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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That was congress, and Trump vetoed the last NDAA to prove it.
    They overrode the veto just as they would have for every other bill people wanted him to veto instead of negotiating.

    Trump reduced the size and scope of government everywhere he could.
    put the crackpipe away. if your hero had any balls or principles or any $#@!ing clue, he'd have used that veto
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  3. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Objectively Trump has moved us closer towards socialism. I think most people would agree that if you had to pick one trait of socialism it's the size of government.

    And it skyrocketed under Trump.

    Obama (in trillions)

    3.4
    3.6
    3.5
    3.4
    3.5
    3.6
    3.8
    3.9

    Trump
    4.1
    4.4
    6.5
    7.2

    It's effing embarrassing

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That was congress, and Trump vetoed the last NDAA to prove it.
    They overrode the veto just as they would have for every other bill people wanted him to veto instead of negotiating.

    Trump reduced the size and scope of government everywhere he could.

    Quote Originally Posted by surf View Post
    put the crackpipe away. if your hero had any balls or principles or any $#@!ing clue, he'd have used that veto

    He was too busy to veto anything because he was behind closed with known eugenist Bill Gates, creating a new Federal Agency (Operation Warp Speed), and staffing it with Gates/Pharmaceutical Executives on the tax payer dime. Something something about Nationalizing Medicine, which “republicans” were always opposed to under demoncrats, until he [DJT-R] came into office.
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  4. #123
    Going to vote against Democrats.

    Because No body could be worse than what we have.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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  5. #124
    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    He was pretty good at neutering the EPA and got us out of the W.H.O., which Biden almost immediately undid as soon as he took office. Gains in some areas, losses in others. Perhaps mildly better than losses in all areas. Really don't see the republicans offering up anything that isn't going to be full blown neocon though.

    Would like to see Rand Paul run again in the primary 2024 but damned if I'm gonna watch another liberty candidate drop-out before the finish line. We either need to be in it to win it or STFU IMO.

    Pretty much everyone has had a good lesson in monetary inflation over the past few years so it might be hip to talk about the Fed again.
    He got us out of the WHO while continuing to fund their favored vaccine makes in the tune of billions. He also got us out of the Paris climate agreement while continuing to push subsidies that promoted green energy, EPA emission standards weren't repelled and the executive order "CO2 endangerment finding" was also left in place.

    Regardless of all of that, had he been able to rein in Dr. Fauci, he would have gotten my vote. But to see that medical tyrant walk all over him and the American people the way he did, made voting for him ever again a big NO. He did a lot of semi good but he didn't do enough to deserve my vote.

    The only mainstream person I will vote for is Ron DeSantis. He is no where close to perfect but he is a step in the right direction

  6. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump vetoes defense bill, setting up showdown with Congress

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/23/trump-ndaa-veto-defense-bill-450286
    Another thread, another bad faith argument in defense of your idol.

    Even in the link that you linked, it describes what Trump had problem with in the bill. Hint: it had nothing to do with military spending (or spending in general), and the thing he threw the biggest fit about (removing Section 230) would've made a bad thing worse.
    The enemy of my enemy may be worse than my enemy.

  7. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Cackling like she's drunk at a bachelorette party at the State of the Union is pretty bad. There is a certain way to behave as an adult. She does not pass the test. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ne/9337266002/

    Believing there is an anonymous insider named Q who is exposing secret pedophile rings is permanently disqualifying. https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...ttesville-was/

    I would vote for every single generic Republican over her. Ideally I would like to see more generic Republicans. Fewer AOCs and MTGs. More serious people who nobody knows about because they are not trying to be online influencers.
    Can you show me the post where she specifically said that she believed in Q? Q put out out a lot of really good information that ended up coming out 1-2 years later about how the Clinton campaign funded Russiagate, etc. Just because she posted something Q related doesn't mean she believed in Q.

    You haven't shown us anything about her actual policies or her time in congress. She has a congressional history, and it is far better than the generic Republicans who vote for all kinds of spending, including war spending. MTG is a non-interventionist, so if you want some generic Republican who is down to murder people on the other side of the globe instead of one who is actually conservative like Thomas Massie, then you are a sick person.

    And as far as conspiracy theories go, The Hill article you posted said that she posted something about Charlottesville being a hoax. Well, it turns out the FBI helped fund the Azov Battalion, thanks to your generic Republican buddies, who then funded and aided Charlottesville. So she was right on that one, it has now been proven.

    https://ncrenegade.com/fbi-funded-uk...tabilize-west/
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  8. #127
    Like her or not, you can't escape the fact that MTG talks about some issues that other Republicans (outside of Massie and maybe a few others) would never be caught talking about to the public while taking the pro-liberty side. If you want to replace people like MTG with Republicans who take the opposite anti-liberty side just because they talk with an "intellectual" demeanor, then I have to wonder what you're trying to accomplish. The worst thing I can think of is that liberty haters will attach her to particular sides, but if nobody is to speak up in the first place there wouldn't even be a debate.

    Name 10 Republican congresscritters who would be caught dead saying the phrase "unconstitutional Patriot Act" for instance.
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  9. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    He didn't veto that bill because it was too expensive. If anything it wasn't expensive enough for him.

    https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/...116hdoc174.pdf

    That was the only bill that he vetoed that was overridden. And that bill was for 2021.

    That means that Trump approved ALL of the spending from 2016-2020. And that resulted in the doubling of the debt.
    He vetoed it for many reasons, one of which was to prove any other vetoes would be overridden.
    He most certainly did not approve of all the spending in it or the other bills.
    By negotiating the others he was able to influence them more than if he just vetoed them.
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  11. #129
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He vetoed it for many reasons, one of which was to prove any other vetoes would be overridden.
    He most certainly did not approve of all the spending in it or the other bills.
    By negotiating the others he was able to influence them more than if he just vetoed them.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer

  12. #130
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He vetoed it for many reasons, one of which was to prove any other vetoes would be overridden.
    Wow what a genious 4D chess power play! He demonstrated his powerlessness.
    He most certainly did not approve of all the spending in it or the other bills.
    Cuz Swordsmyth sed so?
    By negotiating the others he was able to influence them more than if he just vetoed them.
    Influence how, and to do what? Spend more?
    https://www.americanprogress.org/art...efense-budget/
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  13. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He vetoed it for many reasons, one of which was to prove any other vetoes would be overridden.
    He most certainly did not approve of all the spending in it or the other bills.
    By negotiating the others he was able to influence them more than if he just vetoed them.
    Again, he signed every single bill that covered his term and we doubled our spending.

    Now we know why he calls himself "The King of Debt".

  14. #132
    Fiscally Irresponsible for his entire life.

  15. #133
    Quote Originally Posted by vita3 View Post
    Fiscally Irresponsible for his entire life.
    And he screwed us hard. These trolls want us to believe this is all Bidenflation because it didn't ramp up until around that New Year's. But these things are generally named for the originators. It's Trumpflation.
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  16. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    And he screwed us hard. These trolls want us to believe this is all Bidenflation because it didn't ramp up until around that New Year's. But these things are generally named for the originators. It's Trumpflation.
    I personally prefer Fedflation but Trump was behind pushing the Fed so...
    The enemy of my enemy may be worse than my enemy.

  17. #135
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    And he screwed us hard. These trolls want us to believe this is all Bidenflation because it didn't ramp up until around that New Year's. But these things are generally named for the originators. It's Trumpflation.
    Ron Paul and others have been preaching about out of control spending for many years. There are many including Trump to take the blame.

  18. #136
    One thing I have noticed with the Biden administration is they really curbed the division and hate. Biden and Company has United the States once again. Trump was so divisive and now the USA is at peace. Way to go Brandon. We can't deal with 4 more years of Trump. He will tear this country apart. We need Diversity!!! Yea for Diversity!



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  20. #137
    I would absolutely vote for Trump a 3rd time.

    He pisses off all the right people. Can't be worse lol.

  21. #138
    Coming here of all places and seeing that as a topic headline is most depressing. As if there are no other possibilities as large as the Ron Paul Revolution movement was.

    I know Rand's campaign went in the wrong direction at the wrong time in 2016, effectively giving his opportunity to Trump but live and learn. Rand is still a far better choice than Trump for 2024.

    Trump will not win the general with half of Republican's pissed off at the way he governed, without independents and no Democrats. It would be foolish to support Trump at this point.
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  22. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Coming here of all places and seeing that as a topic headline is most depressing. As if there are no other possibilities as large as the Ron Paul Revolution movement was.

    I know Rand's campaign went in the wrong direction at the wrong time in 2016, effectively giving his opportunity to Trump but live and learn. Rand is still a far better choice than Trump for 2024.

    Trump will not win the general with half of Republican's pissed off at the way he governed, without independents and no Democrats. It would be foolish to support Trump at this point.
    I would vote for just about anyone not named Trump. The man was a terrible president. Seeing how he let little ol chancellor Fauci walk all over him makes it virtually impossible for me to vote for him.

    My mainstream candidate is Ron DeSantis at this moment, he not only annoyed the socialists with words like Trump, he also does that with actions unlike Trump.

  23. #140
    Hands Down Thomas Massie would be greatest POTUS of all time.

  24. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Coming here of all places and seeing that as a topic headline is most depressing. As if there are no other possibilities as large as the Ron Paul Revolution movement was.

    I know Rand's campaign went in the wrong direction at the wrong time in 2016, effectively giving his opportunity to Trump but live and learn. Rand is still a far better choice than Trump for 2024.

    Trump will not win the general with half of Republican's pissed off at the way he governed, without independents and no Democrats. It would be foolish to support Trump at this point.
    Reading is fundamental...I posted this thread for the lulz:

    If only to do nothing more than poke $#@!s like this in the eye.
    That said, almost all the polling I've seen for the past six months or so has Trump over Biden by four to six points in 2024.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...iden-7383.html
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  25. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Coming here of all places and seeing that as a topic headline is most depressing. As if there are no other possibilities as large as the Ron Paul Revolution movement was.

    I know Rand's campaign went in the wrong direction at the wrong time in 2016, effectively giving his opportunity to Trump but live and learn. Rand is still a far better choice than Trump for 2024.

    Trump will not win the general with half of Republican's pissed off at the way he governed, without independents and no Democrats. It would be foolish to support Trump at this point.
    It doesn't matter who we support. These things are all provided for us without our consent because we are a small minority.
    "For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy ... Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed." - J.F.K.

  26. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Reading is fundamental...I posted this thread for the lulz:

    That said, almost all the polling I've seen for the past six months or so has Trump over Biden by four to six points in 2024.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...iden-7383.html
    Yeah, my bad memory of weeks ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    It doesn't matter who we support. These things are all provided for us without our consent because we are a small minority.
    While true, in my opinion they not should be given any support at all even if it is like @anti-Federalist said to just to poke $#@!s in the eye. Many did that already in 2016, that was enough.
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  27. #144
    Remember when Grover Cleveland got a second term in office and everybody thought he would reverse all the damage caused by Benjamin Harrison but all that happened was that the country got worse? That's pretty much what I expect from a potential second term of Trump.
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  29. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Coming here of all places and seeing that as a topic headline is most depressing. As if there are no other possibilities as large as the Ron Paul Revolution movement was.

    I know Rand's campaign went in the wrong direction at the wrong time in 2016, effectively giving his opportunity to Trump but live and learn. Rand is still a far better choice than Trump for 2024.

    Trump will not win the general with half of Republican's pissed off at the way he governed, without independents and no Democrats. It would be foolish to support Trump at this point.
    LOL

    Boy are you out of touch.
    Trump won in a landslide in 2020 and is only getting more popular. (don't even bother denying the fraud)
    There is nobody else any better who has a chance to win, anyone you prefer will be cheated just as hard as 2020 and they won't be able to generate a landslide sufficient to overcome it even if they would win without the cheating.
    We will have other options only if they spend years building the mass popularity Trump has built and none of them even have as much as Ron had.
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  30. #146
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    There is nobody else any better who has a chance to win, anyone you prefer will be cheated just as hard as 2020 and they won't be able to generate a landslide sufficient to overcome it even if they would win without the cheating.
    Is there someone who would try? Is there someone who would do something besides say, not my turn any more, but if you send me money I'll have this drunken New York cross dresser pretend to investigate?
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  31. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL

    Boy are you out of touch.
    Trump won in a landslide in 2020 and is only getting more popular. (don't even bother denying the fraud)
    There is nobody else any better who has a chance to win, anyone you prefer will be cheated just as hard as 2020 and they won't be able to generate a landslide sufficient to overcome it even if they would win without the cheating.
    We will have other options only if they spend years building the mass popularity Trump has built and none of them even have as much as Ron had.
    Your post reminds me of the Lindell commercial complaining about cancel culture ruining his business while at the same time he was doing podcasts saying how sales revenue is better than ever. The same goes for voter fraud, you brought into a meme the campaign created well in advance of the election with fervent supporters doing their best to bring the meme into mainstream. Of course there were irregularities but there are always irregularities and it goes both ways.

    His entire deal is about deception but we had 4 years to see it was all talk and lies. It was a close election in 2020 despite irregularities. Trump cannot win when a significant number of his former voters are claiming they will not ever vote for him again and sit home if necessary.

    These are the people that had their lives and businesses destroyed during the lockdowns. Meanwhile he was taking credit for the elites Dow 30 doing well while the majority of the country was suffering was not a winning strategy. The largest consolidation of small/medium business folding into the elites mega corporations in history of the country your boy accomplished. I am only scratching the surface and have not even talked about the obvious, vaccine and Operation Warp Speed.

    Not standing up to the Dems and pretending to be an outsider on Twitter rather than the actual President was not a winning strategy. 4 years of that divisive carnival barker was enough. Time to get back to uniting the country with real solutions and leadership. Leave gaming one up of the looney left to the Comedians and pundits, rather than the leader of the country.
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  32. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by Jingles View Post
    I would absolutely vote for Trump a 3rd time.

    He pisses off all the right people. Can't be worse lol.
    Quote Originally Posted by John-G
    My mainstream candidate is Ron DeSantis at this moment, he not only annoyed the socialists with words like Trump, he also does that with actions unlike Trump.

    Yes, yes, because that's exactly what the Founders envisioned the office of President to be. Chief Divider and Pisser-Offer was surely what Jefferson and Washington, et al had in mind.


    (spinning in their graves....do you people hear yourselves? no wonder this country is circling the drain jeez)
    Last edited by devil21; 08-07-2022 at 01:40 PM.
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  33. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Your post reminds me of the Lindell commercial complaining about cancel culture ruining his business while at the same time he was doing podcasts saying how sales revenue is better than ever. The same goes for voter fraud, you brought into a meme the campaign created well in advance of the election with fervent supporters doing their best to bring the meme into mainstream. Of course there were irregularities but there are always irregularities and it goes both ways.

    His entire deal is about deception but we had 4 years to see it was all talk and lies. It was a close election in 2020 despite irregularities. Trump cannot win when a significant number of his former voters are claiming they will not ever vote for him again and sit home if necessary.

    These are the people that had their lives and businesses destroyed during the lockdowns. Meanwhile he was taking credit for the elites Dow 30 doing well while the majority of the country was suffering was not a winning strategy. The largest consolidation of small/medium business folding into the elites mega corporations in history of the country your boy accomplished. I am only scratching the surface and have not even talked about the obvious, vaccine and Operation Warp Speed.

    Not standing up to the Dems and pretending to be an outsider on Twitter rather than the actual President was not a winning strategy. 4 years of that divisive carnival barker was enough. Time to get back to uniting the country with real solutions and leadership. Leave gaming one up of the looney left to the Comedians and pundits, rather than the leader of the country.
    The fraud was massive, titanic even.
    Anyone who claims it was business as usual is an enemy of truth and liberty.
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  34. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Yes, yes, because that's exactly what the Founders envisioned the office of President to be. Chief Divider and Pisser-Offer was surely what Jefferson and Washington, et al had in mind.


    (spinning in their graves....do you people hear yourselves? no wonder this country is circling the drain jeez)
    The country has been pumped full of interlopers who are bent on destroying all the founders created.
    It's long past time to divide them out of the herd and out of the country.
    Anyone who wants to compromise with them can go too.
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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