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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    I certainly am not claiming that, but get real, the Republican establishment is working hard with Democrats to stop any and all Trump endorsed candidates. I see this as a war between Republican voters and establishment Republican politicians. It is a continuation of the war we started in 2007. Some of these new Trump endorsed candidates are libertarianish (see Blake Masters) and some are not, but the fight is what is important to me. The anti-establishment Trump candidates are winning the primary war by a large margin. I see this as a good thing. It seems like you don't, which I find odd.
    To me the media machine is still the biggest threat we face. Until that gets weakened back to 2016 credibility-levels, nothing else can fill the void.

    Whether Trump comes back for another four, or if he's gone for good, we still have to contend with that, and I've had a bone to pick with them since 2008. If I have to use Trump (or anyone else who is willing) to beat them over the head, I'm not above doing that.
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    This is getting silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    I posted probably a dozen times here that I wanted Biden to win so that the coming inflationary depression would get blamed on democrats and socialism. I don't think anybody else here saw it coming. If Trump had won the media would be blaming the economic collapse on Trump and "capitalism". The problem being that Trump was more of a socialist than a capitalist which is why I knew we were headed for this crisis.
    Things might have turned out differently under a Trump administration. We were producing and exporting oil. Manufacturing seemed to entertain coming back. My guess is supply chain issues wouldn't have been too big a deal. Fertilizer would be available. Russia maybe not but would have been different. Inflation under Biden is double edged sword with Trump it would have been only from interjecting cash not all the aforementioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    To me the media machine is still the biggest threat we face. Until that gets weakened back to 2016 credibility-levels, nothing else can fill the void.

    Whether Trump comes back for another four, or if he's gone for good, we still have to contend with that, and I've had a bone to pick with them since 2008. If I have to use Trump (or anyone else who is willing) to beat them over the head, I'm not above doing that.
    Can't believe the media. People on the wrong side of an issue get prosecuted for trivial things while other crazy radicals, IMHO, are praised as being progressive saints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    I don't think anyone else would have brought the fake news, or the lame GOP, or the Deep State, to the forefront like Trump did.
    Oh, yeah. We did that in spades since 2008. There was no putting that genie back in the bottle.
    "Pity we didn't nominate Rand Paul--a man who actually has the Alpha Cojones to put his life on the line, but unfortunately lacks the bad taste necessary to brag about them."-- acptulsa

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Oh, yeah. We did that in spades since 2008. There was no putting that genie back in the bottle.
    Not to be argumentative but I think not. The only people that noticed that was the Ron Paul base. Maybe get a segment on Jon Stewart once in a while. I think the Genie was still in the bottle and hid away in safe keeping before Trump. That is my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    It's a given that Trump was better than any democrat. What bothered me was when Trump supporters here were actually arguing that the things Trump was doing were increasing liberty!

    A couple of examples were the massive spending programs and the targeted tariffs. I get that Trump is better than Biden but don't tell me making government bigger and targeted tariffs is actually INCREASING our liberty. The correct response would've been yeah, it sucks but it would've been worse if it was a democrat.
    I see Trump as a guy that is fine with BIG GOVT because he learned long ago to work within it. Who knows if the guy has ever even read the Constitution?

    With that said he seems to recognize some of the dangers of a large federal government. With the big spending maybe he would argue it was an investment that would have paid off in a 2nd term and allowed for a reduction in spending... then again maybe he doesn't give a crap.

    I think the Trump presidency had more positives than negatives. Tariffs certainly have negatives but one could argue that there were positive benefits as well. I wouldn't pretend to be an expert on that.


    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    To me the media machine is still the biggest threat we face. Until that gets weakened back to 2016 credibility-levels, nothing else can fill the void.

    Whether Trump comes back for another four, or if he's gone for good, we still have to contend with that, and I've had a bone to pick with them since 2008. If I have to use Trump (or anyone else who is willing) to beat them over the head, I'm not above doing that.
    I agree, the media and Marxism. I think one huge benefit to the Trump presidency was the mass of voters now understanding that the major media corporations are propaganda machines engaged in News Craftģ. Fake News is now embeded as a reality.

    The bone to pick is with who? The GOP?
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Oh, yeah. We did that in spades since 2008. There was no putting that genie back in the bottle.
    But only a tiny percentage of us knew. Now the masses know. That is very important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    I see Trump as a guy that is fine with BIG GOVT because he learned long ago to work within it. Who knows if the guy has ever even read the Constitution?

    With that said he seems to recognize some of the dangers of a large federal government. With the big spending maybe he would argue it was an investment that would have paid off in a 2nd term and allowed for a reduction in spending... then again maybe he doesn't give a crap.

    I think the Trump presidency had more positives than negatives. Tariffs certainly have negatives but one could argue that there were positive benefits as well. I wouldn't pretend to be an expert on that.




    I agree, the media and Marxism. I think one huge benefit to the Trump presidency was the mass of voters now understanding that the major media corporations are propaganda machines engaged in News Craftģ. Fake News is now embeded as a reality.

    The bone to pick is with who? The GOP?
    The media. Although if I could kick a few neocon leftovers out of the GOP that have been there since 2008 I'd consider it a bonus.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
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    It started silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    But only a tiny percentage of us knew. Now the masses know. That is very important.
    That's not how word of mouth spreads. Just as Trump's printing is why Biden had inflation from the moment he hit office (no, he hasn't done a damned thing to stop it), our exposing the sheer hutzpah of the propaganda machine literally made Trump's Tweet Factory possible. It would not have worked before we did that.

    Not that the credit where due really matters. Except the usual way to reprogram cult members so they can be useful members of society is to show them their god is merely a man after all.
    "Pity we didn't nominate Rand Paul--a man who actually has the Alpha Cojones to put his life on the line, but unfortunately lacks the bad taste necessary to brag about them."-- acptulsa

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    And an opportunistic man at that.
    "Pity we didn't nominate Rand Paul--a man who actually has the Alpha Cojones to put his life on the line, but unfortunately lacks the bad taste necessary to brag about them."-- acptulsa

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    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    The media. Although if I could kick a few neocon leftovers out of the GOP that have been there since 2008 I'd consider it a bonus.
    I hear you. The media screwed over Ron Paul for the simple crime of being an honest man in DC. I will never forgive Dana Bush. Just another reason I appreciate Trump, he kicked the ass of CNN and all of the liberal news corporations. We thought it was fun when people threw snowballs at Hannity and now we are treated to people calling CNN fake news live on the air!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    Things might have turned out differently under a Trump administration. We were producing and exporting oil. Manufacturing seemed to entertain coming back. My guess is supply chain issues wouldn't have been too big a deal. Fertilizer would be available. Russia maybe not but would have been different. Inflation under Biden is double edged sword with Trump it would have been only from interjecting cash not all the aforementioned.
    Ok, that proves it. You're a certified Trumpster.

    Under Trump the national debt went from 20 trillion to 30 trillion. Interest rates were at 0% at the request of Trump. Out of the 9 trillion on the Fed's balance sheet, 3.5 trillion came while Trump was in office. That's where 99% of the inflation came from. Global oil production is currently about 80 million barrels a day, it peaked around 85 before covid. Basic math will tell you the rise in oil is coming from the printing not the supply. It's not a supply problem it's a demand problem caused by printing. The money supply was inflated from 1 trillion to 9 trillion. That's the problem. Trump would've helped on the supply side but that's microscopic compared to the demand side from the spending and printing.

    And don't forget when Trump left office our trade deficits were setting all time records. So much for the manufacturing resurgence. The bottom line doesn't lie.

  15. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    I think the Trump presidency had more positives than negatives.

    Only if you think massive central government is a good thing.

    Do you really think some of those piddly good things Trump did outweighs DOUBLING the size of the federal govt in 4 years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Only if you think massive central government is a good thing.

    Do you really think some of those piddly good things Trump did outweighs DOUBLING the size of the federal govt in 4 years?
    Why does government despise Trump?



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    "Under Trump the national debt went from 20 trillion to 30 trillion"

    Game Set, Match.

    Trump is best served barking madly outside the system

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    Why does government despise Trump?
    Because THEY want to do those things!


    Here's the thing about power... They will always fight amongst themselves for power. But NONE of them want to give it up. None of them want to reduce the power over other people - they just want to control it. Trump was and is unpredictable in how he wields power - that's a problem for the people whose job it is to manage that power. But make no mistake, Trump never had any intention of reducing that power - only in wielding it himself.

    I like that he makes the left insane - it feels good. And rightly so. But he will NEVER be what his supporters hope he is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    Why does government despise Trump?
    What if the government figured out that no one would suspect RINOs of being RINOs if the media talked nasty about them?

    Not that it could ever happen. But just as a hypothetical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    That's not how word of mouth spreads. Just as Trump's printing is why Biden had inflation from the moment he hit office (no, he hasn't done a damned thing to stop it), our exposing the sheer hutzpah of the propaganda machine literally made Trump's Tweet Factory possible. It would not have worked before we did that.

    Not that the credit where due really matters. Except the usual way to reprogram cult members so they can be useful members of society is to show them their god is merely a man after all.
    Screw word of mouth, having a tiny group of highly informed people is not nearly as helpful as millions and millions of average Republican voters knowing.

    I wonder why you can't give credit to the Trump campaign for making Fake News a common term. You could both hate him and give credit where it is due.
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    The term "fake news". Fine. That and the "vaccine".

    Terrible record. Ain't voting for that again. Not happenin'
    "Pity we didn't nominate Rand Paul--a man who actually has the Alpha Cojones to put his life on the line, but unfortunately lacks the bad taste necessary to brag about them."-- acptulsa

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Only if you think massive central government is a good thing.

    Do you really think some of those piddly good things Trump did outweighs DOUBLING the size of the federal govt in 4 years?
    I am anti-central planning. I am pro-defeating communists. So yes I do think the positives outweigh the negatives.

    We needed something of significance to change. I am definitely happier with the current state of politics compared to where we would be with a Jeb/Hillary presidency.

    It isn't that we are in a good place now, it is about where we could go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    The term "fake news". Fine. That and the "vaccine".

    Terrible record. Ain't voting for that again. Not happenin'
    I am anti-fake covid vaccine.

    I can't help but wonder if you are a woman because you seem to get so emotional over all of this. We are all humans with emotions but talking with you reminds me of this video...



    I think women are great and I am glad they are different than men. I just notice that you get hung up on things while I am more interested in solutions for the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vita3 View Post
    "Under Trump the national debt went from 20 trillion to 30 trillion"

    Game Set, Match.

    Trump is best served barking madly outside the system
    That reminds me of when a football team is down by 6 touchdowns in the fourth quarter and the other team scores a meaningless touchdown and starts dancing. Then the players on the winning team say "Scoreboard". Trump kicked a field goal with 20 seconds left but the US lost by 15 trillion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    I am anti-central planning. I am pro-defeating communists. So yes I do think the positives outweigh the negatives.

    We needed something of significance to change. I am definitely happier with the current state of politics compared to where we would be with a Jeb/Hillary presidency.

    It isn't that we are in a good place now, it is about where we could go.
    I agree if your only argument is that it would've been a lot worse with Hillary. It's when you start imaging that somehow a Trump miracle would've avoided the inflationary depression we are entering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    I can't help but wonder if you are a woman because you seem to get so emotional over all of this.
    Is this where AOC leans over to me and tells me you want to date me?

    And it isn't just a fakecine. It's the Trumpcine. You seem to want to give him credit for everything else except what he actually did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    I agree if your only argument is that it would've been a lot worse with Hillary. It's when you start imaging that somehow a Trump miracle would've avoided the inflationary depression we are entering.
    I have no idea what this Trump miracle is that you speak of. Certainly federal spending was crazy during the Trump years. The Democrats then threw gasoline on the fire once they got Biden in.




    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Is this where AOC leans over to me and tells me you want to date me?

    And it isn't just a fakecine. It's the Trumpcine. You seem to want to give him credit for everything else except what he actually did.
    I don't think Dr Trump designed the fake vaccine. He did encourage its production for sure. I think most people had hopes that it would be a real vaccine and that the medical community was legitimate. Turns out they aren't legit and it is just a big scam. Our difference is that I think Trump got suckered like 95% of the country, but I would guess you think he was in on it. If so, we will have to agree to disagree.

    I don't think it is unreasonable for non-doctors to assume that Dr Fauci and Dr Birx were acting as professionals during a "pandemic". I certainly don't fault a real estate developer not assuming they were lying political operatives until they demonstrated that. Feel free to let your conspiracy theory flag fly, but just don't expect me to buy into it without some evidence.
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    don't think it is unreasonable for non-doctors to assume that Dr Fauci and Dr Birx were acting as professionals during a "pandemic". I certainly don't fault a real estate developer not assuming they were lying political operatives until they demonstrated that. Feel free to let your conspiracy theory flag fly, but just don't expect me to buy into it without some evidence.

    Read it. Learn

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    Quote Originally Posted by vita3 View Post
    Read it. Learn

    Donít ever express this uninformed drivel again

    https://www.audible.com/pd/The-Real-...ook/B09LVXS3L4
    Repeating himself seems to be the thing he does most. Followed closely by saying, "If you don't believe Trump can drive a thirty foot limo from the back seat you must be a Biden lover" type false dichotomies.
    "Pity we didn't nominate Rand Paul--a man who actually has the Alpha Cojones to put his life on the line, but unfortunately lacks the bad taste necessary to brag about them."-- acptulsa

  33. #119
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    It's a given that Trump was better than any democrat. What bothered me was when Trump supporters here were actually arguing that the things Trump was doing were increasing liberty!

    A couple of examples were the massive spending programs and the targeted tariffs. I get that Trump is better than Biden but don't tell me making government bigger and targeted tariffs is actually INCREASING our liberty. The correct response would've been yeah, it sucks but it would've been worse if it was a democrat.
    Congress was responsible for the spending, tariffs increase the power of the average working man and therefore increase liberty.
    Trump did many other things to increase liberty but some people only keep little lists of things they don't like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Ok, that proves it. You're a certified Trumpster.

    Under Trump the national debt went from 20 trillion to 30 trillion. Interest rates were at 0% at the request of Trump. Out of the 9 trillion on the Fed's balance sheet, 3.5 trillion came while Trump was in office. That's where 99% of the inflation came from. Global oil production is currently about 80 million barrels a day, it peaked around 85 before covid. Basic math will tell you the rise in oil is coming from the printing not the supply. It's not a supply problem it's a demand problem caused by printing. The money supply was inflated from 1 trillion to 9 trillion. That's the problem. Trump would've helped on the supply side but that's microscopic compared to the demand side from the spending and printing.

    And don't forget when Trump left office our trade deficits were setting all time records. So much for the manufacturing resurgence. The bottom line doesn't lie.
    Yes, the bottom line does lie if you cherry pick when to look at it.
    Restoring a manufacturing base that was destroyed over the course of 30 years takes longer than 4 years.
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