannot be irrelevant and impotent.

You do not get to have it both ways. The Law of Non-Contradiction is a thing.

[Invisible Man]

Trump got more votes than Ron ever did, you don't have to like it, but you have to deal with it.
Trump connected with people better than Ron.

Trump connected with people better than Ron because more people wanted what Trump was offering than what Ron Paul was.

Ron Paul didn't want to hand out more freebies to people and corporations, didn't want to run people's lives, and didn't want to run the economy. Trump did want to do all those things and made a big point about promising to, and the voting public liked that about him.

[acptulsa]

Trump connected with people better than Ron because more people wanted what Trump was offering than what Ron Paul was.

I thought it was because the MSM pointed cameras and microphones at Trump.

[Invisible Man]

I thought it was because the MSM pointed cameras and microphones at Trump.

The relationship between what the public wants and what the media tells the public they want is always a chicken and egg problem.

[PAF]

The relationship between what the public wants and what the media tells the public they want is always a chicken and egg problem.

Proving how many do not stand on principle.

[Ender]

I thought it was because the MSM pointed cameras and microphones at Trump.

Exactly.

Trump got 24/7 coverage (still does).

Ron was "disappeared" by the MSM- they acted like he never existed.

[vita3]

Trumps drama is fantastic for media’s business

But Poison for us, it’s viewers

We are F*d

[devil21]

Exactly.

Trump got 24/7 coverage (still does).

Ron was "disappeared" by the MSM- they acted like he never existed.

Ron's treatment by the media, compared to say, a Donald Trump, was a political decoder ring for many of us and can never be unseen. There is no such thing as bad publicity in Hollywood nor in Hollywood East, aka DC.

[nobody's_hero]

There's a video out there where it outlines all of the corruption at the state levels and media. But here's what many of us dealt with at RNC Tampa:

Oh, and by the way, you are a shill.

Boehner also removed people who opposed him from influential committees. A few you wouldn't see eye to eye with, but reasonable allies against turds like John Boehner. Tim Huelskamp and Justin Amash were among the victims of his purge.

https://www.politico.com/story/2012/...r-purge-084612

But if you intend on holding your grudge forever, you're going to miss the forest for the trees.

EDIT: Actually it's not so much that you hold a grudge. I too detest Boehner and would like to see many more neocons held to account for how they treated Ron Paul. It's just that you're a little much too broad-sweeping with it.

[vita3]

Hollywood East

Good, true term

Make the show stop & God help us