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  1. #181
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Massie is being an idiot.
    He's being accurate.

    From sitting on his butt for over 3 hours watching TV while his goon supporters stormed the Capitol, to urging Pence to do something that he had no authority to do which, after Pence refused to do it, caused some of the goons to call for Pence's death, Trump demonstrated that he violated his oath and is unfit to be President.

    Of course the Trump lemmings think he can walk on water and crap flowers, so an oath is irrelevant.

    But is is nice to see a GOP legislator take Trump to task instead of waiting in line with almost all of the rest of them so he can kiss Trump's butt. Thank you, Mr. Massie.
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  3. #182
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Trump increased spending a lot more than Obama, even before the pandemic.


    Obama (in trillions)

    3.4
    3.6
    3.5
    3.4
    3.5
    3.6
    3.8
    3.9

    Trump
    4.1
    4.4
    6.5
    7.2
    That is a really damning list of numbers for the deplorables.
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  4. #183
    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    He's being accurate.

    From sitting on his butt for over 3 hours watching TV while his goon supporters stormed the Capitol, to urging Pence to do something that he had no authority to do which, after Pence refused to do it, caused some of the goons to call for Pence's death, Trump demonstrated that he violated his oath and is unfit to be President.

    Of course the Trump lemmings think he can walk on water and crap flowers, so an oath is irrelevant.
    LOL its only when people are "storming the capitol" that people like you care about the "oath".

    Hint: he broke the oath on day 1 of office, as did every other President in modern history
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  5. #184
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  7. #185
    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    He's being accurate.

    From sitting on his butt for over 3 hours watching TV while his goon supporters stormed the Capitol, to urging Pence to do something that he had no authority to do which, after Pence refused to do it, caused some of the goons to call for Pence's death, Trump demonstrated that he violated his oath and is unfit to be President.

    Of course the Trump lemmings think he can walk on water and crap flowers, so an oath is irrelevant.

    But is is nice to see a GOP legislator take Trump to task instead of waiting in line with almost all of the rest of them so he can kiss Trump's butt. Thank you, Mr. Massie.
    LOL

    You have been watching the MSM and actually believe them.

    Everything you said is wrong and so is Massie.
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  8. #186
    Great swaths of the voting public are plainly supporting Trump and his henchmen and battle maids now.

    If you turn your back on this overwhelming swath of voters by voting 3rd Party or abstaining, you deserve to be led by the Bolsheviks.
    "For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy ... Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed." - J.F.K.

  9. #187
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    Great swaths of the voting public are plainly supporting Trump and his henchmen and battle maids now.

    If you turn your back on this overwhelming swath of voters by voting 3rd Party or abstaining, you deserve to be led by the Bolsheviks.
    If they are such an "overwhelming swath", then 3rd party voters or abstainers cannot make any difference, and are therefore irrelevant.

    But if 3rd party voters or abstainers can make a difference, then the "swath" to which you are referring obviously cannot be "overwhelming".

    Words have meanings. You don't get to have it both ways.
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  10. #188
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    If they are such an "overwhelming swath", then 3rd party voters or abstainers cannot make any difference, and are therefore irrelevant.

    But if 3rd party voters or abstainers can make a difference, then the "swath" to which you are referring obviously cannot be "overwhelming".

    Words have meanings. You don't get to have it both ways.
    You are ignoring the need for overwhelming the fraud.
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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

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  11. #189
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You are ignoring the need for overwhelming the fraud.
    This is non-responsive.

    If 3rd party voters or abstainers are impotent and irrelevant, then you don't need their help in "overwhelming the fraud" (or for anything else).

    But if you need their help in "overwhelming the fraud" (or for anything else), then they cannot be impotent or irrelevant.

    Pick one. It can't be both.

  12. #190
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Pick one. It can't be both.
    You say it can't. But The (political) Scienceģ says it can.
    "Pity we didn't nominate Rand Paul--a man who actually has the Alpha Cojones to put his life on the line, but unfortunately lacks the bad taste necessary to brag about them."-- acptulsa

  13. #191
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    This is non-responsive.

    If 3rd party voters or abstainers are impotent and irrelevant, then you don't need their help in "overwhelming the fraud" (or for anything else).

    But if you need their help in "overwhelming the fraud" (or for anything else), then they cannot be impotent or irrelevant.

    Pick one. It can't be both.
    Just by the numbers, abstainers did overwhelm whatever fraud there was in 2020.

    If more of those abstainers had voted, then the margin by which abstainers would have overwhelmed the fraud would only have been smaller.

    Edit: Looks like I was wrong. Although it was very close, using eligible voter numbers, 2020 was the first time in my life that the official tally showed more voters voting for one of the candidates than those who voted for none of the above (i.e. abstainers). We need to do better next time and have more people abstain so we can overwhelm the fraud. None of the above could still claim a win in 2020 based on voting age population numbers, but we should be able to do better than that.
    Last edited by Invisible Man; 08-18-2022 at 06:02 AM.
    There is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
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  14. #192
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    This is non-responsive.

    If 3rd party voters or abstainers are impotent and irrelevant, then you don't need their help in "overwhelming the fraud" (or for anything else).

    But if you need their help in "overwhelming the fraud" (or for anything else), then they cannot be impotent or irrelevant.

    Pick one. It can't be both.
    On their own they are both.
    Only by helping to defeat the fraud can they avoid it.
    Without the fraud they would be both.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  16. #193
    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    Just by the numbers, abstainers did overwhelm whatever fraud there was in 2020.

    If more of those abstainers had voted, then the margin by which abstainers would have overwhelmed the fraud would only have been smaller.

    Edit: Looks like I was wrong. Although it was very close, using eligible voter numbers, 2020 was the first time in my life that the official tally showed more voters voting for one of the candidates than those who voted for none of the above (i.e. abstainers). We need to do better next time and have more people abstain so we can overwhelm the fraud. None of the above could still claim a win in 2020 based on voting age population numbers, but we should be able to do better than that.
    You mean you wish them to enable the fraud by reducing the margin of fraud required.
    The fraud in 2020 was forced to be so extreme and provable because Trump cured the apathy of so may people.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  17. #194
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You mean you wish them to enable the fraud by reducing the margin of fraud required.
    The fraud in 2020 was forced to be so extreme and provable because Trump cured the apathy of so may people.

    ‘[C]ured the apathy”? Seems like I’ve heard that said before, much more truthfully, about some other guy. Ron something? Give me a minute. It’ll come to me.

    Ron on steroids? The transmogrification of Trump into some kind of “New and Improved” Ron Paul continues. Talk about making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.

    SMGDH
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  18. #195
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    ‘[C]ured the apathy”? Seems like I’ve heard that said before, much more truthfully, about some other guy. Ron something? Give me a minute. It’ll come to me.

    Ron on steroids? The transmogrification of Trump into some kind of “New and Improved” Ron Paul continues. Talk about making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.

    SMGDH
    Trump got more votes than Ron ever did, you don't have to like it, but you have to deal with it.
    Trump connected with people better than Ron.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  19. #196
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump got more votes than Ron ever did, you don't have to like it, but you have to deal with it.
    Trump connected with people better than Ron.

    Wow. You know who else “got more votes than Ron ever did” and thus, presumably “connected with people better than Ron”? Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, both Bushes and Joe Freakin’ Biden. All of which proves precisely jack $#@!.

    Trump is a huckster committed only to his own self-aggrandizement and profit.

    Ron is a statesman committed to slashing government down to a size barely above non-existence.

    Trump isn’t fit to polish Ron’s shoes, let alone lead us to anything resembling liberty and I, for one, am sick and tired of hearing people who should know better claiming otherwise.

    But then this is how politics always winds up. Which is one of the many reasons why it will never result in any substantive, lasting progress toward true liberty.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

  20. #197
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Wow. You know who else “got more votes than Ron ever did” and thus, presumably “connected with people better than Ron”? Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, both Bushes and Joe Freakin’ Biden. All of which proves precisely jack $#@!.

    Trump is a huckster committed only to his own self-aggrandizement and profit.

    Ron is a statesman committed to slashing government down to a size barely above non-existence.

    Trump isn’t fit to polish Ron’s shoes, let alone lead us to anything resembling liberty and I, for one, am sick and tired of hearing people who should know better claiming otherwise.

    But then this is how politics always winds up. Which is one of the many reasons why it will never result in any substantive, lasting progress toward true liberty.
    Would you like some grease for the wheels on your moving goalposts?
    Bonus points for comparing Trump to Hitler.

    Trump was not perfect but he did lots of good things and he ignited a movement that is much better than himself.
    And we were discussing curing apathy, many millions of people shed their apathy because of Trump and we need that in order to overcome the fraud that kept Ron out and stole Trump's second term.
    Anyone who opposes the insanity of the left is only relevant if they get on the bandwagon that is going roughly in our direction, otherwise they are passively allowing the theft of our country and liberty by the left.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  21. #198
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump got more votes than Ron ever did, you don't have to like it, but you have to deal with it.
    Trump connected with people better than Ron.
    There's a video out there where it outlines all of the corruption at the state levels and media. But here's what many of us dealt with at RNC Tampa:

    Oh, and by the way, you are a shill.


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  22. #199
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    Last edited by acptulsa; 08-19-2022 at 07:57 AM.
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  23. #200
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Anyone who opposes the insanity of the left is only relevant if they get on the bandwagon that is going roughly in our direction, otherwise they are passively allowing the theft of our country and liberty by the left.
    Been on that bandwagon. It's like a NASCAR stocker. It keeps turning left.

    It's not going roughly our direction. It's going roughly their direction. And you've admitted that, and said the reason you're constantly trying to shove everyone on that bandwagon like a Tokyo subway people packer is because it's only roughly going their direction.



    You had better save that grease for your own goalposts.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 08-19-2022 at 07:13 AM.
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  25. #201
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    On their own they are both.
    Only by helping to defeat the fraud can they avoid it.
    Without the fraud they would be both.
    If the are irrelevant and impotent, then they cannot help defeat the fraud.

    If they can help defeat the fraud, then they cannot be irrelevant and impotent.

    You do not get to have it both ways. The Law of Non-Contradiction is a thing.

  26. #202
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump got more votes than Ron ever did, you don't have to like it, but you have to deal with it.
    Trump connected with people better than Ron.
    Trump connected with people better than Ron because more people wanted what Trump was offering than what Ron Paul was.

    Ron Paul didn't want to hand out more freebies to people and corporations, didn't want to run people's lives, and didn't want to run the economy. Trump did want to do all those things and made a big point about promising to, and the voting public liked that about him.
    There is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
    Ron Paul
    Congressional Record (March 13, 2001)

  27. #203
    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    Trump connected with people better than Ron because more people wanted what Trump was offering than what Ron Paul was.
    I thought it was because the MSM pointed cameras and microphones at Trump.
    "Pity we didn't nominate Rand Paul--a man who actually has the Alpha Cojones to put his life on the line, but unfortunately lacks the bad taste necessary to brag about them."-- acptulsa

  28. #204
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    I thought it was because the MSM pointed cameras and microphones at Trump.
    The relationship between what the public wants and what the media tells the public they want is always a chicken and egg problem.
    There is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
    Ron Paul
    Congressional Record (March 13, 2001)

  29. #205
    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    The relationship between what the public wants and what the media tells the public they want is always a chicken and egg problem.
    Proving how many do not stand on principle.
    ďThe right to life is the source of all rightsóand the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.Ē

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  30. #206
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    I thought it was because the MSM pointed cameras and microphones at Trump.
    Exactly.

    Trump got 24/7 coverage (still does).

    Ron was "disappeared" by the MSM- they acted like he never existed.
    There is no spoon.

  31. #207
    Trumps drama is fantastic for mediaís business

    But Poison for us, itís viewers

    We are F*d

  32. #208
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Exactly.

    Trump got 24/7 coverage (still does).

    Ron was "disappeared" by the MSM- they acted like he never existed.
    Ron's treatment by the media, compared to say, a Donald Trump, was a political decoder ring for many of us and can never be unseen. There is no such thing as bad publicity in Hollywood nor in Hollywood East, aka DC.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book



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  34. #209
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    There's a video out there where it outlines all of the corruption at the state levels and media. But here's what many of us dealt with at RNC Tampa:

    Oh, and by the way, you are a shill.


    Boehner also removed people who opposed him from influential committees. A few you wouldn't see eye to eye with, but reasonable allies against turds like John Boehner. Tim Huelskamp and Justin Amash were among the victims of his purge.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2012/...r-purge-084612

    But if you intend on holding your grudge forever, you're going to miss the forest for the trees.

    EDIT: Actually it's not so much that you hold a grudge. I too detest Boehner and would like to see many more neocons held to account for how they treated Ron Paul. It's just that you're a little much too broad-sweeping with it.
    Last edited by nobody's_hero; 08-19-2022 at 06:43 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
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  35. #210
    Hollywood East

    Good, true term

    Make the show stop & God help us

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