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  1. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by tebowlives View Post
    Again that wasn't the only reason. At least you actually are admitting there is more to it than just a cellphone which she used to transmitted sexually explicit material that her sleazy mother doesn't care much about.
    TikTok isn't pornhub dude. You can't post anything that would actually be child porn on TikTok. So, once again, a sleazy dad (having sex with a drunk woman that may or may not have been passed out) was freaking out over nothing.
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  3. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    TikTok isn't pornhub dude. You can't post anything that would actually be child porn on TikTok. So, once again, a sleazy dad (having sex with a drunk woman that may or may not have been passed out) was freaking out over nothing.
    Making things up again. And yes people can post anything since not everything is reviewed first. It's taken down after the fact.

    btw The Judge agreed.

    So once again siding with the despicable birth mother who has continually encouraged bad behavior.

  4. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    The evidence presented is that the dad under the law is a rapist. The judge corrected himself after public pressure. And you are the only one proven wrong here. Even your own facts prove you wrong. But that doesn't stop you from making senseless arguments. You pointed out that the age of consent is 17. The mom at the time she got pregnant was under 17. The father, under the law, is a rapist. The father, and you apparently, have a problem with adults having sex with people under age. Only this dad flipped out not over sex, but "making out" and between two teenagers. And based on that, this rapist, under the law, sought full custody because he didn't want his daughter to have a cell phone capable of contacting her 17 year old boyfriend. The dad probably remembered what he was like at 17.
    It wasn't forced entry and you have no proof. That's what it's about. The use of force and not some legal mumbo jumbo.

    My facts are not wrong and you have no proof or you would have presented it.

    That you want the repulsive birth mother who encourages sleazy behavior and lied about the birth father drugging and raping his daughter is disgusting.

  5. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by tebowlives View Post
    It wasn't forced entry and you have no proof. That's what it's about. The use of force and not some legal mumbo jumbo.

    My facts are not wrong and you have no proof or you would have presented it.
    Neither are his. You two are just using different definitions of "rape" as an excuse to call each other liars.
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  6. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You two got caught in that tape loop again.

    I don't see how anyone can look at this and see it as clear cut, or deny that either side is displaying some hypocrisy.

    The only person involved that I feel sorry for is the judge. And maybe the girl, who has to look at her parents and say, that is the stuff I'm made of.
    It's about what the birth parents are doing now and not something that happened over 15 years ago. The birth mother is constantly making sleazy decisions that will do her daughter harm. The birth father is trying to protect his daughter from that sleazy behavior. That's what it comes down to.

    The judges have to review the case because the law, not what is justice mind you, says convicted of rape can't get custody. Dunno if that is 100% the case or not.

  7. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Neither are his. You two are just using different definitions of "rape" as an excuse to call each other liars.
    As far as the legal law in that state says it's rape just because of the age. A couple hundred miles over it isn't.
    I'm defining it as forced. He said, she said.
    So yes to 2 different definitions.

    Besides my first sentence what other facts related to custody has he presented?????????



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  9. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You two got caught in that tape loop again.

    I don't see how anyone can look at this and see it as clear cut, or deny that either side is displaying some hypocrisy.
    Okay. I certainly see the mom as having made some mistakes. Not sure I'd call them hypocrisy. For me the word "hypocrisy" has a particular meaning. "Don't you dare do what I do or what I did and still justify myself doing." Assuming the worst from the mom....did she try to get full custody? Nope. Did she freak out that her underage daughter was acting as she probably did at that age? Nope. Dad on the other hand "OMG! My 14 year old girl is kissing and getting felt up by some 17 year old and posting pictures of herself twerking on TikTok! The world is coming to an end!"

    And yes, I've seen a case where the roles were reversed. Teenage boy was living with his dad. Mom sued to get custody. Dad had been going pro se and missed a filing deadline. I was brought in at the last minute. I talked to the other lawyer (female) about the case before the hearing. She was like "Do you know what's going on in that house? The son posted a video on Facebook holding a bong and saying that he was high a fvck." I went back to talk to the father and son about that. (Nothing worse than clients that don't tell you everything before trial). The boy dropped his head and admitted he'd done that. But then he was like "But I'm scared to live with my mom and her new husband. He put a gun up to the head of one of the other children and pulled the trigger. The gun was empty but the other kid didn't know it." I went back to the lady lawyer and asked her if she knew that. Her face dropped in embarrassment. She said "Yes I did read the CPS file and that was disturbing. Let me talk to the son." Father and son agreed. She told the son "Here's my card. If anything happens you just call me right away." Like she was going to do anything other than call 911. Anyway, the judge wasn't hearing none of any of it. The filing deadline had been missed and that was that. Years later I ran in to the father and son. He eventually got custody again and everything worked out.
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  10. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by tebowlives View Post
    It wasn't forced entry and you have no proof. That's what it's about. The use of force and not some legal mumbo jumbo.
    A) I never said it was force so quit with the straw man argument.

    B) The proof that it was statutory rape is indisputible.

    C) Dad's being a hypocrite.
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  11. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by tebowlives View Post
    Besides my first sentence what other facts related to custody has he presented?????????
    Hell, dude, he pasted the whole article in the OP. I don't trust the reporter, and I don't trust any of the witnesses. I don't know if the father is protective or controlling, I don't know if the mother is concerned or just vindictive. And neither do either of you.

    All I know is, she hollered rape, you doubted it, and Drake said, "Well technically..." and it has been a triggered cluster$#@! ever since.

    I don't see enough to like about either the mother or the father to get that excited about the thing.

    The headline was designed to push buttons. Seems to have worked.

    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Anyway, the judge wasn't hearing none of any of it. The filing deadline had been missed and that was that.
    Yeah, that. We must put the fate of children in the hands of the state because who else can endanger them and deny them their birthright over the fact that somebody didn't fill in all the blanks on the form. Never mind that was because the county denied him the information he needed to fill them in.

    Pardon me, I'm digressing.

    The only thing worse than letting people work these things out themselves is not letting them work these things out themselves.
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  12. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by tebowlives View Post
    It's about what the birth parents are doing now and not something that happened over 15 years ago. The birth mother is constantly making sleazy decisions that will do her daughter harm. The birth father is trying to protect his daughter from that sleazy behavior. That's what it comes down to.

    The judges have to review the case because the law, not what is justice mind you, says convicted of rape can't get custody. Dunno if that is 100% the case or not.
    The birth mom is making a decision that most people in this thread have been excusing up until today. Either 14 year olds can make adult decisions or they can't. And TikTok videos aren't pornographic.
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  13. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Hell, dude, he pasted the whole article in the OP. I don't trust the reporter, and I don't trust any of the witnesses. I don't know if the father is protective or controlling, I don't know if the mother is concerned or just vindictive. And neither do either of you.

    All I know is, she hollered rape, you doubted it, and Drake said, "Well technically..." and it has been a triggered cluster$#@! ever since.

    I don't see enough to like about either the mother or the father to get that excited about the thing.

    The headline was designed to push buttons. Seems to have worked.
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to acptulsa again.

    My original point, which I think MOST people agree with, is that you're not guaranteed justice from the gubmint. And yes, it's a clusterf***. We've gone from "Even 12 year old girls can make adult decisions if they look old enough and make a fake ID" to "OMG! That sleezy mother let her 14 year old daughter kiss a 17 year old boy and post videos of herself twerking on TikTok. Take away that mom's parental rights!"
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  14. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    The birth mom is making a decision that most people in this thread have been excusing up until today. Either 14 year olds can make adult decisions or they can't. And TikTok videos aren't pornographic.
    So is the mom in favor of 14 year old daughter being able to make her own sexual choices and watch what is not porn or even send what she doesn't consider porn to tiktok?

  15. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Hell, dude, he pasted the whole article in the OP.
    No he didn't the whole article would have included the link I provided. The one he provided was one sided. The following link gives us a better picture. It has substance. https://meaww.com/louisiana-man-john...es-allegations
    That shed a ton of light on the half truths presented in the OP.


    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    I don't trust the reporter, and I don't trust any of the witnesses. I don't know if the father is protective or controlling, I don't know if the mother is concerned or just vindictive. And neither do either of you.

    All I know is, she hollered rape, you doubted it, and Drake said, "Well technically..." and it has been a triggered cluster$#@! ever since.

    I don't see enough to like about either the mother or the father to get that excited about the thing.

    The headline was designed to push buttons. Seems to have worked.



    Yeah, that. We must put the fate of children in the hands of the state because who else can endanger them and deny them their birthright over the fact that somebody didn't fill in all the blanks on the form. Never mind that was because the county denied him the information he needed to fill them in.

    Pardon me, I'm digressing.

    The only thing worse than letting people work these things out themselves is not letting them work these things out themselves.
    The mother has not exhibited the proper behavior to raise the child. Her history after giving birth is proof of that. She does suffer mentally no doubt I don't believe her story about the birth father drugging and raping his daughter and neither did the judge as there was no evidence to suggest there was. That would lead me to not believe her story about not consenting.

    Now could the birth mother, even though she comes across as unstable, be telling the truth? Could be. Anythings possible. Just because she is somewhat unbalanced doesn't mean she always makes things up. If he's done it twice, there is a possibility he's done it more than twice. Like Bill Cosby. But no proof on that either.


    Any evidence on the father making poor decisions as far as raising a child the last 10-15 years?
    Last edited by tebowlives; 07-28-2022 at 12:31 PM.

  16. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to acptulsa again.

    My original point, which I think MOST people agree with, is that you're not guaranteed justice from the gubmint. And yes, it's a clusterf***. We've gone from "Even 12 year old girls can make adult decisions if they look old enough and make a fake ID" to "OMG! That sleezy mother let her 14 year old daughter kiss a 17 year old boy and post videos of herself twerking on TikTok. Take away that mom's parental rights!"
    Agree about not not guaranteed justice from government since they make it about the law and not justice. That doesn't apply to this case so far.

    It's not just about a cell phone and it's not just about using a phone without parental controls. Disingenuous to say so.



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  18. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by tebowlives View Post
    Any evidence on the father making poor decisions as far as raising a child the last 10-15 years?
    He said this wrong decision is proof justice isn't guaranteed by a court. You said the fact that a good decision was overturned is proof justice isn't guaranteed by a court. My own life experience is proof justice isn't guaranteed by a court.

    We all agree. And you know it.

    Quote Originally Posted by tebowlives View Post
    Agree about not not guaranteed justice from government since they make it about the law and not justice.
    We don't have to attempt to retry the whole case (without direct access to the evidence or the ability to cross examine the witnesses) to determine who's right for the right reasons and who's right for the wrong reasons. We all agree, and we're all right. That's good enough for me.
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  19. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post

    "Even 12 year old girls can make adult decisions if they look old enough and make a fake ID" to "OMG! That sleezy mother let her 14 year old daughter kiss a 17 year old boy and post videos of herself twerking on TikTok.
    This particular case aside:

    If a 12 or 16 year old is aware enough to make herself look older, and has the know-how and the means to make a fake ID, she is obviously aware and intelligent enough (however wrong) of what she plans to do. In the business world that is called FRAUD. And in the business world, the person who commits the fraud is the guilty party, not the person(s) affected.

    The "laws" are bogus. This country has among the highest incarceration rates in the world. The lazy and Section 8 gets off easy, we foot the bill, others who "should" be working get the book thrown at them without regard to the specific situation and/or all of the facts.

    Like I said in my other post, people have too much free time on their hands. Offspring should be raised to understand from the start right-from-wrong, and what the word FRAUD means well before kindergarten age. Do they teach the word FRAUD in kindergarten? If not, why not?

    At 12, certainly 14, definitely by 16, they should have the ability to work, deliver papers, help babysit, cut yards and rake, open lemonade stands, and whatever else will teach them responsibility. Part time as a stock-person, learning the cash register, doing basic wiring jobs, fix a leaky faucet. My grandparents owned a farm, worked it, and had offspring by the time they were in their mid teens. They didn't have time to worry about TicTok, lgbtq, or other manufactured problems of today.

    The oldest profession in the world is fine by me, contract between two consenting persons. But they need to take personal responsibility, not after they turn 18 or 21, but well before that. At this rate, .Gov will raise the age yet again to 25, even 30 if humans live to be 125, just to fund their extorting revolving door.
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  20. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    The oldest profession in the world is fine by me, contract between two consenting persons. But they need to take personal responsibility, not after they turn 18 or 21, but well before that. At this rate, .Gov will raise the age yet again to 25, even 30 if humans live to be 125, just to fund their extorting revolving door.
    Seems to me that Big Daddy Government won't stop until the age is 125. Children don't have rights, and therefore tyrants don't want there to be any adults.
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  21. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    The birth mom is making a decision that most people in this thread have been excusing up until today. Either 14 year olds can make adult decisions or they can't. And TikTok videos aren't pornographic.
    14 year olds used to take care of their aging parents, run the farm or business when the parents couldn't, and legally marry. Now teens are kept babies until they're 18 and then are suddenly expected to be adults. You can thank the public school system for that. And girls usually mature faster than men, looks-wise, so it's not always easy to tell ages. A lot of 14 yr old girls can look very much like an 18 yr old.

    .Gov has no business in marriage or families. The marriage license was originally invented to stop inter-racial marriages (interesting how no lefties ever complain about that! ) & now makes a marriage 3-sided: husband, wife, gov.

    That said, I have no real opinion on this case, except that it sounds way stupid & exactly why the gov should not be part of families.

    Who's right & who's wrong sounds like a mix & the main stupidity in the article is taking away a teen because they now have a cell phone???
    There is no spoon.

  22. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    No I was thinking more in line with a parent having authority to sanction Rita their 14 year old daughter to be sexually involved with the 49 year old homeless guy that sleeps under the bridge.
    well,,that would be between the age of about 3 until 14, and should know better.. or the guy under the bridge is a better choice than home.
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  23. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    This particular case aside:

    If a 12 or 16 year old is aware enough to make herself look older, and has the know-how and the means to make a fake ID, she is obviously aware and intelligent enough (however wrong) of what she plans to do. In the business world that is called FRAUD. And in the business world, the person who commits the fraud is the guilty party, not the person(s) affected.
    In the business world, if a 12 year old claims to be 18, buys a house, once it's found out that the 12 year old isn't really 18 the business doesn't have a valid contract. You may think the law should work that way, but it does. In some cases one party has a greater responsibility to investigate the claims of the other party.

    Here's the key. We don't expect a child to understand the full ramifications of his/her actions just because he or she has the capability to actually do the actions. A toddler is strong enough to pull the trigger on a gun. Doesn't mean he understands what's going on. And even if he understands a little bit, it doesn't mean he fully understands. Recent case I saw where the cops were arresting a dad and his son shot at the cops. I don't remember the age. 4? 6? When they got the gun away from the kid and asked him why, his reply was "I shot at the cops so they would stop arresting him and he would be free to do what he wanted." Ummm...okay. The kid "understood" enough to formulate the idea of pointing a gun at someone doing something he didn't like and pull the trigger. So....lock him up for life for attempted murder? Or in a non statist world just do whatever it is you would to to an adult that did the same thing?

    Bottom line, the ability to do something is not the same as the ability to be truly responsible for doing it. That said, the important thing for ANY set of rules of behavior, whether it's state mandated or voluntary, is that the rules MUST be consistent. If you think an underage girl who makes a fake ID has shown the maturity to be able to make that decision and be responsible for it, then can't she also be responsible for her TikTok videos? And yeah, dad might not like it. But there are two parents in the situation. Dad hasn't accused mom of letting daughter upload pornhub or even having sex.

    The "laws" are bogus. This country has among the highest incarceration rates in the world. The lazy and Section 8 gets off easy, we foot the bill, others who "should" be working get the book thrown at them without regard to the specific situation and/or all of the facts.

    Like I said in my other post, people have too much free time on their hands. Offspring should be raised to understand from the start right-from-wrong, and what the word FRAUD means well before kindergarten age. Do they teach the word FRAUD in kindergarten? If not, why not?

    At 12, certainly 14, definitely by 16, they should have the ability to work, deliver papers, help babysit, cut yards and rake, open lemonade stands, and whatever else will teach them responsibility. Part time as a stock-person, learning the cash register, doing basic wiring jobs, fix a leaky faucet. My grandparents owned a farm, worked it, and had offspring by the time they were in their mid teens. They didn't have time to worry about TicTok, lgbtq, or other manufactured problems of today.
    I agree that child labor laws are bogus. At age 12 I was driving a tractor. I'm PRETTY SURE kids can still work or farms. Paper routes are a thing of the past. (I worked a paper route with my 16 y/o cousin driving when I was 6. My brother and I threw the papers out the window while she was driving and we helped fold them the night before.) And of course TikTok didn't exist back then. It does now. Some kids make money on TikTok and YouTube and it's not always for shaking their butts.

    The oldest profession in the world is fine by me, contract between two consenting persons. But they need to take personal responsibility, not after they turn 18 or 21, but well before that. At this rate, .Gov will raise the age yet again to 25, even 30 if humans live to be 125, just to fund their extorting revolving door.
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  24. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    He said this wrong decision is proof justice isn't guaranteed by a court. You said the fact that a good decision was overturned is proof justice isn't guaranteed by a court. My own life experience is proof justice isn't guaranteed by a court.

    We all agree. And you know it.
    That didn't answer my question about evidence on the father making poor decisions?


    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    We don't have to attempt to retry the whole case (without direct access to the evidence or the ability to cross examine the witnesses) to determine who's right for the right reasons and who's right for the wrong reasons. We all agree, and we're all right. That's good enough for me.
    Could be her attorney is useless.

    The red flag was making it about a cell phone. Obvious lack of context and the article I linked cleared it up as a cell phone used to bypass parental controls. As well as other issues.
    Could have been a corrupt judge bought and paid for or some other reason. Not in this case from what we know so far.

    I get it, you're cynical. Plenty of us are.

  25. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by tebowlives View Post
    It's not just about a cell phone and it's not just about using a phone without parental controls. Disingenuous to say so.
    Like you JUST quoted me saying: That sleezy mother let her 14 year old daughter kiss a 17 year old boy and post videos of herself twerking on TikTok. Take away that mom's parental rights!"

    Not porn. TikTok. Not sex with a grown man. Making out with another teenager and contacting said teenager through a cell phone. No sane person would say that justifies taking away parental rights.
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    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

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  27. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    But answer this ONE question. Do you think, based on the only facts available, that the father, whether you want to acknowledge him as a rapist or not, deserved full custody over a cell phone? .
    Yes,,
    I think that Trying to keep his daughter out of porn is a noble goal.

    next
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  28. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Yes,,
    I think that Trying to keep his daughter out of porn is a noble goal.

    next
    TikTok ain't porn. And you were just saying that 12 year olds can consent to sex and talking about giving guns to minors as well. Mind = blown.

    How about this. If you want to be this great responsible conservative father, don't go around having sex in the bathroom with random strangers? Just a thought.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  29. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    TikTok ain't porn. And you were just saying that 12 year olds can consent to sex and talking about giving guns to minors as well. Mind = blown.

    How about this. If you want to be this great responsible conservative father, don't go around having sex in the bathroom with random strangers? Just a thought.
    Doorway to internet Porn..

    and Yes.. a lot of Tic Tok is Porn.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  30. #116
    I am only speaking from Personal experience when I was younger.
    I lost my virginity at 19,, but had been trying since about 10 or so.

    A nice older Creole Woman had mercy on me.

    Carolyn was 15 when we met, I was 20,moved in together when she was 16.. with parental blessing.
    she was an abandoned street kid in KC before her Adopted folks got her out.
    she told stories , turning tricks at 13.

    She was MY sex education. old History.. and fond memories.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  31. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    14 year olds used to take care of their aging parents, run the farm or business when the parents couldn't, and legally marry. Now teens are kept babies until they're 18 and then are suddenly expected to be adults. You can thank the public school system for that. And girls usually mature faster than men, looks-wise, so it's not always easy to tell ages. A lot of 14 yr old girls can look very much like an 18 yr old.

    .Gov has no business in marriage or families. The marriage license was originally invented to stop inter-racial marriages (interesting how no lefties ever complain about that! ) & now makes a marriage 3-sided: husband, wife, gov.

    That said, I have no real opinion on this case, except that it sounds way stupid & exactly why the gov should not be part of families.

    Who's right & who's wrong sounds like a mix & the main stupidity in the article is taking away a teen because they now have a cell phone???
    At least a few people actually get it! Dad brings gubmint into his family business because his underage daughter is acting in a more tame way then the woman he had drunk sex with when she was 16 and he was an adult. Now, whether people here think this should be the law or not, dad may very well end up a convicted felon. Stupid move on dad's part. No mater what you think of dad or mom. Dad almost got away with it because judge decided not to actually follow "the law." Now civil judge has reserved himself and state prosecutors are looking at dad. That's the legal reality. And yes, I've seen women make stupid moves like this too. Like the mom who threatened to take her ex to court because she disagreed with the exes plan to get their son caught up in math over the summer during his time. Oh, and he was the math genius and she was unable to help the kids with math post the 5th grade. Now that son is struggling in college and she calls the dad to see if he can tutor their son, which he does without telling her "I told you so" because he loves his son. Access to the courts sometimes makes people stupid.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  32. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Doorway to internet Porn..

    and Yes.. a lot of Tic Tok is Porn.
    So your argument is that a 12 year old can consent to sex but not to TikTok? And you don't see an inconsistency to your position? Ummm....okay.

    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    I am only speaking from Personal experience when I was younger.
    I lost my virginity at 19,, but had been trying since about 10 or so.

    A nice older Creole Woman had mercy on me.

    Carolyn was 15 when we met, I was 20,moved in together when she was 16.. with parental blessing.
    she was an abandoned street kid in KC before her Adopted folks got her out.
    she told stories , turning tricks at 13.

    She was MY sex education. old History.. and fond memories.
    And....you're working about TikTok. Okay.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  33. #119
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    So your argument is that a 12 year old can consent to sex but not to TikTok? And you don't see an inconsistency to your position? Ummm....okay.
    Objection. Fact not in evidence. Witness neither stated that a twelve year old should be given permission to have sex, nor that most or all are unable to operate the Tik Tok app.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We believe our lying eyes...

  34. #120
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    At least a few people actually get it! Dad brings gubmint into his family business because his underage daughter is acting in a more tame way then the woman he had drunk sex with when she was 16 and he was an adult. Now, whether people here think this should be the law or not, dad may very well end up a convicted felon. Stupid move on dad's part. No mater what you think of dad or mom. Dad almost got away with it because judge decided not to actually follow "the law." Now civil judge has reserved himself and state prosecutors are looking at dad. That's the legal reality. And yes, I've seen women make stupid moves like this too. Like the mom who threatened to take her ex to court because she disagreed with the exes plan to get their son caught up in math over the summer during his time. Oh, and he was the math genius and she was unable to help the kids with math post the 5th grade. Now that son is struggling in college and she calls the dad to see if he can tutor their son, which he does without telling her "I told you so" because he loves his son. Access to the courts sometimes makes people stupid.
    Sometimes? LOL!
    There is no spoon.



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